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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / March 2008"Safari" menu becomes useless
After Safari 2.0.4 has been running for a while (a few days maybe) on my 10.4.9 G4 system, all the items in the "Safari" menu quit working. The menu looks the same as usual -- nothing is grayed out -- but if I click on any items in it, nothing happens. If I type a shortcut that activates one of those functions or right- click on Safari in the dock and click on a function there, it works. When I restart Safari, the "Safari" menu items go back to working normally for some length of time for a day or two. I have PithHelmet 2.6.7 installed. I tried removing ~/Library/com.apple.Safari.plist to no avail. Anyone else seen this problem? I've had it for a long time. Martin In article <mytzjgbowc.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>, Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote: > After Safari 2.0.4 has been running for a while (a few days maybe) on > my 10.4.9 G4 system, all the items in the "Safari" menu quit working. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When I restart Safari, the "Safari" menu items go back to working > normally for some length of time for a day or two. As a practical measure, this is surely not too burdensome then? > I have PithHelmet 2.6.7 installed. > > I tried removing ~/Library/com.apple.Safari.plist to no avail. > > Anyone else seen this problem? I've had it for a long time.  Signaturedorayme In <doraymeRidThis-0D1470.14160509032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, dorayme...: > Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu > <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote: >> When I restart Safari, the "Safari" menu items go back to working >> normally for some length of time for a day or two. > As a practical measure, this is surely not too burdensome then? Individuals will differ on this. I find that kind of thinking unacceptable. Soon we'll all be happy to accept blue screens of death every few days as "not too burdensome". Unfortunately, I have no insight to offer for the OPs problem. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803082130590.3552@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > > Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu > > <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Individuals will differ on this. I find that kind of thinking > unacceptable. Oh you do, do you Jeffrey? Will you never accept an imperfect world? Will you have no inner peace? I have come to accept the blackness. I am preparing for the hell that awaits me on the other side. > Soon we'll all be happy to accept blue screens of death > every few days as "not too burdensome". Seriously, Jeffrey, this is too long a bow to pull. If you owned a rusty creaking, held by string, run on the smell of an oil-rag car like my Ford, you would quickly take a different attitude. You would realise that slippery slope arguments are often overwrought ones. You would become Practical Being. <g> > Unfortunately, I have no insight to offer for the OPs problem. is there not something about memory leaks in these things? Signaturedorayme In <doraymeRidThis-ED9A03.15170109032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, dorayme...: >> Individuals will differ on this. I find that kind of thinking >> unacceptable. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > blackness. I am preparing for the hell that awaits me on the > other side. I should have worded my comment more clearly. Of course I accept some bugs. I use Mail.app after all, which I have to restart about once a week because it gets itself into a state. So as with most things, it is a matter of degree. I would consider having to restart Safari once every two days "unacceptable". >> Soon we'll all be happy to accept blue screens of death >> every few days as "not too burdensome". > Seriously, Jeffrey, this is too long a bow to pull. If you owned > a rusty creaking, held by string, run on the smell of an oil-rag > car like my Ford, you would quickly take a different attitude. > You would realise that slippery slope arguments are often > overwrought ones. You would become Practical Being. You are entirely correct. These things are matters of degrees. There is some creakiness that I am perfectly ready to put up with. There is some that I might even find charming. I try not to let some ideal or ideology interfere with the pragmatics of living in the real world. (By the way, could you remind us of how you feel about non-compliant HTML?) But for a major and central app like Safari from Apple, having to restart it once every two days to clear a bug does count as "unacceptable". Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803090941490.3552@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > So as with most things, it is a matter of degree. I would consider having > to restart Safari once every two days "unacceptable". [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But for a major and central app like Safari from Apple, having to restart > it once every two days to clear a bug does count as "unacceptable". Well, I am very surprised at this! If OP was experiencing *other* problems too and there was some chance that there was some common cause with the Safari trouble, yes, track it down. But why in the name of blue heaven would yo find quitting and restarting an app so burdomesome? You know, I still have the now more useless habit of quitting apps I am not using much - from my days on OS 9, where doing so helped manage memory and stuff. OS X is truly a wonder of the world in how it does not get sapped by open but not used apps (though I have stories to tell about some qualms about this). About non-compliant HTML. There is non-compliant and there is non-compliant. For some purposes, it does not matter much as long as a page's intentions are simple enough. You can be pretty sloppy if you fall within a "zone of error correction" where just about every server and browser will deliver the results you want. Look, I am not really saying OP should not, out of interest, track things down. You earthlings are hunters by nature. But if it is just the lone OP and not something every other person experiences, so what? I bet there are about 7 people on this earth who open Safari and want to keep it going for days and weeks on end. If a lot more people did this, I have no doubt that issues would surface. Signaturedorayme > > When I restart Safari, the "Safari" menu items go back to working > > normally for some length of time for a day or two. > > As a practical measure, this is surely not too burdensome then? You're not seriously suggesting that he shouldn't try to solve the problem since the workaround isn't difficult, are you? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude In article <1idj6uc.tyli5zfxcmb3N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > > > When I restart Safari, the "Safari" menu items go back to working > > > normally for some length of time for a day or two. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You're not seriously suggesting that he shouldn't try to solve the > problem since the workaround isn't difficult, are you? If it takes a day or two to show up, yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. By the time this easy little regime has run its little course, (restart Safari when you get up in the morning), there will be a new version and all of it will be history. Yes, I am saying this. Yes. I now launch officially my bold theory of not being too anal about things, not tracking down every goddam thing in life. It is called Relax Theory. (I know, you and perhaps Jeffrey regard this as a heretical notion better called Comatose Theory) <g> Signaturedorayme > > You're not seriously suggesting that he shouldn't try to solve the > > problem since the workaround isn't difficult, are you? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > there will be a new version and all of it will be history. Yes, I > am saying this. Yes. I just wanted to make sure I understood. The thing is, he's already doing what he's already doing, and he posted, I'm guessing, because he doesn't want to continue doing what he's already doing. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude In article <1idjqkh.c3cvww1oso6djN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > > > You're not seriously suggesting that he shouldn't try to solve the > > > problem since the workaround isn't difficult, are you? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > doing what he's already doing, and he posted, I'm guessing, because he > doesn't want to continue doing what he's already doing. People get all thingy about things. I do too. It is the hunter in us, if we are not tracking roos and deer, we track glitches. <g> Signaturedorayme In <doraymeRidThis-95F49A.09240010032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, dorayme...: > People get all thingy about things. I do too. It is the hunter in > us, if we are not tracking roos and deer, we track glitches. <g> The hunter might go after roos, deer and kangas. But the gatherer goes after roots and berries. I'm not really sure where bugs fit in. Anyway, it really is about expectations. I expect better of Safari (though not an outdated version on a system that hasn't been properly updated). And I think that lowering our expectations about some things (including Safari) to the degree that you suggest would be a bad thing. But as I said in my first post in this thread. It is an issue on which people will differ. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803091951560.3552@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > > People get all thingy about things. I do too. It is the hunter in > > us, if we are not tracking roos and deer, we track glitches. <g> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -j I don't think you are unreasonable, you have standards. But yes, I do differ rather on this. I felt a twinge of pain when you said about an outdated version on a system that hasn't been properly updated. <g> I have properly *not* updated to 4.11 for some time. I am have been in the middle of heaps of work lately and I don't update when all is so well in such circumstances. I suppose I am a bit cowardly, I could trust a backup ... but what if I am not happy after week or a month and then there are all the updates to various jobs I need to stick into the former version copy ... and it goes on. See what I mean? When people get tired of hiring me or fed up of my bills, I will have a quiet period. This Safari 3 better be good after all this hype! Safari 2 is just so perfect, I dunno what drives you modern young things... btw, a roo is a kangaroo, I don't know what a kanga is idf it is not a kanga. Oh yeah, I forget about my friend, Googly Woogly... just a mo... "is a rectangle of pure cotton cloth with a border all around it, printed in bold designs and bright colours" er... better go... Signaturedorayme In <doraymeRidThis-76B560.12105410032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, dorayme...: > btw, a roo is a kangaroo, Ah. I thought it was a typo. > I don't know what a kanga is idf it is You must catch up with your classical literature. I suppose you don't know what a tigger is either. If you must Google, use the singular for roo, kanga and tigger together. