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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / March 2008Bible Software for OSX ?
Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? I would love to find an amplified version? Thanks for you help Tony > Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > > I would love to find an amplified version? amplified? This is old, but possibly a good starting point: <http://lowendmac.com/misc/01/1219.html> there's also <http://sword-bible-kjv.darwinports.com/> If you're a CLI monkey like I am. (I like the sword software as it allows me to easily find passages to confuse, befuddle, confound, and upset the various bible thumping fundies who sometimes pollute my life. It's also a great source to have available in general, and far easier than pulling my KJV off the shelf and flipping through the onionskin pages).  SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <http://lowendmac.com/misc/01/1219.html> Well, old and old... I know Online bible is working on a OS X version, but Accordance has been 'x-ified' for some years now. Acordance is really strong and much of it now is based on the high professional scientific software from LaGrafix, University of Montreal. But towards the LaGrafix, Accordance is real affordable in prices - $39-$150USd per module package. > there's also > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > available in general, and far easier than pulling my KJV off the shelf > and flipping through the onionskin pages). I too like the software from The Sword project - both Mac and Windows versions. And to this comes that MacSword is free. Many of the sword modules are based on the same modules from Online Bible. Cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > confuse, befuddle, confound, and upset the various bible thumping > fundies who sometimes pollute my life. Or as I call it, opposition research. SignatureD.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "They bury your dreams and dig up the worthless/Goodnight/God bless/And kiss goodbye to the earth/The other side of summer" I use..... The Zondervan Essential Bible Study Suite for Macintosh Zondervan / 2005 / Compact disc (Rate This Product) Retail Price: $69.99 Preferred Customer Price: $39.99 You Save $30.00 (43%) Availability: In Stock CBD Stock Number: WW264650 www.christianbook.com Paul In article <dfmanno-6847FD.19123817022008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Or as I call it, opposition research. Hei Paul Is this the successor of the old MacBible 3.2 software? I have all the MB3 modules, and it would be nice, if zondervan would re-write the application or simply get it full carbonized, so it would run native in OS X. - But they won't, - I have asked...:-( cheers, Erik Richard > I use.. > The Zondervan Essential Bible Study Suite for Macintosh [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> fundies who sometimes pollute my life. >> Or as I call it, opposition research. Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I wish it would be so. I used MacBible up until I bought a new iMac this year and could no longer use classic. It was a terrific program. This Zondervan software is a basic version of Accordance Software version 6.8. There are newer versions of the Accordance package but they all have much more than I needed. Wanted something basic and as close to MacBible as possible. So far this has met my needs... plus the price was right. I'm running it under OS X 5.1 Just wish it came with an NASB module, but alas, it doesn't. You can get a full description at the web site previously mentioned. It is also at the Zondrvan website but at the full price. Paul > Hei Paul > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >>> fundies who sometimes pollute my life. > >> Or as I call it, opposition research. Thanks Paul. I'll check it out. NASB - along with NIV - are also the one I miss for the MacSword, but it seems to be some copyright problems, before they can make it available, - else I have most of the Sword modules... - Hope Online bible soon will have a full working OS X version of the application, - cause they promise all old modules to be compatible with the development version of the appl... - I have both NASB and NIV for the OB. cheers, Erik Richard > I wish it would be so. I used MacBible up until I bought a new iMac this > year and could no longer use classic. It was a terrific program. This [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >>>>> fundies who sometimes pollute my life. >>>> Or as I call it, opposition research. Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In article <dfmanno-6847FD.19123817022008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > (I like the sword software as it allows me to easily find passages to > > confuse, befuddle, confound, and upset the various bible thumping > > fundies who sometimes pollute my life. > > Or as I call it, opposition research. Seems all I do anymore is opposition research! :) SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web sites? (Just curious) > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web sites? > > (Just curious) It contains algorithms for putting in subliminal holy messages for those who are more fundamentally and proselytizingly inclined. Signaturedorayme > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web sites? > > (Just curious) 1. Bible software can be used offline. 2. Bible software is more powerful than online tools. 3. Notes, searching and synchronisation of Bibles and resources. 4. More resources, especially for those who do original language research. An abundance of commentaries, dictionaries, maps and other tools that online software doesn't offer. > > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web > > sites? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > research. An abundance of commentaries, dictionaries, maps and other > tools that online software doesn't offer. It hardly bears thinking about, tools to further the activities of human idiocy like fitting out drug and anti terror squads at the public expense. Signaturedorayme >>> What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web >>> sites? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of human idiocy like fitting out drug and anti terror squads at > the public expense. You really have trouble staying on topic and not going off on another rant. SignatureCivis Romanus Sum ... > >> 4. More resources, especially for those who do original language > >> research. An abundance of commentaries, dictionaries, maps and other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You really have trouble staying on topic and not going off on another rant. Not exactly a rant, surely. It was an analogy, a brief devastatingly cutting quick analogy. That was what was being attempted at any rate. OK, it did not succeed. You need background for it, if you could see in the penetrating way I see, you would have appreciated it more. Signaturedorayme > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web > sites? > > (Just curious) Lots of things - here are some reasons to have specific Bible software - Studying - cross reference search - Comparison of various Bibles - comparison of various translations from the origanl texts - Reference search with notes and translitterations from orig. greek/Hebrew texts - Interliniar setup of modules and texts - verse by verse - webbased Bible texts are not accepted at any theological schools or universities etc.etc....... cheers, Erik richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web > > sites? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > cheers, Erik richard If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. >>> What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web >>> sites? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? First I don't think that jesus knew KJV at the time, he walked around here on earth.:-) And - as I'm a theologian with a MD, you can't make further studying withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No translation is perfect from the original Greek and/or Hebrew texts. cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > And - as I'm a theologian with a MD, you can't make further studying > withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No > translation is perfect from the original Greek and/or Hebrew texts. Well, considering that the 'original' texts are written in languages that don't even have punctuation the chore of 'translating' them is very often a chore of writing them. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >> And - as I'm a theologian with a MD, you can't make further studying >> withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that don't even have punctuation the chore of 'translating' them is very > often a chore of writing them. That's no problem with The New Testament, since it is written in Koine Greek, - but The Old Testament - huh! that can really give troubles.:-) - That's also the reason that as many translations as possible can be necessary to be able to interpret fx. a new translation as correctly as possible by comparing the translations, so you can find the most useful and understandable translation for a specific word or expression... cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > That's no problem with The New Testament, since it is written in Koine Greek, > - but The Old Testament - huh! that can really give troubles.:-) - That's > also the reason that as many translations as possible can be necessary to be > able to interpret fx. a new translation as correctly as possible by comparing > the translations, so you can find the most useful and understandable > translation for a specific word or expression... Anyway, since this discussion began, I started playing with MacSword. It is fantastic for this sort of thing. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? > >First I don't think that jesus knew KJV at the time, he walked around >here on earth.:-) Some jokes don't need explaining. >And - as I'm a theologian with a MD, you can't make further studying >withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No >translation is perfect from the original Greek and/or Hebrew texts. Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation of their version of the Bible is the right one. > Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation > of their version of the Bible is the right one. That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The Elephant if there were one. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation > > of their version of the Bible is the right one. > > That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The > Elephant if there were one. Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? <http://www.venganza.org/> SignatureRichard Maine | Good judgement comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgement. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain > Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? > <http://www.venganza.org/> Nah, too mainstream! ;-) Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? > > <http://www.venganza.org/> > > Nah, too mainstream! ;-) Well, on further reflection it's not that it's too mainstream, it's that I'm too late to get in on the merchandising. I currently corner the market on merchandise for The Church of the Blind Men and The Elephant. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude Mike Rosenberg: > > That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The > > Elephant if there were one. Richard Maine: > Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? > <http://www.venganza.org/> Not for me, thanks. The problem is that the CFSM worldview is no more compelling than that of other churches, which is to say, not compelling at all. OK, maybe the CFSM worldview is a _little_ _bit_ more credible than that of most churches, but still not as compelling as that of my own "church," which also has a web site. <http://americanhumanist.org/index.html> Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com >>>> What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible >>>> web sites? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No > translation is perfect from the original Greek and/or Hebrew texts. I am no theologian, but I seem to remember that the Roman Catholic church proclaimed the Latin translation of the Bible by St. Jerome to be the equal of the original texts. I know disputed passages were discovered (just what was it that went through the eye of a needle, and was the eye of a needle to be understood literally or metaphorically, etc.), but the proclamation had already been made. Undoubtedly Greek Orthodox believers thought the original to be untouchable, and Jews kept knowledge of Hebrew going for millenia in order to keep in touch with the original of the Old Testament, no translation having like prestige with them. Muslims all learn Arabic as the only truly sanctioned approach to the Koran. In my youth a Revised Standard modern English translation of the Bible was published but rejected by many conservative Protestants, who attributed nearly holy rights to the King James translation, not unlike the Catholic reverence for the Vulgate of St. Jerome. So that may be the source of those jokes about Jesus Himself sanctioning the King James translation. Signature++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse or protection. Dear friends: >I am no theologian, but I seem to remember that the Roman Catholic >church proclaimed the Latin translation of the Bible by St. Jerome to be >the equal of the original texts. Not officially, only by some catholic theologians from many Centuries ago. Today, this position is totally discredited, see the "Dei Verbum" document of the Vatican II Council. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! Hei Juan >> I am no theologian, but I seem to remember that the Roman Catholic >> church proclaimed the Latin translation of the Bible by St. Jerome to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ago. Today, this position is totally discredited, see the "Dei Verbum" > document of the Vatican II Council. The reason the Roman Catholic churches didn't recon the newer translations is also based on the socalled 'Bible War' between the British Bible society - 'United Bible Society' (UBS) - and the Vatican, where the Brits claimed all rights of the new found texts, where the Roman churches still claimed the Textus Receptus (TR) - the base of Vulgata - to be the older and more truly written texts. Both TR and UBS have their truths and correct forms, but each one in different places within the texts. That's also one of the main reasons and of very, very big importance to have access to as many types of texts and translations as possible. Cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Both TR and UBS have their truths.. What does truth have to do with religion? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > Both TR and UBS have their truths.. > > What does truth have to do with religion? Just as much as monkeys have to do with oatmeal. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >>> Both TR and UBS have their truths.. >> What does truth have to do with religion? > > Just as much as monkeys have to do with oatmeal. In your case it is casting pearls before swine. MacSword http://www.macsword.com/download/?lang=en SignatureCivis Romanus Sum > >>> Both TR and UBS have their truths.. > >> What does truth have to do with religion? > > > > Just as much as monkeys have to do with oatmeal. > > In your case it is casting pearls before swine. Well, I wouldn't say I'm a pearl, not exactly. But I appreciate the compliment. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >> Both TR and UBS have their truths.. > >What does truth have to do with religion? The other guys' religions all are wrong. Even if his "religion" is his country, culture, or economic system. > The other guys' religions all are wrong. Unless you're a member of the Church of the Blind Men and the Elephant. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude AV3 wrote, inter alia: > In my youth a Revised Standard modern English translation of the Bible > was published but rejected by many conservative Protestants, who > attributed nearly holy rights to the King James translation, not unlike > the Catholic reverence for the Vulgate of St. Jerome. So that may be the > source of those jokes about Jesus Himself sanctioning the King James > translation. One problem with the RSV was that it did not contain the groveling dedication "TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, ETC." and it omitted, in that same dedication, an appropriate slur on the Church of Rome: "...if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by Popish persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God's hold truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness..." Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com > In my youth a Revised Standard modern English translation of the Bible > was published but rejected by many conservative Protestants, who > attributed nearly holy rights to the King James translation, not unlike > the Catholic reverence for the Vulgate of St. Jerome. So that may be the > source of those jokes about Jesus Himself sanctioning the King James > translation. But, but, but He made a special revelation to the KJV translators. SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. > If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? Lol! SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >> > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web >> > sites? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert in the British History, indeed. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! >>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Santiago de Chile (South America) >Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! Is there an effective translation of this joke for either the Roman Catholic tradition or Spanish language in general? Some traditional translation that sounds Right for traditionalists? The switch away from Latin may be recent enough to confuse things here. It's funny how natural it is for many people to assume God's language includes Thee and Thou, as that was how English was spoken when the King James Bible was translated. It's funny how language changes. When Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy was re-released, he resisted the temptation to re-write it better. But one thing he changed was the word "atomic" to "nuclear". Our language had changed since he wrote it. Dear Howard & friends: >>>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >better. But one thing he changed was the word "atomic" to "nuclear". >Our language had changed since he wrote it. Dear Howard, thank you very much for your post. Being a native Spanish speaking person, I am not familiar with the language particularities of any English translation of the Bible. But I was very curious how a Bible cultivated person, like our friend above, could said that the "King James Version" (or "Translation") of the Bible was preferred by Jesus himself. It seemed to me an inconsistency. But I agree with you, In Spanish, I prefer the Bibles that use a language that it is "modern" (that means "understandable" for today's readers), "serious" (that means not adapted, for "marketing" or "pastoral" reasons, to jargons or similar that they were foreign to the spirit of the original human writers), with a lot of "fidelity" (I don't know if this is the correct word in English, but surely you understand me) to the textual meaning of the original languages, and "neutral" (without any artificial favoritism to the Dogmas of any specific Christian denomination). Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > But > I was very curious how a Bible cultivated person, like our friend > above, could said that the "King James Version" (or "Translation") of > the Bible was preferred by Jesus himself. It seemed to me an > inconsistency. It was a JOKE. It was a particularly funny joke because, at least in the US, it is quite common for CHristians of various sects to argue that their specific Dogma is the 'one true word of god' and that everyone who disagrees in the slightest with them is a stand worshiping heretic. I wish I could find that joke about the Methodist who comes across a man attempting suicide... SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > a stand worshiping heretic. wtf? a satan worshipping heretic, naturally. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > Dear Howard & friends: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Santiago de Chile (South America) > Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! True, I say to you, it is almost impossible if not totally to not let one's biases into a translation of the Bible in particular, because the beliefs of your church penetrate so deeply. SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. > >> > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web > >> > sites? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert > in the British History, indeed. He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to the lost tribes. SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. > He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to > the lost tribes. I thought they were on Galactica with Adama? SignatureYou too will get old. And when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young prices where reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders. > > He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to > > the lost tribes. > > I thought they were on Galactica with Adama? Who you ganna believe, Galactica or the serif archangel Marooni? SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. >> > He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to >> > the lost tribes. >> >> I thought they were on Galactica with Adama? > > Who you ganna believe, Galactica or the serif archangel Marooni? He was in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, right? SignatureIt was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought...should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words. In <proto-655FA1.00273311032008@70-1-84-166.area1.spcsdns.net>, Walter...: > If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? Stop kidding around. We all know He spoke Latin. And let's not forget "Reformed Egyptian" for our friends in Utah. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > > If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? > > Stop kidding around. We all know He spoke Latin. Or Farsi or whatever the Persian language was called ca. 600 BCE: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > > I would love to find an amplified version? Google knows. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. If you must contact me through e-mail, let me know when you send email to this address so that your email doesn't get eaten by my SPAM filter. JR >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? >> >> I would love to find an amplified version? > > Google knows. Google isn't God! cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Google isn't God! And yet, still, Google knows... Creepy! SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. If you must contact me through e-mail, let me know when you send email to this address so that your email doesn't get eaten by my SPAM filter. JR >>>> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And yet, still, Google knows... Creepy! Nope, God is allknowing, - Google isn't! cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > And yet, still, Google knows... Creepy! > > Nope, God is allknowing, - Google isn't! I'm confused. Is it your contention that using Google to search for bible software for Mac OS X does not work? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Google isn't God! <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. >>>> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> Ha.:-)! Not quite, - Google is only virtual, - God is real... cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > God is real... > > cheers, Erik Richard I'd like to see this proved beyond any doubt. ;-) SignatureEdo ergo sum > > God is real... > > > > cheers, Erik Richard > > I'd like to see this proved beyond any doubt. ;-) Actually G-d is a qauternian. SignatureWhat is done in the heat of battle is (normatively) judged by different standards than what is leisurely planned in comfortable conference rooms. > >>>> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ha.:-)! Not quite, - Google is only virtual, - God is real... er... not for any value of real I've ever heard of. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > Ha.:-)! Not quite, - Google is only virtual, - God is real... I continue to be dismayed by how many otherwise intelligent people can be so superstitious and yet be completely unaware of how silly they look from the outside. And frightened to learn how many of these superstitious folk would love to turn the US into another Iran style theocracy -- and again be completely ignorant of the fact that this is what they are wanting. Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html >> Ha.:-)! Not quite, - Google is only virtual, - God is real... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to turn the US into another Iran style theocracy -- and again be > completely ignorant of the fact that this is what they are wanting. In your case its pearls before swine. Don't comment about something you have no knowledge of. SignatureCivis Romanus Sum >I continue to be dismayed by how many otherwise intelligent people can >be so superstitious and yet be completely unaware of how silly they look [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to turn the US into another Iran style theocracy -- and again be >completely ignorant of the fact that this is what they are wanting. It doesn't hurt to know more about the Religious books of the world - after all we have to live with people and countries who use their books to justify their ways of life. > It doesn't hurt to know more about the Religious books of the world Is it less painful with special software? Signaturedorayme >> It doesn't hurt to know more about the Religious books of the world > >Is it less painful with special software? I suppose it depends on the software. It would be nice to have a source that had all of the major religions that would allow me to compare a particular position. Or maybe to compare the Religions of the Book for a particular Old Testament reference. I read lots of statements about Islam, and some of them are contradictory (some are contradictory about Christianity and Judaism as well). I don't have a concordance for the Qura-n (if such a thing exists), I can't read Sanskrit, and I haven't read the Tao Te Ching. Finding out how to work in harmony with someone from one of those religions without compromising principles would be useful. Having someone else do the hard work for me is a pretty good reason for computers. > >> It doesn't hurt to know more about the Religious books of the world > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and Judaism as well). > ... But Howard... there are more important questions than the differences between religions, the biggest being their unscientific character. Would software bring this to the fore? If you saw forty mad men in a ward raving crazily about different things, would you try to see what might be the differences or similarities within the text of their utterances? Or would you stand back and think, "Phew!" Can software do "Phew!"? And if it can, can it do it better than you or me? Signaturedorayme >But Howard... there are more important questions than the >differences between religions, the biggest being their >unscientific character. Would software bring this to the fore? If I have to deal with, say radical Islamists (maybe as a hostage), I won't get far with arguing about the basic irrationality of their beliefs. I suspect I would have better luck if I can quote their Prophet recommending mercy. The person who understands his competition (or enemy) has an advantage over the person who doesn't. > >But Howard... there are more important questions than the > >differences between religions, the biggest being their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The person who understands his competition (or enemy) has an advantage > over the person who doesn't. O... I see... You are a practical man. Signaturedorayme > If I have to deal with, say radical Islamists (maybe as a hostage), I > won't get far with arguing about the basic irrationality of their > beliefs. I suspect I would have better luck if I can quote their > Prophet recommending mercy. Nah, they'd problem think you're mocking them and be even more pissed off. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > Nah, they'd problem think you're mocking them and be even more pissed > off. They would _PROBABLY_ think you're mocking them... I've really got to start looking at what I've typed before posting. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart In article <1ickjjb.1jvfqtr1k0qql1N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > > Nah, they'd problem think you're mocking them and be even more pissed > > off. > > They would _PROBABLY_ think you're mocking them... > > I've really got to start looking at what I've typed before posting. You would have done worse had you done this on this occasion, your original was actually not bad. Think about it and don't ask me damn fool questions to explain it to you. Signaturedorayme > I don't have a concordance for the Qur’a-n (if such a thing exists), I > can't read Sanskrit, and I haven't read the Tao Te Ching. Finding > out how to work in harmony with someone from one of those religions > without compromising principles would be useful. Here's how I work in harmony: we don't discuss it, and we take our paychecks at the end of the week and go our separate ways. SignatureW. Oates > > It doesn't hurt to know more about the Religious books of the world > > Is it less painful with special software? The best software has analgesics built in. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> Thank you so much for posting this! You gotta read the hate mail if you haven't already. The only problem I have now is rationlizing this with my belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> > > Thank you so much for posting this! You gotta read the hate mail if you > haven't already. The only problem I have now is rationlizing this with > my belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Simple, Google is the earthly avatar of the FSM. Or, to put it into gobbly-speak: Google is the outward and physical manifestation of the inward and spiritual Flying Spaghetti Monster. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > Thank you so much for posting this! You gotta read the hate mail if you > > haven't already. The only problem I have now is rationlizing this with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Google is the outward and physical manifestation of the inward and > spiritual Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ah, thank you! I knew there had to be a connection! Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > Google is the outward and physical manifestation of the inward and > spiritual Flying Spaghetti Monster. It its noodly appendages reach everything. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ Lewis: > <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> "Proof" #1 says that Google is close to being all-knowing. Hmmm. Using the language of Googlism, Google "knows" that Chevys suck and Fords are good. And that Fords suck and Chevys are good. Macs are great. Windows sucks. Windows is great. Macs suck. Aliens from another world built the Pyramids at Giza. Astrology is real. There is a god. There is no god. Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? "Proof that Google is God," yet Google "knows" that there is no god. This fails to meet my definition of all-knowing. "Proof" #2 says that Google is omnipresent. Not true. "Proof" #3 is patently ridiculous. "Proof" #4 is a quaint conceit. "Proof" #5 is patently ridiculous. "Proof" #6 is patently false. Try googling what I ate for breakfast on the morning of January 17, 1983. Any old omniscient god would know that. "Proof" #7 is meaningless because Google cannot do evil _or_ good. "Proof" #8 is a deception. More people pray to gods than pray to Google. "Proof" #9 is a deception. Evidence of my dog's existence is abundant, but she is not a goddess. I like the evangelism: "Click here to join our EXPLODING community and chat with HUNDREDS of like-minded people, just like you! Come on, do it right now!" Hundreds, or even billions, of semi-literate nerds, unable to distinguish between a real god and a false god, are nothing at all like me. They haven't even succeeded in being funny. Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com > Hundreds, or even billions, of semi-literate nerds, unable > to distinguish between a real god and a false god, There is no difference, that's the point. > are nothing at all like me. They haven't even succeeded in being funny. It's replies like yours that make it funny. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > "Proof" #1 says that Google is close to being all-knowing... > > This fails to meet my definition of all-knowing. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #2 says that Google is omnipresent. Not true. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #3 is patently ridiculous. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #4 is a quaint conceit. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #5 is patently ridiculous. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #6 is patently false... You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #7 is meaningless because Google cannot do evil _or_ good. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #8 is a deception. More people pray to gods than pray to Google. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? > "Proof" #9 is a deception. Evidence of my dog's existence is abundant, > but she is not a goddess. You know it's all meant as a joke, right? Oh, and I've heard that there is a group that worships your dog. (You know _that_ was meant as a joke, right?) > They haven't even succeeded in being funny. So you _do_ know it's all meant as a joke, and you just don't find it funny? Oh well, to each his own. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Mike Rosenberg: Davoud: > > Evidence of my dog's existence is abundant, but she is not a goddess. Mike Rosenberg: > You know it's all meant as a joke, right? Oh, and I've heard that there > is a group that worships your dog. (You know _that_ was meant as a joke, > right?) Actually, _I_ was joking--my dog _is_ a goddess. I lived in Egypt for four years and I saw her likeness painted or carved at every antiquity site I visited. Davoud Signatureusenet *at* davidillig dawt com > Lewis: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > This fails to meet my definition of all-knowing. Why don't you take out a loan and buy a sense of humor? SignatureD.