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JayDee - 28 Feb 2008 09:49 GMT
If I open three or four emails in Entourage, they all appear as
separate icons in the dock. On Windows XP, multiple emails would
appear as one icon on the toolbar with a number indicating how many
emails are open and if the user clicks on that icon, it expands to
show all of the open emails - sort of like what happens when you put
the applications folder on the doc. Is there any way to group all of
the open emails into one icon on the dock that can be explored when it
is clicked on?

Thanks!!

- JayDee
Jolly Roger - 28 Feb 2008 10:11 GMT
In article
<be604462-c649-4dce-a315-f00dda3eb2b4@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

> If I open three or four emails in Entourage, they all appear as
> separate icons in the dock. On Windows XP, multiple emails would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the open emails into one icon on the dock that can be explored when it
> is clicked on?

Nope. The Dock is limited in that respect. Personally, I've never liked
the Dock much. It's an abomination from the NeXT operating system I wish
Apple would just have left behind.

Some suggestions:

Learn to use Expose - it's pretty handy:

<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304786>

Try pressing the Tab key while Expose is active - I use that a lot!

Also, if you don't know already, you would do well to learn the keyboard
shortcuts for switching between applications (Command-Tab) and switching
between windows in any application (Command-`).

In general, you'll find you have a much easier time if you learn new
"Mac ways" of doing things rather than trying to force Mac OS X to
behave like Windows.

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JayDee - 28 Feb 2008 17:26 GMT
> In article
> <be604462-c649-4dce-a315-f00dda3eb...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> JR

unfortunately, command-` does not work if the windows are minimized in
the doc, which is how I keep them if I've got lots of emails open.

Believe you me - I don't want my mac to turn into a pc! But I'm sure
everyone here would agree if we could have all open emails appear in
one entry on the dock that expands out when we click on it to see all
the open messages, it would be much better than having an icon for
every open message separately on the doc. I was hoping someone out
there may have built a tool that accomplishes this...

- JayDee
Jolly Roger - 28 Feb 2008 17:41 GMT
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<caf1a508-334c-40f9-87d8-478371479700@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

> unfortunately, command-` does not work if the windows are minimized in
> the doc, which is how I keep them if I've got lots of emails open.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> every open message separately on the doc. I was hoping someone out
> there may have built a tool that accomplishes this...

The Entourage "Window" menu lists all open windows on one single menu
the way you describe.

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JayDee - 01 Mar 2008 02:20 GMT
> In article
> <caf1a508-334c-40f9-87d8-478371479...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> JR

I understand the window menu but as I was saying before, I'm talking
about the mess that is made on the dock when you have 10 or 11 emails
open at the same time. It would make much more sense to have one icon
on the toolbar that opens like the way it does when you put a folder -
and when it opened, you'd see the title of all the emails. That's the
logical way to do it... and since I love my mac and defintely side
with it over windows, I wish they'd fix this.

- JayDee
Diane Ross - 01 Mar 2008 03:14 GMT
On 2/29/08 6:20 PM, in article
c44fce95-899b-41ab-8719-c4481bf177ef@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "JayDee"
<dopamine@mail.com> wrote:

> I understand the window menu but as I was saying before, I'm talking
> about the mess that is made on the dock when you have 10 or 11 emails
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> logical way to do it... and since I love my mac and defintely side
> with it over windows, I wish they'd fix this.

I have never seen an icon in the dock for any open Entourage message. I
wouldn't even begin to know where to set something like this. Is this an
Exchange thing? I'm really confused.

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Jolly Roger - 01 Mar 2008 06:57 GMT
> On 2/29/08 6:20 PM, in article
> c44fce95-899b-41ab-8719-c4481bf177ef@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "JayDee"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> wouldn't even begin to know where to set something like this. Is this an
> Exchange thing? I'm really confused.

When you *minimize* an open message window (for messages displayed in
windows rather than the preview pane), the Dock displays an icon for
that window.

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Diane Ross - 01 Mar 2008 08:01 GMT
On 2/29/08 10:57 PM, in article
jollyroger-B2570B.00573701032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2/29/08 6:20 PM, in article
>> c44fce95-899b-41ab-8719-c4481bf177ef@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "JayDee"
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> windows rather than the preview pane), the Dock displays an icon for
> that window.

