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betty - 01 Feb 2008 19:20 GMT
Hi all, hope you can help me.

I'm trying to play some Quicktime tutorials in OS 9.2.2. My computer is
a G4 PCI 400 Yikes. QuickTime 6.0.3. I know, I'm in the dark ages. I've
tried and tried to upgrade to OSX but I can't.

When I try to play the movie the first time I get a Message: "Quicktime
is missing software required to display this movie file. Unfortuately
it is not available on the Quicktime server."
When I try the second time I get a Message: "You may experience
problems playing a video track because the required compressor could
not be found."

The audio plays fine but there is no video. I went to "get info" for
the movie and this is what I got.
Format: H.264, 960 x 540, Millions MPEG - 4 Audio, Mono, 44.1 kHz, 16
bits, (variable bitrate)

Am I missing a plug-in or something that can make this play? I don't
want to sound completely clueless, but...

Thank you for any help,

Betty
dorayme - 01 Feb 2008 19:32 GMT
> Hi all, hope you can help me.
>
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>
> Betty

Go to your system folder and open the extensions folder, go down
to the qt ones and say which ones you have (are they all turned
on). If your list does not match mine, I might have to send you a
component.

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dorayme - 01 Feb 2008 20:06 GMT
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<doraymeRidThis-11495C.06321102022008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,

> > Am I missing a plug-in or something that can make this play? I don't
> > want to sound completely clueless, but...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> on). If your list does not match mine, I might have to send you a
> component.

But it looks like this particular movie is your problem and
advice of others, when I think about it, is right and you are not
missing components. Don't look in your System Folder now.

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betty - 01 Feb 2008 20:26 GMT
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<doraymeRidThis-11495C.06321102022008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,

> Go to your system folder and open the extensions folder, go down
> to the qt ones and say which ones you have (are they all turned
> on). If your list does not match mine, I might have to send you a
> component.

Hi dorayme,

These are all in a folder called QuickTime extensions in the extension
folder. (does that make sense?)

3ivx D4 4.5.1 for OS9
QuickTime Authoring
QuickTime Capture
QuickTime Effects
QuickTime Essentials
QuickTime Firewire DV
QuickTime Image
QuickTime Internet Extras
QuickTime Java Extras
QuickTime MPEG2
QuickTime MPEG4
QuickTime MPEG4 Authoring
QuickTime Music
QuickTime Player Extras
QuickTime QD3D
QuickTime Streaming
QuickTime Streaming Authoring
QuickTime Streaming Broadcast
QuickTime Streaming Extras
QuickTime VR Authoring
QuickTime Web Helper

And these are just in the extension folder

QuickDraw 3D
QuickDraw 3D IR
QuickDraw 3D RAVE
QuickDraw 3D Viewer
QuickTime FireWire DV Enabler
QuickTime FireWire DV Support
QuickTime
QuickTime MPEG Extension
QuickTime Musical Instruments
QuickTime PowerPlug
QuickTime VR

And they are all enabled, turned on.

Hope this helps

Betty
dorayme - 01 Feb 2008 20:44 GMT
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> <doraymeRidThis-11495C.06321102022008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
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> QuickTime Capture
> QuickTime Effects

...

Looks like you have all the same as mine. (I had some prob once
and moved the MPEG2 to be loose in Extensions, but I doubt this
difference is relevant).

Perhaps time to move to X, Betty. I know, you had issues about
this. X needs lots of RAM and there may be limits on which
version of X for your machine. There are some really good people
who would be able to help you at
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en (a Google Group
-now - managed by Low End Mac and covering all Macs built around
G3, G4, and G5 CPUs).

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betty - 01 Feb 2008 21:15 GMT
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> Looks like you have all the same as mine. (I had some prob once
> and moved the MPEG2 to be loose in Extensions, but I doubt this
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> -now - managed by Low End Mac and covering all Macs built around
> G3, G4, and G5 CPUs).

Thanks again. And thanks for the link. i will definitely check them
out.  I have 576mg of ram on my machine. I've tried taking ram out and
trying to find if there is one or two that are keeping OS X from
installing. I've tried anything that anyone suggested. I've spent days
on this, literally. I think I have some incompatible ram, but is it
worth spending the money on new ram for this machine? I don't think so.
I'm hoping my honey will get a new machine soon and I will inherit his,
complete with OS 10.3.9 or better. Until then I guess I'll just plug
along on this 'ole slug.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to help me.

