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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / February 2008Suggestion to replace MT-NewsWatcher?
Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor quirks that I can tolerate. The one thing that is driving me crazy is that the application freezes when I respond to a post. The problem is with MT-NewsWatcher because a forced quit always seems to leave the system in good shape. Am I doing something terribly wrong? What suggestions do you have for a better USEBET reader? Bill > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bill I use Apple Mail as my email client and Thunderbird as my news reader. It has the exact features I like and have 0 issues with it......and it's free as well. Just a suggestion. You might give it a look.  SignatureDudley Henriques > The one thing that is driving me crazy is that the application freezes > when I respond to a post. The problem is with MT-NewsWatcher because a > forced quit always seems to leave the system in good shape. Erm... You might THINK it is MTNW that is the problem, but really, if it did that I would have noticed. A lot of people would have noticed. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > Erm... You might THINK it is MTNW that is the problem, but really, if it > did that I would have noticed. A lot of people would have noticed. You're runnings version 3.5.3b2, he's running 3.5.2. I don't know if that contributes to the difference, but he could easily find out. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Am I doing something terribly wrong? What suggestions do you have for a > better USEBET reader? I'm having problems with MTNW 3.5.3b2 in 10.5.2 as well. It crashes while it's quitting at random times. It says "Cleaning up" and then shuts down before it's finished and brings up the system message about shutting down unexpectedly. I push the "ignore" button, and it seems to be okay. It doesn't happen every time. Sometimes MTNW crashes when I try to send an article which is annoying if I've spent some time composing some elegant and thoughtful prose for y'all to read. Well, that's not very often, I guess. My update to 10.5.2 more-or-less coincided with my using a new NNTP server that uses a "secure connection," I don't know if the two things are related to these MTNW problems. I don't want to use anything else, though, except maybe Gnus. SignatureW. Oates > I'm having problems with MTNW 3.5.3b2 in 10.5.2 as well. It crashes > while it's quitting at random times. It says "Cleaning up" and then > shuts down before it's finished and brings up the system message about > shutting down unexpectedly. I push the "ignore" button, and it seems to > be okay. It doesn't happen every time. What I have done, is to copy the text of the message to the clipboard. Then, if I get a crash, I have the text available for a repost. Sometimes, the post is made before the crash (freeze). Nevertheless, it is most annoying. Bill > > I'm having problems with MTNW 3.5.3b2 in 10.5.2 as well. It crashes > > while it's quitting at random times. It says "Cleaning up" and then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sometimes, the post is made before the crash (freeze). Nevertheless, it > is most annoying. Interesting. I've not had MTNW crash at all. Not even once. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > > I'm having problems with MTNW 3.5.3b2 in 10.5.2 as well. It crashes > > > while it's quitting at random times. It says "Cleaning up" and then [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Interesting. I've not had MTNW crash at all. Not even once. Same here. Rock solid, and no delays either. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. If you must contact me through e-mail, let me know when you send email to this address so that your email doesn't get eaten by my SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-0109F2.17410822022008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Same here. Rock solid, and no delays either. It always was for me too, until quite recently. The changes in my cages seem to be 10.5.2 (on a Mac Pro) and connecting to an nntp server with ssh. I won't downgrade the OS of course, and this server requires ssh to post. I do the same thing the OP does: when I'm composing a longish post, I copy it to the clipboard once in a while, and before I hit the "post" button, so's not to lose it all if MTNW crashes. I hate having to be that paranoid. SignatureW. Oates > It always was for me too, until quite recently. The changes in my cages > seem to be 10.5.2 (on a Mac Pro) and connecting to an nntp server with > ssh. I won't downgrade the OS of course, and this server requires ssh to > post. Same OS, Same hardware, same MTNW. Maybe it's the SSH that's the issue? (My server requires login, but not ssh) SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >> It always was for me too, until quite recently. The changes in my cages >> seem to be 10.5.2 (on a Mac Pro) and connecting to an nntp server