Gotcha. I don't see that in 10.5.2 with Office 2008.

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Jolly Roger - 01 Mar 2008 16:15 GMT
> On 2/29/08 10:57 PM, in article
> jollyroger-B2570B.00573701032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Gotcha. I don't see that in 10.5.2 with Office 2008.

You don't? So what happens when you minimize an Office 2008 email
message window in Mac OS X 10.5 then??

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Diane Ross - 01 Mar 2008 22:21 GMT
On 3/1/08 8:15 AM, in article
jollyroger-DCB7C6.10154001032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2/29/08 10:57 PM, in article
>> jollyroger-B2570B.00573701032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> You don't? So what happens when you minimize an Office 2008 email
> message window in Mac OS X 10.5 then??

I was thinking that the green button was called minimize since it makes the
window small/larger. If that showed in the dock, that would be a big
problem. Yes, the yellow button action still shows for each window in the
dock, but that's typical Dock behavior. The new "to do options in Entourage
2008 might be a better alternative. Another option is to assign a category
to messages waiting for action and create a custom view to show these.

I would like to see a "Recent Items" function added to Entourage and a
"Back" button as well. If anyone would like to see this added to Entourage,
please send Feedback so we can get it added.

When working in Office, you can use the ³Send Feedback² option under the
Help menu in all of the Office applications to contact MacBU.

Or...    Visit the Mactopia Product Feedback link here:
<http://www.microsoft.com/mac/suggestions.mspx>

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Jolly Roger - 02 Mar 2008 08:37 GMT
> I was thinking that the green button was called minimize since it makes the
> window small/larger.

Ah I see.  For future reference, that's called the "zoom" button.  ; )

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Diane Ross - 02 Mar 2008 10:02 GMT
On 3/2/08 12:37 AM, in article
jollyroger-E898FE.02374602032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> I was thinking that the green button was called minimize since it makes the
>> window small/larger.
>
> Ah I see.  For future reference, that's called the "zoom" button.  ; )

Logical thinking doesn't always lead me to the correct answer. To me they
are the red, yellow and green buttons.

It cold be the late hour too, along with old age. :-)

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Jolly Roger - 02 Mar 2008 15:43 GMT
> On 3/2/08 12:37 AM, in article
> jollyroger-E898FE.02374602032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net, "Jolly
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Logical thinking doesn't always lead me to the correct answer. To me they
> are the red, yellow and green buttons.

Those of us who were Mac users before Mac OS X came along know that
there were three buttons in classic versions of Mac OS. From left to
right, they were: close, zoom, and windowshade - as shown here:

<http://lowendmac.com/thomas/tt07/art0803/classic.gif>

Pressing the zoom button alternated the window size between "minimal"
and "maximum best view" sizes.

Pressing the windowshade button collapsed the window to just the title
bar (the closest thing we had to minimize since there was no Dock).

In Mac OS X Apple just moved the buttons all to the left side of the
title bar and changed their appearance.  ; )

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Jolly Roger - 01 Mar 2008 06:56 GMT
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> > In article
> > <caf1a508-334c-40f9-87d8-478371479...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> logical way to do it... and since I love my mac and defintely side
> with it over windows, I wish they'd fix this.

Yep.  I'm in total agreeent with you. Unfortunately, it seems fixing the
many problems with the Dock (and there are tons) isn't one of Apple's
highest priorities.

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Howard Brazee - 28 Feb 2008 17:52 GMT
>In general, you'll find you have a much easier time if you learn new
>"Mac ways" of doing things rather than trying to force Mac OS X to
>behave like Windows.

In general, whatever computer you use it's useful to use default ways
if you don't have a strong reason not to.   This goes to using 3270
terminals on mainframes - if we re-configure our system it makes it
harder for others to use our system and harder for us to use other
systems.

I still do not automatically switch (without slowing down to think)
between CTL and Command when I switch between Windows and Apple
keyboards for common commands such as cut and paste.    I also don't
left-mouse drag items with confidence whether I am moving or copying
or merging with multiple OS use.  (Right clicking and getting the
menus helps).
 
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