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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / December 2007Status of SuperDuper 2.1.5 (for Leopard)
Like many others I have been waiting and looking forward to Shirt Pocket Software to release version 2.1.5 of SuperDuper that will be Leopard compatible. The last news update on 5-Dec-07 at <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/> did not include a projected release date. The writer Dave Nanian has been good with weekly status reports and updates but has not posted anything this week (as of Friday noon 14-Dec-07). I can only conclude the Leopard update has become more involved than was anticipated. I do not care for Apple's Time Machine concept and having some backup is better than no backup so I have continued to use the old Tiger version of SuperDuper. Once I cleared the 10.5 ACL issues, the old SuperDuper stated working again. I have had no problems with SD under OS X 10.5.1 and can boot from the SD cloned drive. I know CCC has been updated for Leopard but it requires a full backup each time. In view of the SD delays, maybe it is time for me to find another backup solution. I wonder what others are using? In article <arkayREMOVE-735769.13285614122007@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, aRKay <arkayREMOVE@qsl.net> wrote: > I do not care for Apple's Time Machine concept and having some backup is > better than no backup so I have continued to use the old Tiger version > of SuperDuper. Once I cleared the 10.5 ACL issues, the old SuperDuper > stated working again. I have had no problems with SD under OS X 10.5.1 > and can boot from the SD cloned drive. what 10.5 acl issues, and what did you do to clear them? from what i've been reading in their forums, you are *very* lucky that it works. > I know CCC has been updated for Leopard but it requires a full backup > each time. In view of the SD delays, maybe it is time for me to find > another backup solution. I wonder what others are using? ccc 3 will do incremental updates, however, it has some non-obvious name for it. > > I do not care for Apple's Time Machine concept and having some backup is > > better than no backup so I have continued to use the old Tiger version [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what 10.5 acl issues, and what did you do to clear them? from what > i've been reading in their forums, you are *very* lucky that it works. Right after the upgrade from 10.4.11 to 10.5 I tried to run SD and it failed with an error message about ACL errors. I had never heard of an ACL at that time but the 10.5 Disk Utility came up all kinds of ACL warnings and said they could not be repaired. I will noy waste your time with the ACL issues but I wipped them by using the Mac Pilot utility. It worked great and SD started working as soon as I cleared the ACL's. Several have pointed out there is nothing wrong with the ACL warning and Apple has been running silent on the subject. Anyway, the Mac Pilot cleared the errors and old SD has been working perfect with 10.5. 1. > Anyway, the > Mac Pilot cleared the errors and old SD has been working perfect with > 10.5. 1. I think I'll wait until the folk at shirt pocket officially support 10.5. Having something that "appears to work" is just not good enough for backup, particularly when the vendor specifically says that they know of problems.  SignatureRichard Maine | Good judgement comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgement. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain > ccc 3 will do incremental updates No, it won't. It can do a block-level copy of an entire volume to another volume of the same or greater size, or it can do a file-level copy of all or selected items on a volume; but it can't do a "smart" copy of only those files that are newer than the ones on the destination volume. > > ccc 3 will do incremental updates > > No, it won't. yes, it will. > It can do a block-level copy of an entire volume to > another volume of the same or greater size, or it can do a file-level > copy of all or selected items on a volume; but it can't do a "smart" > copy of only those files that are newer than the ones on the destination > volume. it most definitely will do incremental updates, but unfortunately, it isn't particularly obvious. by picking copy selected items, it copies files that are newer than what's on the target. files that have been deleted on the source drive but are still on the target can optionally be kept or archived. > it most definitely will do incremental updates, but unfortunately, it > isn't particularly obvious. by picking copy selected items, it copies > files that are newer than what's on the target. files that have been > deleted on the source drive but are still on the target can optionally > be kept or archived. You're right. The smart copy behavior is even described in CCC 3's Help. There is an interesting status report on SuperDuper v2.1.5 at <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/>. If you have any interest in SuperDuper this is a good read. > There is an interesting status report on SuperDuper v2.1.5 at > <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/>. > > If you have any interest in SuperDuper this is a good read. Interesting. To summarise: they are looking to release 2.1.5 in a few weeks, and have done extensive changes to improve its interaction with Time Machine. The main point is that it will be possible to have a Time Machine backup and a bootable SuperDuper clone on the same partition, and everything will just work. If so, that's pretty neat. It will also be possible to clone the entire backup volume (including the Time Machine backup) to another drive. It isn't clear how the two methods will interact on a volume which is approaching full. Time Machine will be able to delete its old backups, but what will SuperDuper do if there isn't enough space for its original backup or a Smart Update? Will it invoke deletion of old Time Machine backups? I've already partitioned my backup drive so I won't bump into this problem - I'll keep a clone backup (complete) in one partition and a Time Machine backup (partial) in the other one. SignatureDavid Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz Dear friends, will be possible to backup a BootCamp partition (NTFS or FAT32)? They are the most susceptible disk partitions to die in my Mac, because of the inherent weaknesses of Windows even if it is installed in a Mac. And they store valuable information too. >> There is an interesting status report on SuperDuper v2.1.5 at >> <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/>. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >problem - I'll keep a clone backup (complete) in one partition and a >Time Machine backup (partial) in the other one. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > Dear friends, will be possible to backup a BootCamp partition (NTFS or > FAT32)? superduper is not designed to clone bootcamp partitions. carbon copy cloner can clone it in block copy mode (which is not always available), as can any of a number of windows backup utilities. Dear friends: Please tell me specifically *which* windows partition backup utilities can backup a BootCamp partition, and I will be very happy. The problem is that they don't recognize a BootCamp partition as a valid windows partition. Neither Norton Ghost, or Acronis TrueImage (the two most popular ones) can see a BootCamp partition in order to make a complete backup of it. They are Windows utilities that can backup *files* of a BootCamp partition, but that is not what I am searching for. I want to know if there is a possibility to backup the complete BootCamp partition itself, not only its files. >> Dear friends, will be possible to backup a BootCamp partition (NTFS or >> FAT32)? > >superduper is not designed to clone bootcamp partitions. carbon copy >cloner can clone it in block copy mode (which is not always available), >as can any of a number of windows backup utilities. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > Please tell me specifically *which* windows partition backup utilities > can backup a BootCamp partition, and I will be very happy. The previous poster stated, as have others a while back, that Carbon Copy Cloner, a _Mac_ backup utility, can back up a BootCamp partition. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Dear Mike, there is a lot of confusion regarding this topic. Mike Bombich, who I understand is CarbonCopyCloner author emailed me a message telling me that "CCC does not currently support backing up an NTFS or FAT32 volume", se the message below. So, many people *suppose* that they are many Windows partition backup programs that they can backup BootCamp partitions, but in reality, they cannot see them, and also many people *suppose* that CCC can backup BootCamp partitions, but its author says that it cannot. So apparently, there isn't any trusted way to backup a BootCamp partition, and that is a great danger if you have critical processes and information there, as I have. Maybe that could be a good business opportunity for a Mac software producer, am I wrong? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bombich [mailto:mike@bombich.com] Sent: Martes, 11 de Diciembre de 2007 13:39 To: Juan I.Cahis Subject: Re: BootCamp backup failure ***DIAGNOSTIC HERE*** CCC does not currently support backing up an NTFS or FAT32 volume, so I don't expect this to work. I'm looking into adding this functionality for Leopard users. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Please tell me specifically *which* windows partition backup utilities >> can backup a BootCamp partition, and I will be very happy. > >The previous poster stated, as have others a while back, that Carbon >Copy Cloner, a _Mac_ backup utility, can back up a BootCamp partition. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > Dear Mike, there is a lot of confusion regarding this topic. Mike > Bombich, who I understand is CarbonCopyCloner author emailed me a > message telling me that "CCC does not currently support backing up an > NTFS or FAT32 volume", se the message below. it won't back up ntfs or fat32 volumes, but it *will* clone the *entire* drive in block copy mode to a same size (or larger) drive. that will give you an *exact* duplicate of the drive, partitions and all. however, carbon copy cloner may not be able to clone it in block copy mode, and it will then drop back to file copy mode which will skip the boot camp partition (and what mike probably thought you were asking). > So, many people *suppose* that they are many Windows partition backup > programs that they can backup BootCamp partitions, but in reality, > they cannot see them, and also many people *suppose* that CCC can > backup BootCamp partitions, but its author says that it cannot. i still don't see why you can't run a windows backup utility from within windows to back up the volume. > So apparently, there isn't any trusted way to backup a BootCamp > partition, and that is a great danger if you have critical processes > and information there, as I have. there is. Dear friends: >I still don't see why you can't run a windows backup utility from >within windows to back up the volume. I don't understand why too. But the best way to see it is to try it. I tried with the last versions of Symantec (Norton) Ghost, with the bootable CD of Acronis True Image, and also with Acronis True Image over BartPE Windows Preload Environment. Apparently, these utilities need a Windows Master Boot Record to identify a NTFS or a FAT32 partition, and I understand that Mac disks lacks such Windows MBR. There is no problem to backup *files* of a NTFS or FAT32 partition, but that is not what I want to do. >> So apparently, there isn't any trusted way to backup a BootCamp >> partition, and that is a great danger if you have critical processes >> and information there, as I have. >there is. Please, if it is one, tell me the best way to do it. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > >I still don't see why you can't run a windows backup utility from > >within windows to back up the volume. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > need a Windows Master Boot Record to identify a NTFS or a FAT32 > partition, and I understand that Mac disks lacks such Windows MBR. the mac will have a guid partition table (gpt). > There is no problem to backup *files* of a NTFS or FAT32 partition, > but that is not what I want to do. why? Dear friends: >> There is no problem to backup *files* of a NTFS or FAT32 partition, >> but that is not what I want to do. > >why? Well, I have done it as a last resource, but it will make the restore process a lot more dangerous and difficult, in the case of a serious accident. If you have a serious accident, and you have an up to date full image of your BootCamp partition, you will need only to restore it, and that's all. If you have a file backup only, you will need to recreate the partition, to format it, to make it bootable (taking care not to make your Mac partition un bootable!!!!), then to restore the files. After doing that, all could be OK, or maybe if something went wrong, you will discover that you will not be able to boot in the restored BootCamp partition, of if you smashed the "guid partition table" of your hard disk trying wrongly to create an MBR, you will end with an un bootable Mac. It seems to me that the whole process to restore a BootCamp partition from backup files is not well understood and documented, as we have seen in this discussion, which has been fully with contradictions. Thanks Juan I. Cahis Santiago de Chile (South America) Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it! > I wonder what others are using? SilverKeeper, freeware from LaCie. The current version, 1.1.4, was released back in Jul, 2005, but it's working flawlessly with 10.5.1, even though LaCie makes no mention of anything later than 10.4.10. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > I wonder what others are using? > > SilverKeeper, freeware from LaCie. The current version, 1.1.4, was > released back in Jul, 2005, but it's working flawlessly with 10.5.1, > even though LaCie makes no mention of anything later than 10.4.10. according to <http://blog.plasticsfuture.org/2006/04/23/mac-backup-software-harmful/> silverkeeper 1.1.4 doesn't preserve bsd flags, hfs+ extended attributes or acls. i'm somewhat surprised it is 'working flawlessly' in leopard. also, that survey was done in 2006, and some of the problems he found in the various tools have been fixed, but apparently not silverkeeper... > The last news update on 5-Dec-07 at <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/> > did not include a projected release date. The writer Dave Nanian has > been good with weekly status reports and updates but has not posted > anything this week (as of Friday noon 14-Dec-07). I can only conclude > the Leopard update has become more involved than was anticipated. Is that truly the only conclusion you can reach? I'm asking because I can think of quite a few other possibilities with very little effort, such as work and family obligations, health issues, the fact that it's mid-December... Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/musings.cgi> Muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart > > The last news update on 5-Dec-07 at <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/> > > did not include a projected release date. The writer Dave Nanian has [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > such as work and family obligations, health issues, the fact that it's > mid-December... And to answer the other part of the question, about what people are doing for now, at least in my case... My SuperDuper backup disk is still sitting powered off with my backup from right before upgrading to 10.5. It is seeming like it is about time for me to refresh it soon, once SD for 10.5 is released. The odds of my going back to 10.4 have become pretty negligable. Yes, there are some occasional small things I don't like about 10.5 (including the lack of a supported SD yet), but by now, the hassle of going back would be far bigger than any hassle of staying where I am. Anyway, though that backup is getting a bit stale, it still is something to limit the damage. I also am using Time Machine on a separate (newly purchased for the purpose) external drive. And I'm using Mozy for a remote backup. I've got the paid version so that I can do more than the 2GB of free space. I wouldn't count on it as my only source, particularly as it is still in beta. When I first started it, several months ago, well before 10.5, it seemed a bit flaky. But it has seemed a lot more stable in recent months. I have been able to mostly ignore it, just checking every once in a while to see that all is ok. With Mozy + Time Machine + pre-10.5 SD backup, I feel reasonably secure. At least it is adequate for my personal paranoia level. SignatureRichard Maine | Good judgement comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgement. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain aRKay schreef op 14/12/2007 : > I wonder what others are using? I use DejaVu, works great now under Leopard. <http://propagandaprod.com> SignatureGreets ßiagio® MesNews @ Parallels :-D In article <arkayREMOVE-735769.13285614122007@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > I know CCC has been updated for Leopard but it requires a full backup > each time. In view of the SD delays, maybe it is time for me to find > another backup solution. I wonder what others are using? I use Disk Utility to make bootable clones of the systems; I do this after major upgrades or when I install and configure some nice new piece of software. I use rsync to make daily backups of our home directories and Herself's email stuff and anything else she's squirreled away on her external HD. Version 3 of rsync handles acls and Mac xattrs. I should probably be using CCC to do the bootable images, because it's got the ability to exclude stuff (passes it through rsync first), like the 8 gig XP Pro file and my Aperture libraries, which are backed up separately anyway. Right now I move them before I make the disc image/clone. SignatureW. Oates |
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