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "They bury your dreams and dig up the worthless/Goodnight/God bless/And kiss goodbye to the earth/The other side of summer" > Evidence of my dog's existence is abundant, but she is not a goddess. My Dog is a jealous Dog and we may have no other Dog before her. Occasionally at family meals I insist that our family recite a devotional in order to keep us from straying from the path of righteousness: Dogs are great; dogs are good But they get no table food -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > > >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html> Thank you for the posting. I always knew that there had to be an alternative to the Xian sky pilot cum Judaic folk lore. Google is it. Praise "her" and bow down before "her". There, that's got that off my chest as Jordan said to the surgeon. Now I must conclude...... after all is said and battled.... I asked on this newsgroup because.... I did not find a solution through Google or yahoo, etc...... And That no one makes a ..... "Bible Program" with with the multiple versions, IE:KJV, NKJV, NIV, AMP, ..... that I can purchase, for my MacBook Pro Intel OSX I have tried the "Sword", and it only has 2 working versions but only KJV is complete or works fully on my computer? And no basic search functions? Well Thanks for your help I look froward to a Bible Software being developed, like "PC Bible" for my mac... > Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tony Hei Tony > Now I must conclude...... > after all is said and battled.... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > IE:KJV, NKJV, NIV, AMP, ..... > that I can purchase, for my MacBook Pro Intel OSX As said earlier, the Accordance project makes the modules, but they are expensive... > I have tried the "Sword", and it only has 2 working versions > but only KJV is complete or works fully on my computer? > And no basic search functions? Hm, in my MacSword I have these English versions AKJV - American King James Version ALT - Analytical Literal Translation (English) ASV - American Standard Version BBE - Bible in Basic English BWE - Bible in Worldwide English (new International English translation) EMTV - English Majority Text Version (new, very modern English) GodsWord - GOD's WORD Translation (very modern and basic translation) KJV - King James Version (1769) with strong's notes and code MKJV - Green's Modern King James Version RNKJV - Restored Named King James Version WEB - World English Bible YLT - Young's Literal Translation (1898) + some more specialized translations > Well Thanks for your help > I look froward to a Bible Software being developed, like "PC Bible" for > my mac... I know that now also 'BibleWorks' has been ported to OS X, but like Accordance, it is rather expensive. some students here at the local university prefers PC Bible - others BibleWorks... Both versions are acknowledged to be used on most theological faculties at the European universities. If you like to, Tony, I can send you the full MacSword collection via YouSendtIt. I've collected it on a CD image. It has a size of 497mb and it can be run directly from the CD, if you copy the application to your applications folder Just send an email with a valid return address to <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> - remove _NOSPM_ to activate my address. This offer is of curse for others, who want the collection too. I have a very fast connection, so time doesn't matter to me... cheers, Erik Richard (PS. I have a MD in theology) >> Anyone know of any good Bible software for OS X? >> >> I would love to find an amplified version? Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Now I must conclude...... > after all is said and battled.... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Tony Since you're willing to buy something. I have used the OSX version without problems: http://www.online-bible.com/maconlinebible.html The CD version probably will meet your most stringent criteria. SignatureGrandpa Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/ > I have tried the "Sword", and it only has 2 working versions > but only KJV is complete or works fully on my computer? > And no basic search functions? Since reading this discussion, I've installed KJV, ALT (NT only) and ASV into MacSword. Searching within them seems to work fine. The first time it does a search, expect it to take its time indexing. I've also installed two Hungarian language versions: the New which I might be able to read and the Karoli which is too archaic for me to read, but it's what people quote. NIV doesn't seem to be available. I suspect it is a copyright issue. I keep on meaning to pick up a printed NIV, since I think that that is a good compromise in terms of translation for modern purposes, but always forget. I've got print KJV and "Good News" (ASV) as well as a complete children's bible for my daughter. She still finds Greek mythology far more interesting and exciting than Hebrew mythology, though.[1] There is also a Hungarian print version somewhere in the house, but I haven't seen it for a while.[2] I got a brand new print copy of the Book of Mormon from two nice young men who stopped by the house last Saturday. I was exceedingly polite and respectful. I asked them to tell the story to my daughter. She has heard us tell of people who consider personal revelation a legitimate source of knowledge, but this was the first time she heard it first hand. -j Notes: [1] I've been trying to pique her interest in various ways. When she saw a Simpson's episode titled "Simpson and Delilah" I tried to tell her the story behind that allusion, but she would have none of it. My best bet so far was to use the hook of the song about the five constipated men in the five books of Mose |
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