Betty
rezwits - 01 Feb 2008 23:01 GMT
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>
> Betty

Make sure you get a G4 if you are going to do MPEG-4. I have problems
with my G3 not even working with Quicktime 7.4 or 7.3 whatever is out
right now.  But G4's work...
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dorayme - 01 Feb 2008 23:39 GMT
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> complete with OS 10.3.9 or better. Until then I guess I'll just plug
> along on this 'ole slug.

If you were to run X, you are hampered enough with your machine's
limitations, it is important to have at least perfect RAM and
lots of it, at least a GB, and lots of room on a big HD.

But you are not wrong to save pennies for a more modern machine.
Even a QS 933 or a 2002 MDD would be good and getting cheaper by
the minute.

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Lewis - 02 Feb 2008 01:40 GMT
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> But you are not wrong to save pennies for a more modern machine.
> Even a QS 933 or a 2002 MDD would be good and getting cheaper by
> the minute.

I think a mini would be a much better choice.  Even at the lowend, it
can handle most x264 content (it won't do 1080p very well if at all).

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dorayme - 02 Feb 2008 02:08 GMT
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> I think a mini would be a much better choice.  Even at the lowend, it
> can handle most x264 content (it won't do 1080p very well if at all).

But a mini, by comparison, costs a fair bit doesn't it and then
what have you got? Something that is easily lost, easily trodden
on, unable to be opened and poked about with, and something that
seems ... a trifle undignified?

Too much unlike a Ford XY muscle car for my taste. I understand
you can't hear them either. That is hell of a creepy. Every
person has to ask themselves the question, do they want such a
sneaky thing around?

<g>

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Jolly Roger - 02 Feb 2008 02:14 GMT
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> > In article
> > <doraymeRidThis-F830D1.10392002022008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
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>
> <g>

That's so true!! Can you find the sneaky little Mac mini in this
picture?:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/jollyroger/closet-server.jpg>

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dorayme - 02 Feb 2008 02:55 GMT
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,

> In article
> <doraymeRidThis-F3A2C4.13085502022008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
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>
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/jollyroger/closet-server.jpg>

Like a robber pressing himself against the laneway wall outside a
bank, hoping not to be seen. Sly sly...

(btw, I noticed the 'old fashioned' torch... these days I have
moved over to LED torches. They are really something bright and
use about 15% less juice. You need all the brightness you can get
to hunt for minis - which tend to creep in in the middle of the
night).

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nospam - 01 Feb 2008 19:34 GMT

> The audio plays fine but there is no video. I went to "get info" for
> the movie and this is what I got.
> Format: H.264, 960 x 540, Millions MPEG - 4 Audio, Mono, 44.1 kHz, 16
> bits, (variable bitrate)

h.264 is the the format, and that requires quicktime 7 or later.
however, 960x540 is a fairly big frame size and the computer may be too
slow to play the movie at a watchable speed.

> Am I missing a plug-in or something that can make this play? I don't
> want to sound completely clueless, but...

quicktime 7 is all you need, but be aware that it might not play well,
and if you bought quicktime pro, you'll need to purchase it again.
D. Kirkpatrick - 02 Feb 2008 10:36 GMT
> quicktime 7 is all you need, but be aware that it might not play well,
> and if you bought quicktime pro, you'll need to purchase it again.

I believe 7 is for OSX.

He is on an OS 9 machine so version 6 is the highest that will run on
that machine.
Philo D - 01 Feb 2008 19:44 GMT
> Hi all, hope you can help me.
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Am I missing a plug-in or something that can make this play? I don't
> want to sound completely clueless, but...

You are missing the H.264 codec, so the video cannot be played.
I don't know if H.264 exists for OS 9, probably not

> Thank you for any help,
>
> Betty
nospam - 01 Feb 2008 19:53 GMT
> You are missing the H.264 codec, so the video cannot be played.
> I don't know if H.264 exists for OS 9, probably not

good point.  quicktime 7 (which has h.264) specs say no os 9:
<http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html>

also, a 400mz g4 is not even close to being able to play a video with
that frame size.
linda - 01 Feb 2008 20:30 GMT
> You are missing the H.264 codec, so the video cannot be played.
> I don't know if H.264 exists for OS 9, probably not

Thanks, I will look for the H.264 codec. Can I find it by googling? But
I think you and no spam may be right. I need to upgrade quicktime and I
think when I tried to do that 6.0.3 was the last version that works in
OS 9.2.2. I'll go check again.