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803092201040.3552@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > > btw, a roo is a kangaroo, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You must catch up with your classical literature. I suppose you don't > know what a tigger is either. Oh I see! And there was I thinking you were an isolated Texan! Good one! <g> Signaturedorayme In <doraymeRidThis-B223C5.14595110032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, dorayme...: > Oh I see! And there was I thinking you were an isolated Texan! Well, it is hard to get English literature here, but occasionally we can hold-up a train bound for California that might be carrying books. This way we might be able to fill up the bookcase in our one room school house. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > In article > <1idj6uc.tyli5zfxcmb3N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If it takes a day or two to show up, yes, that is exactly what I > am suggesting. I asked the question because (a) I was curious if others have had this problem in Tiger and perhaps found a solution and (b) it annoys me to have to restart Safari when I have lots of info stored in its various tabs. The reason the problem hasn't annoyed me too much is that there are only a couple of items in the "Safari" menu that I can't get to from elsewhere when the menu has gone dead, like, ironically, "About Safari", which I used to provide the Safari version in my original post (so I had to restart Safari to make that post). > Yes, I am saying this. Yes. Indeed, and I asked the question if anyone else had seen this problem, which I've had for a year or two. Doesn't appear that anyone else has ever had this problem, as least not among the readers here. Yeah, the problem is so annoying that it took me a year or more to get around to asking about it. (;-) I'll ask a more general question. Has anyone seen any other application's main menu go dead like this when the rest of the app and all the other menus continue to work fine? Martin P.S. I'll probably upgrade to 10.4.11 sooner or later. My guess is that this problem will remain, even with Safari 3.x. So I thought I'd ask my question. Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote: > P.S. I'll probably upgrade to 10.4.11 sooner or later. My guess is > that this problem will remain, even with Safari 3.x. So I thought I'd > ask my question. Safari 3.x has a Reopen All Windows From Last Session command under the History menu, so at least you'd be able to get everything back easily. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > After Safari 2.0.4 has been running for a while (a few days maybe) on > my 10.4.9 G4 system, all the items in the "Safari" menu quit working. I'm using Safari 3.0.4. In the Safari menu, the second item is "Report bugs to Apple.... " Have you tried that (assuming it's there in 2.x)? > > After Safari 2.0.4 has been running for a while (a few days maybe) on > > my 10.4.9 G4 system, all the items in the "Safari" menu quit working. > > I'm using Safari 3.0.4. In the Safari menu, the second item is "Report > bugs to Apple.... " Have you tried that (assuming it's there in 2.x)? What good would that do? I doubt Apple is going to be releasing any new Safari 2.x versions. Why is he still running 10.4.9 and Safari 2.x, rather than 10.4.11 and Safari 3.0.4? SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > Why is he still running 10.4.9 and Safari 2.x, rather than 10.4.11 and > Safari 3.0.4? I overlooked that. All of my previous comments in this thread should include advice to update. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote: > After Safari 2.0.4 has been running for a while (a few days maybe) on > my 10.4.9 G4 system, all the items in the "Safari" menu quit working. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I have PithHelmet 2.6.7 installed. I'd suggest first updating your OS to 10.4.11, which will also upgrade Safari to 3.0.4, and PithHelmet to 2.8. If the problem persists, I'd try using the Reset Safari... command from the Safari menu, which, in Safari 3.x, allows you to then pick and choose which items you want to reset, allowing you to preserve anything you don't want to lose. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude I've had something similar happen with Firefox (for OS X) a few times. Everything appears to be working, except the display doesn't change. I think that when I click on a tab, it actually goes to that tab - but without the display updating, I can't see it. |
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