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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / December 2007G3 Powerbook: Trouble Installing Adobe Reader
A relative has a G3 Powerbook, which for doing the relatively light duty tasks that she needs a computer for, it is quite appropriate. Supposedly, it is possible to get Adobe 5 reader working on this thing. I was able to download the reader archive from the web site, and I extracted the archive with Stuffit Expander, but now the expanded Installer will not do anything. Instead, I get a message that says that "Stuffit Expander" can't be found. I have attempted to open the installer directly with Stuffit Expander as once or twice I was able to get further expansion doing that, but so far that has not worked. It already has a copy of the Adobe 3.0 reader on it. However, that doesn't work either because it can't find the ~ATM control pannel. I have tried turning this control panel on, but upon restart the control panel is turned off again.  Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. > A relative has a G3 Powerbook, which for doing the relatively light duty > tasks that she needs a computer for, it is quite appropriate. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tried turning this control panel on, but upon restart the control panel is > turned off again. Can you open it on a more modern Mac, put it on a USB jump drive, then plug the jump drive into the G3 and copy it over? > Can you open it on a more modern Mac, put it on a USB jump drive, then > plug the jump drive into the G3 and copy it over? It doesn't have USB (yet....). It has SCSI, which I might be able to pull off with an Iomega ZIP drive I have kicking around. It has two empty slots in the side where you can put in expansion cards, and I happen to have one in the bone yard that (in theory anyway) will do USB. However, due to the problems with the ~ATM control panel self-turning off, I was not wanting to get involved in anything that would require any more extensions or control panels until I figured out what was causing that, or if anyone had seen that before. Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. > A relative has a G3 Powerbook, which for doing the relatively light duty > tasks that she needs a computer for, it is quite appropriate. Can you be more specific? There were several "G3 powebooks". The first, the Kanga, aka 3500 was a 3400 upgraded to use a G3 processor. It's limited in RAM, hard drives and will support MacOS up to 9.1. You can install 9.2 on it with "OS9helper", but you loose the ethernet port and other things. 9.1 requires relatively a lot of RAM and hard disk space, and many 3500's are not up to it. The next model was the Wallstreet. It has an ADB/mouse keyboard port and SCSI. You can put almost any size hard drive (must boot from a partition within the first 8gig) and up to 512mb of PC-100 SODIMM's. It will run OS9.2.2 and OSX up to Tiger with XPostFacto. The next model was the Wallstreet PDQ, which looks the same but uses PC-66 SODIMM's. Note that Tiger will tell you the charge on the battery of a PDQ, but not an orginal Wallstreet. The next model is a Lombard, with a Brozne Keyboard, SCSI and USB instead of ADB. It will run OSX up to 10.3 and Tiger with XPostFacto. The last was the Pismo, with firewire instead of SCSI and USB instead of ADB. It will run TIger out of the box. Knowing the model will help if you need to expand it. but what we really need to know is what version of MacOS are your running, how much RAM you have and free hard disk space. > Supposedly, it is possible to get Adobe 5 reader working on this thing. I > was able to download the reader archive from the web site, and I extracted > the archive with Stuffit Expander, but now the expanded Installer will not > do anything. Instead, I get a message that says that "Stuffit Expander" > can't be found. You may also want to upgrade stuffit expander. Laterversions were on the MacOS CD's and even later ones can be dowloaded from the Alume Systems web site. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > Knowing the model will help if you need to expand it. but what we really > need to know is what version of MacOS are your running, how much RAM you > have and free hard disk space. There's at least 5 gig of hard drive space - there's nothing on the thing other than the OS and a few internet applications. There doesn't seem to be a RAM problem. > The next model was the Wallstreet PDQ, which looks the same but uses > PC-66 SODIMM's. Note that Tiger will tell you the charge on the battery of > a PDQ, but not an orginal Wallstreet. I think it may be a Wallstreet based on the descriptions that I have seen of the several models, but I'm not exactly certain. The area under the screen only says "Powerbook G3". It has ADB and a high density mini-SCSI connector. Possibly it is a PDQ Wallstreet. Both batteries that came with it are dead to the point where the OS says that they don't exist (red mark through the battery level by the Desktop clock). This pretty much eliminates the possibility of using the battery level indicator to determine which it is. Purchased new, it came with OS9 install disks. It has been upgraded by the previous owner to 9.2, but possibly not correctly (don't powerbooks require a special version of the system software?). Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. > Possibly it is a PDQ Wallstreet. Both batteries that came with it are > dead to the point where the OS says that they don't exist (red mark > through the battery level by the Desktop clock). This pretty much > eliminates the possibility of using the battery level indicator to > determine which it is. This sounds like a different problem. Download and run "battery reset". If the cells are bad, it won't do anything but waste a few hours, if they are good but the controler circuit in the battery was malfunctioning, it may bring them back. Do it and let them sit out of the laptop overnight, then do it again. Repeat several times to get your battery up to it's peak, which may be far less than the original capacity, or none at all. If you plan to really use it, it's cheaper to have a professional rebuild the battery packs than buy new ones, if you can find them. > Purchased new, it came with OS9 install disks. It has been upgraded by > the previous owner to 9.2, but possibly not correctly (don't powerbooks > require a special version of the system software?). The 9.2.2 update worked for all versions of 9.2.1. If someone was able to get a machine specific version (e.g. iMAC) OS9 to install on it, it may be missing something. What is more likely, is that something was added/deleted that messed things up. Post your general location and someone with an OS9 disk may come to your rescue. Or you can install the original operating system from the install disks, and upgrade via downloads. Read the instructions carefully, there is specific order to install them. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > If you plan to really use it, it's cheaper to have a professional > rebuild the battery packs than buy new ones, if you can find them. The only real use that she has for the batteries right now is to keep the system clock going when it is unplugged. Right now, you can unplug it and move it across the room, but any power outage longer than that means resetting the clock. When it is first turned on, the LEDs on the battery flash very briefly. Does that indicate anything? Thanks very much for the tip on "battery reset". I will definitely take a look at that. > The 9.2.2 update worked for all versions of 9.2.1. If someone was able > to get a machine specific version (e.g. iMAC) OS9 to install on it, it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the install disks, and upgrade via downloads. Read the instructions > carefully, there is specific order to install them. I have the OS9 disk that came with the system when it was sold new. I also have the several folders of downloaded stuff that contain the upgrades that presumably the previous owner used to upgrade. With OS 9.2 installed and (sort of) working, won't it screw things up a bit if I back-date it to the original OS 9? Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. >> Knowing the model will help if you need to expand it. but what we really >> need to know is what version of MacOS are your running, how much RAM you [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > eliminates the possibility of using the battery level indicator to > determine which it is. If the CD drive also can read DVD and the keyboaard is - more or less - transparent, it is a Lombard, but with your descriptions, I'm most likely to think it is a wallstreet... > Purchased new, it came with OS9 install disks. It has been upgraded by > the previous owner to 9.2, but possibly not correctly (don't powerbooks > require a special version of the system software?). Yes, either the accompagened disks or a retail Mac os 9.0.4, 9.1.0, 9.2.1 or 9.2.2 CD can also be used. Wallstreet requires at least 9.0.4, Lombard requires 9.1. cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If the CD drive also can read DVD and the keyboaard is - more or less -=20 > transparent, it is a Lombard, but with your descriptions, I'm most=20 > likely to think it is a wallstreet... The keyboard is good old fashioned black. I'm not sure about reading DVDs, but I noticed some DVD extensions and control panels while I was going through the apprpriate folders. As to weather those extensions actually communicate with anything is something I haven't tried yet. Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. >> If the CD drive also can read DVD and the keyboaard is - more or less -=20 >> transparent, it is a Lombard, but with your descriptions, I'm most=20 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > going through the apprpriate folders. As to weather those extensions > actually communicate with anything is something I haven't tried yet. OK, then I'm nearl sure it's a Wallstreet... The CD/DVD drivers and extensions are all installed as default in Os 9.1 and newer. Though, - some of the specific DVD extensions will normally not be installed unless there is either a built-in DVD read/write drive or an external DVD drive were connected at the time of installation. Cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My thanks to all who helped. Today I got the Adobe 5 working. It took quite some time for me to find the correct version of the Stuffit Unstuff-er. Their web site wasn't particularly helpful with finding older versions of their software. Typing various versions of what I needed into Google didn't get much results either until today I finally got the right combination of words to lead me directly to the package I needed. I think this wound up being something along the lines of "Stuffit Expander MacOS 9.2" which led reasonably directly to the package I needed. This unpacked the Adobe package into a nice usable program. I was unable to find any copies of Adobe 4.0, so that (as suggested by some) wasn't an option. It took quite some time to install, until I realized that it was trying to download something like 150 meg of Asian fonts over the dialup connection. Hitting cancel and doing a more correct install for the use it will get solved that problem. I'm not sure what it did with the 70 or so meg of fonts that it did get while I was watching a game on TV, but I'm not so sure I care. There's still about 5 gig of hard disk space available, and 192 meg of RAM, with 193 more of VirtualRAM. I bumped up the RAM settings for iCab (double the default settings, which is still only a fraction of the RAM built into the computer) which seemed to make that go a bit faster. So, thank you all very much and Merry Christmas. Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. As suggested I would try a later version of Stuffit. I recall there's no clues given by Stuffit if there's a version incompatibility. Also, why not try Acrobat Reader 4. This opens all the pdfs I come across. It doesn't need ATM and it only requires system 7.1.2 as opposed to 8.6 for Reader 5. G. > As suggested I would try a later version of Stuffit. I recall there's no > clues given by Stuffit if there's a version incompatibility. > Also, why not try Acrobat Reader 4. This opens all the pdfs I come > across. It doesn't need ATM and it only requires system 7.1.2 as opposed > to 8.6 for Reader 5. Yes, and Adobe reader 4.x is working far much better on any classic OS than ver. 5.x. The older versions can be found here: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/mac The one that works best is the Acrobatreader with Search 4.05 ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/mac/4.x/rs405eng.hqx cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > As suggested I would try a later version of Stuffit. I recall there's no > clues given by Stuffit if there's a version incompatibility. > Also, why not try Acrobat Reader 4. This opens all the pdfs I come > across. It doesn't need ATM and it only requires system 7.1.2 as opposed > to 8.6 for Reader 5. Thanks (for all who suggested it) for the thought on using Reader 4 and getting a new version of Stuffit. I'll see what I can do with that. If it gets around the problem with the ~ATM control panel, then I guess I should be alright with that. Signature-Glennl e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317. |
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