Thanks again, Betty

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Lewis - 01 Feb 2008 21:23 GMT
> My computer is a G4 PCI 400 Yikes

Yikes!

> Format: H.264,

No freaking way.  Nope.  Nada.  Never going to happen.  Your machines
hasn't got a PRAYER of playing that file.  My iBook G4 (1Ghz?) can't
play x264 files. My G4 tower with the 2Ghz upgrade CPU can't play em.

> Am I missing a plug-in or something

Yeah,a  G5 or Intel processor.

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linda - 02 Feb 2008 03:59 GMT
> > My computer is a G4 PCI 400 Yikes
>
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>
> Yeah,a  G5 or Intel processor.

But my husbands APG 450 can play all of these. Go figure!

Betty

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Dave Balderstone - 02 Feb 2008 04:18 GMT
> > > My computer is a G4 PCI 400 Yikes
> >
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>
> But my husbands APG 450 can play all of these. Go figure!

Your husband must be mistaken, as I'm pretty sure Lewis is never wrong.

Maybe your husband only *thinks* his Mac is playing them, and Apple is
mistaken when they say "Internet-sized content (40kbps - 300kbps) will
run on the most basic of processors, like those in mobile phones and
consumer-level computers." at
<http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/faq.html>

Because, as I said, I'm pretty sure that Lewis is *never* wrong.
Besides, who are you going to trust... Him or some rag-tag group of
hack programmers at Apple?

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Lewis - 02 Feb 2008 06:20 GMT
> Your husband must be mistaken, as I'm pretty sure Lewis is never wrong.

I thought I was once, but no...

> Maybe your husband only *thinks* his Mac is playing them, and Apple is
> mistaken when they say "Internet-sized content (40kbps - 300kbps) will
> run on the most basic of processors, like those in mobile phones and
> consumer-level computers." at

There is no way a AGP 450Mhz is playing that x264 file, which was no
where near 'internet sized content'.

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Warren Oates - 02 Feb 2008 13:20 GMT
> Because, as I said, I'm pretty sure that Lewis is *never* wrong.
> Besides, who are you going to trust... Him or some rag-tag group of
> hack programmers at Apple?

We don't agree on much, Dave, but here I'm with you: Lewis has _never_
been wrong. He won't see this because I'm in his kill-file (I hope)
because, while he's never wrong per se as it were and to coin a phrase,
he's a humo(u)rless tree-hugger, who (did I mention) is never wrong.

I can play h.264 stuff on my ol' Sawtooth (1.6 processor). Maybe I'm
imagining it, and it never happened. I dunno. It won't play the 720p
stuff, though, jerks along unhappily.
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dorayme - 02 Feb 2008 22:24 GMT
> He won't see this because I'm in his kill-file (I hope)

Can't you tell? Isn't it a bit different to being outside? look
around, has it got what we might call facilities? (You know,
hanging hooks and chains and electrical outlets that don't look
normal, sort of heavy duty, for torture and like that?) Is it
darker than usual. You can tell these things. One day we must
discuss the various kfs we have experienced.

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Lewis - 02 Feb 2008 22:43 GMT
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> > He won't see this because I'm in his kill-file (I hope)
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> darker than usual. You can tell these things. One day we must
> discuss the various kfs we have experienced.

I don't have anyone in my kill file except the os2 posts guy.

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Warren Oates - 02 Feb 2008 22:54 GMT
> I don't have anyone in my kill file except the os2 posts guy.

Okay. You said plonk to me once, and, like a fool, I took you at your
word. What do you have against the os2 guy? One of his posts led me to a
free (legit) serial number for my DivX stuff.
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Lewis - 03 Feb 2008 19:24 GMT
> > I don't have anyone in my kill file except the os2 posts guy.
>
> Okay. You said plonk to me once,

That was temporary.  I was informed I was wrong, so I removed the kill.

> and, like a fool, I took you at your
> word. What do you have against the os2 guy?

Perhaps it was the timing, but the posts seemed to be not at all on
topic and of no interest to me.

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Mike Rosenberg - 03 Feb 2008 19:27 GMT
> > and, like a fool, I took you at your
> > word. What do you have against the os2 guy?
>
> Perhaps it was the timing, but the posts seemed to be not at all on
> topic and of no interest to me.

I've killfiled him, too.  All I saw from him where posts making
proclamations for no apparent reason and often with no basis in fact.