with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (My server requires login, but not ssh) Has anyone mentioned PAN from the wonderful world of Unix/Linux pan.rebelbase.com? Very full featured, configurable, stable, high-performance...and as F/OSS it's free. Frank Signature"Life isn't a spectator sport" - Jackie Robinson > Has anyone mentioned PAN from the wonderful world of Unix/Linux Which OS did you download it for? Did it run right off the bat? Or did you download the source and compile it? Mac users want to know. >> Has anyone mentioned PAN from the wonderful world of Unix/Linux > > Which OS did you download it for? Did it run right off the bat? Or did > you download the source and compile it? Mac users want to know. Hi Phil, With its pure heart of gold, that is to say Unix, there are so many excellent apps that can be run in OS X - The GIMP, Ardour2, Audacity, LyX, Scribus, Inkscape, OpenOffice.org/NeoOffice (native), AbiWord and countless more. Two download and install systems have large application repositories and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package right on your Mac: Fink and Darwin Ports. I use the latter, and this page both shows you how little is involved in taking advantage of this as well as pan2 itself: http://pan2.darwinports.com/ Have fun! Frank Signature"Life isn't a spectator sport" - Jackie Robinson > Two download and install systems have large application repositories > and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://pan2.darwinports.com/ I thought that Darwinports has been succeeded by Macports (which is what I use). Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> Two download and install systems have large application repositories >> and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I thought that Darwinports has been succeeded by Macports (which is what > I use). It is also available in Porticus. Signature++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse or protection. >> I thought that Darwinports has been succeeded by Macports (which is what I >> use). > It is also available in Porticus. Porticus is an Cocoa GUI front end for macports. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >>> I thought that Darwinports has been succeeded by Macports (which is >>> what I use). > >> It is also available in Porticus. > > Porticus is an Cocoa GUI front end for macports. The OP about Pan and others may want to choose between the two versions/approaches to downloading and installing, as I did. Signature++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse or protection. >> Porticus is an Cocoa GUI front end for macports. > > The OP about Pan and others may want to choose between the two > versions/approaches to downloading and installing, as I did. Fair enough. Porticus is a good suggestion in that case. To make things clear anything available through macports will be available through Porticus. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ I switched to Version 3.5.3b2. That appears to be working well for me. Bill >>> Porticus is an Cocoa GUI front end for macports. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things clear anything available through macports will be available > through Porticus. Thanks for making the link between the two clear. I remembered facing a choice after the demise of Fink Commander, but not what choice. I forgot about the link. Signature++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse or protection. >> Two download and install systems have large application repositories >> and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -j Jeff - I thought Macports was a commercial graphical interface to free Darwin Ports. Frank Signature"Life isn't a spectator sport" - Jackie Robinson > Jeff - I thought Macports was a commercial graphical interface to > free Darwin Ports. Frank See http://www.macports.org/ -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> Jeff - I thought Macports was a commercial graphical interface to >> free Darwin Ports. Frank > > See > > http://www.macports.org/ Thanks Jeff, I just looked at that page, but am still unclear on the differences and relationships between Darwin Ports and Mac Ports. One better than the other? Frank Signature"Life isn't a spectator sport" - Jackie Robinson > Two download and install systems have large application repositories > and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://pan2.darwinports.com/ Or you can just download the source from <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/SOURCE/>, unpack the archive, and compile it yourself with a the standard: ./configure make sudo make install Use the Sourceâ„¢ ; ) SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. If you must contact me through e-mail, let me know when you send email to this address so that your email doesn't get eaten by my SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-BA91A9.21575424022008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, > > Two download and install systems have large application repositories > > and will