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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / December 2007Safari 3 w/o 10.4.11
Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection but it gave me Safari 3. I have reverted to 10.4.9, which seems to be stable. However, Apple does not seem to offer Safari 3 except as part of 10.4.11. Does anybody know a way to get it or a way to extract it from the 10.4.11 download without installing the whole thing? Can pacifist do this?  SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection but it gave me Safari > 3. I have reverted to 10.4.9, which seems to be stable. However, Apple > does not seem to offer Safari 3 except as part of 10.4.11. Does anybody > know a way to get it or a way to extract it from the 10.4.11 download > without installing the whole thing? Can pacifist do this? Given that you don't have to register Pacifist if you don't want to, why don't you play around with it and see? SignatureW. Oates > > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection but it gave me Safari > > 3. I have reverted to 10.4.9, which seems to be stable. However, Apple [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Given that you don't have to register Pacifist if you don't want to, why > don't you play around with it and see? No time right now. I know it works on DVDs but I never tried it on a downloaded file. I gues if it come down as a dmg it might work, but it is a 30Mb download an would take a really long tim! SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > Given that you don't have to register Pacifist if you don't want to, why > > don't you play around with it and see? > > No time right now. I know it works on DVDs but I never tried it on a > downloaded file. I gues if it come down as a dmg it might work, but it > is a 30Mb download an would take a really long tim! Well, I found the time, downloaded the combo update, mounted it and tried pacifist. I was able to extract the safari.app. Unfortunately, it wouldn't run. Apparently, there is something else required from the update to make it work and I am not willing to risk my computer on 10.4.11. I will keep the download for a while. If anybody has any idea what else is needed and it is something I can extract I will try again. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > > Given that you don't have to register Pacifist if you don't want to, why > > > don't you play around with it and see? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I will keep the download for a while. If anybody has any idea what else > is needed and it is something I can extract I will try again. What's the problem with 10.4.11? I used it without any issues on three Macs prior to upgrading to Leopard. > What's the problem with 10.4.11? I used it without any issues on three > Macs prior to upgrading to Leopard. I wish I knew. I just checked the Apple forums today and found that several people have had problems. Some had problems with 10.4.10, although I did not. It may be computer dependent. I am running a 2.4Ghz MacBook Pro with an N Airport card. I hate to think we are getting into a Windows like situation where the software depends on the computer configuration. I would prefer to see it not work for everybody. It is much easier to diagnose problems. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > What's the problem with 10.4.11? I used it without any issues on three > > Macs prior to upgrading to Leopard. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > software depends on the computer configuration. I would prefer to see > it not work for everybody. It is much easier to diagnose problems. Strange. One of my three Apple computers is a first generation MacBook Pro (no AirPort N card) and 10.4.11 worked fine. What troubleshooting did you do? Could there have been a software conflict? > Strange. One of my three Apple computers is a first generation MacBook > Pro (no AirPort N card) and 10.4.11 worked fine. What troubleshooting > did you do? Could there have been a software conflict? Could have been, but I don't know from what. I re-installed 10.4.9 from disk and brought it up to 10.4.10. I installed everything from software update except the 2007-004 Airport update and the 10.4.11 OS X update. One or the other or both of these seems to be causing other people problems. I seem to be stable at this point. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > Strange. One of my three Apple computers is a first generation MacBook > > Pro (no AirPort N card) and 10.4.11 worked fine. What troubleshooting [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > One or the other or both of these seems to be causing other people > problems. I seem to be stable at this point. I was thinking about this and I believe the problem did not crop up until after I installed Google Desktop. The 2007-004 Airport update for the N card came out about the same time as 10.4.10, so I would have installed it then, and I had no problems. 10.4.11 came out about a month ago and I installed it and I do not believe I had any problems at that time. Removing Google Desktop did not remove the problem and that may have lead me astray. Right now I am stable. I want to keep it that way because I am going away over Christmas. However, when I return, I will install 2007-004 and run it for a week or two. Then I will install 10.4.11 and do the same. Then I will try Google Desktop again to see what happens. It is possible that Google Desktop triggered something installed by 2007-004 and/or 10.4.11 that was dormant but once triggered could not be removed simply be removing Google Desktop. I'll have to check that out. Third party programs could explain why some people have the problem and some don't. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > > Given that you don't have to register Pacifist if you don't want to, why > > > don't you play around with it and see? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I will keep the download for a while. If anybody has any idea what else > is needed and it is something I can extract I will try again. Much of the real work of Safari is in WebKit.framework, not Safari.app. Safari 3.x requires the newer WebKit. SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection I don't like the sound of this. Remind me not to upgrade to this. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-41E1A2.10065021122007@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection > > I don't like the sound of this. Remind me not to upgrade to this. Upgrading to 10.4.11 had absolutely no effect on my Internet connection. Now what do you say? SignatureD.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. (William Pitt the Younger, 1783) In article <dfmanno-E25977.18100120122007@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-41E1A2.10065021122007@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Now what do you say? I say I must remember to upgrade after I finish this lot of work I have... <g> Signaturedorayme > > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection > > I don't like the sound of this. Remind me not to upgrade to this. I've installed 10.4.11 on one computer of mine, and observed it or installed it for several other people, and haven't had any problems with Internet connections. Perhaps Robert could be more specific about the problem and it might be feasible to fix it so he can use 10.4.11. Getting Safari 3 to work on earlier versions is likely to be extremely difficult. Safari depends on two major frameworks (WebKit and WebCore) which you would also have to update, and they in turn are likely to depend on new code in other system frameworks in 10.4.11. One issue is that 10.4.11 is likely to include a fair amount of "Leopard compatibility" support at the API level, so applications can be written to target Leopard but will be able to easily support 10.4.11 as well (as long as they don't require new features which are only available in Leopard). This was the case with 10.3.9 and Tiger. Safari 3 is primarily a Leopard application, but Apple are also supporting it on 10.4.11. A counterargument is that the earlier betas ran on 10.4.10, so that may mean there was enough support in 10.4.10 to let Safari 3 work. The final release may have made changes which rule out 10.4.10 as well. 10.4.9 is much less likely. iLife '08 and iWork '08 are in a similar position. If you install them on Tiger, they need to install some additional system-level support code which is standard on Leopard. SignatureDavid Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz > > > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > on Tiger, they need to install some additional system-level support code > which is standard on Leopard. I now say I might wait a while longer still. I am so perfectly happy with my setup, it is embarrassing to admit to you young progressive things you. Signaturedorayme > > > Upgrading to 10.4.11 killed my internet connection > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Perhaps Robert could be more specific about the problem and it might be > feasible to fix it so he can use 10.4.11. Researching this way after the fact I discovered that there have been a lot of problems with 10.4.11 and certain computers. I happen to have an Intel MacBook Pro. The symptom is that I have good signal strength from the router but no actual connection. I cannot even access the router's control panel. The only cure was to restart the computer. Although some claim clicking on the icon will fix it, this has not worked for me. Nor has turning Airport off and back on. I am now back on 10.4.9, debating an upgrade to 10.4.10, and all is well. I also run anacron and it was running every job twice on 10.4.11. On 10.4.9 each job runs once. I don't know that 10.4.11 was the sole problem. In fact, I think Airport was working okay for a couple of weeks, although anacron as not. However, once it started to act up there was no correcting it. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > iLife '08 and iWork '08 are in a similar position. If you install them > on Tiger, they need to install some additional system-level support code > which is standard on Leopard. I have iLife '08 installed on 10.4.9. I only use iPhoto, but it seems to be fine. I bought the software separately and it is possible it adds the extra stuff it needs during installation. SignatureRobert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA 724-941-6883 bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac] rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office] > > iLife '08 and iWork '08 are in a similar position. If you install them > > on Tiger, they need to install some additional system-level support code [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to be fine. I bought the software separately and it is possible it adds > the extra stuff it needs during installation. Yes, it works fine on Tiger - I wasn't suggesting otherwise. My point is that it installs some additional software components under Tiger which it doesn't need to do if you installed it under Leopard, because Leopard already has those additional software components. Apple released iLife '08 and iWork '08 while 10.4.10 was current. For some reason, they only require 10.4.9 for iLife (perhaps it was ready earlier but they wanted to release them together). Safari 3 beta was later, and it is more heavily integrated into system components than a normal application (due to the system-wide use of WebKit and WebCore). SignatureDavid Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz > Apple released iLife '08 and iWork '08 while 10.4.10 was current. For > some reason, they only require 10.4.9 for iLife (perhaps it was ready > earlier but they wanted to release them together). however, the webpages that iweb '08 creates will cause a warning to be posted if safari from 10.4.9 or earlier is used to view it. |
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