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> > > and, like a fool, I took you at your
> > > word. What do you have against the os2 guy?
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> I've killfiled him, too.  All I saw from him where posts making
> proclamations for no apparent reason and often with no basis in fact.

Mike, you don't understand Warren. He is deeper than the Pacific.
More enigmatic than the Amazon. But I better stop in case you kf
me. I have heard your kf is not a nice place to be.

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Mike Rosenberg - 03 Feb 2008 21:42 GMT
> Mike, you don't understand Warren. He is deeper than the Pacific.
> More enigmatic than the Amazon. But I better stop in case you kf
> me. I have heard your kf is not a nice place to be.

We're talking about the OS/2 guy, not Warren.

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> > Mike, you don't understand Warren. He is deeper than the Pacific.
> > More enigmatic than the Amazon. But I better stop in case you kf
> > me. I have heard your kf is not a nice place to be.
>
> We're talking about the OS/2 guy, not Warren.

O! I better shut up then.

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> Mike, you don't understand Warren. He is deeper than the Pacific.
> More enigmatic than the Amazon. But I better stop in case you kf
> me. I have heard your kf is not a nice place to be.

Cool. Enigmatic _and_ deep. Loves small fluffy animals too, and is
hoping for a career in the fashion industry.
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Mike Rosenberg - 04 Feb 2008 13:31 GMT
> Loves small fluffy animals too

Cooked or raw?

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> Cooked or raw?

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dorayme - 02 Feb 2008 22:58 GMT
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>
> I don't have anyone in my kill file except the os2 posts guy.

Well, Lewis, old son, I can help you a bit. I have a nice little
bunch of no good low downs in my cells and I can spare a few in a
sort of prisoner exchange. In this case you would owe me a few if
I ever ran short.

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Warren Oates - 02 Feb 2008 23:24 GMT
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> Can't you tell? Isn't it a bit different to being outside? look
> around, has it got what we might call facilities? (You know,
> hanging hooks and chains and electrical outlets that don't look
> normal, sort of heavy duty, for torture and like that?) Is it
> darker than usual. You can tell these things. One day we must
> discuss the various kfs we have experienced.

Cool. I just watched Logan's Run. They escaped from the domed city
(which was kind of like a kill-file) and Peter Ustinov read some T.S.
Eliot, and then everyone escaped and then the place blew up and
meanwhile I got to see Jenny's boobs again.

Believe it or not, I actually went out with Jenny Agutter for a while in
1971; well, you probably won't believe it, but it's true. She was like
19 and I was like 23. Young hippy type was I. She went off to work on
something one day and met someone else. Shortly after that I did too.
Then she went off to Hollywood like they all do, these star-struck young
girls.
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dorayme - 03 Feb 2008 00:03 GMT
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> Then she went off to Hollywood like they all do, these star-struck young
> girls.

I believe you. That is you in:

<http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0082010/amerps03.jpg.html?seq=4>

right?

I have seen her in Spooks.

So, Warren, this is the big year for you, 60 eh? From now on, you
will be looking at more pics of young female parts and less at
the real things...

Perhaps time at least to prepare to fall off the perch. The Dirty
Harry gun to the brains would be a manly thing to do. Hanging can
go wrong. Trust me, I know, I have tried both and the Harry is
best. Hate to spook you, but you must already know I do not speak
as live earthling.

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Warren Oates - 03 Feb 2008 01:03 GMT
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> I believe you. That is you in:
>
> <http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0082010/amerps03.jpg.html?seq=4>
>
> right?

No, but it certainly looks like me.

> I have seen her in Spooks.
>
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> best. Hate to spook you, but you must already know I do not speak
> as live earthling.

... me and Hunter Thompson. I dunno, it'd have to be painless. How much
Prednisone would I have to take? Should I be x-posting to
alt.suicide.methods. Really, though, I'm looking forward to just sitting
around and annoying people on the Internet full-time for a while.

Reason I said you wouldn't believe me, you have no reason to. I conceal
my real name, and I can make any claims about myself I want. I was born
in the wagon of a travelin show; I was behind that grassy knoll; I
played 2nd base for the Brooklyn Dodgers; I was a painter on the Sydney
Harbour Bridge; I was the drummer for Dr. Hook and so on; as long as
nothing's too outrageous, I can make someone believe just about any of
that. Well, I guess the grassy knoll's a bit outrageous, but not out of
the realm of possibility.
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