take care of any dependencies while building the program package [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Use the Sourceâ„¢ ; ) I get a 77 exit code.... :-( In article <jollyroger-0109F2.17410822022008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > > I'm having problems with MTNW 3.5.3b2 in 10.5.2 as well. It crashes > > > > while it's quitting at random times. It says "Cleaning up" and then [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Same here. Rock solid, and no delays either. It's a 10.5.2-specific bug.. at least for Intel upgrading to 3.5.3b2 fixes the issues. Signature[P]eople [E]ating [T]asty [A]nimals > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bill Unison is a cool little news reader. I had downloaded it and didn't think much of it, but one night so bored I started clicking and going to whatever newsgroups and some of the features are pretty cool. SignatureAdobe - Preventing the case-sensitive revolution everyday > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Am I doing something terribly wrong? What suggestions do you have for a > better USEBET reader? Bill, why don't you try version 3.5.3b1 which is what I am using right now on my PowerPC G5 with Mac OS X 10.5.2 and it works fine, as it does on my MacBook Pro, also with Mac OS X 10.5.2. > Bill, why don't you try version 3.5.3b1 which is what I am using right > now on my PowerPC G5 with Mac OS X 10.5.2 and it works fine, as it does > on my MacBook Pro, also with Mac OS X 10.5.2. Why not the most recent version instead? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > now on my PowerPC G5 with Mac OS X 10.5.2 and it works fine, as it does > on my MacBook Pro, also with Mac OS X 10.5.2. All of the MT-Newswatchers use polling threading rather than blocking threading for tasks. That means the threads run non-stop and 99.9999% of that time is spent discovering that there's nothing to do yet. The CPU consumption is especially bad on Intel systems. A few concurrent downloads will get the fans racing or run a laptop battery dead. SignatureI don't read Google's spam. Reply with another service. > All of the MT-Newswatchers use polling threading rather than blocking > threading for tasks. That means the threads run non-stop and 99.9999% > of that time is spent discovering that there's nothing to do yet. The > CPU consumption is especially bad on Intel systems. A few concurrent > downloads will get the fans racing or run a laptop battery dead. I have an Intel Mac Pro. Top indicates that MT-NW is using between 2 and 10 percent of the cpu, while it's doing stuff. "Idle," it sits at about 3 percent. Is that considered excessive, or am I misreading the data (wouldn't be the first time). Top itself uses more than that. SignatureW. Oates > > All of the MT-Newswatchers use polling threading rather than blocking > > threading for tasks. That means the threads run non-stop and 99.9999% [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 3 percent. Is that considered excessive, or am I misreading the data > (wouldn't be the first time). Top itself uses more than that. Interesting. I've used it on several different computers and it has always maxed out the CPU while downloading. I wonder if there's an adjustment to its sleep time? SignatureI don't read Google's spam. Reply with another service. > Bill, why don't you try version 3.5.3b1 which is what I am using right > now on my PowerPC G5 with Mac OS X 10.5.2 and it works fine, as it does > on my MacBook Pro, also with Mac OS X 10.5.2. I hater taking a chance on a beta version--but it is probably worth a try. I have found the NW acutally posts the message before it freezes! Bill > I have found the NW acutally posts the message before it freezes! Mine doesn't -- it crashes and goes away and doesn't post the message. This happens very rarely -- only twice I think since I started having problems. The other issue, where MTNW crashes while it's quitting and "cleaning up," happens about every third time I quit the app. SignatureW. Oates > I hater taking a chance on a beta version--but it is probably worth a > try. Well, considering the last stable release isn't all that stable for you, why would you not try it? Besides, you can go back to your current version if this one is even more problematic for you. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > now on my PowerPC G5 with Mac OS X 10.5.2 and it works fine, as it does > on my MacBook Pro, also with Mac OS X 10.5.2. I had the same problem after upgrading to 10.5.2. An upgrade to the latest version of MTNW cleared that. N > Compared to Entourage, I find MT-NewsWatcher to have many more features > that I like. (I am using OS 10.5.2.) Mostly, I have run into minor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > when I respond to a post. The problem is with MT-NewsWatcher because a > forced quit always seems to leave the system in good shape. You need to get 3.5.3b2. It fixes this problem. Signature[P]eople [E]ating [T]asty [A]nimals |
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