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MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b1 available

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Simon Fraser - 02 Dec 2007 03:48 GMT
I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
from:

http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/downloading.html

Fixes in include:
  Improved typing performance by not flushing the graphics port
     on every caret blink.
  Greyscale images now display correctly.
  Fixed authentication issues when not saving the password in Keychain
  Fixed the display of the help images on Intel machines.
  Fixed a hang on 10.5 when extracting binaries on showing a "Choose
     folder" dialog (and some other related hangs).
  Fixed a hang on 10.5 after posting a message (deadlock when
     destroying the spell checker object).

Please let me know if you run into any issues with this version.

Simon
Michelle Steiner - 02 Dec 2007 05:23 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Simon, in 3.5.2, whenever I post a new message, I get an alert about a
font mismatch.  It looks like you fixed it in 3.5.3.

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John Rethorst - 02 Dec 2007 05:50 GMT
> Fixes in include:

>    Fixed authentication issues when not saving the password in Keychain

I went from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2 and then reverted to 3.5.1 because of issues using
Keychain - it would not remember the password or otherwise not authenticate, as
best I remember now. This on OS 10.4.x - whatever was current. Any change there?

It's interesting that with all the web-based forums, I still find much more
expertise on usenet, and look at over 20 newsgroups every day, as well as
specific visits to others as needed. Thanks again for your fine contribution to
the community.

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Simon Fraser - 02 Dec 2007 05:51 GMT
> > Fixes in include:
>
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> best I remember now. This on OS 10.4.x - whatever was current. Any change
> there?

Yes, that fix affects all operating systems.

Simon
M-M - 02 Dec 2007 07:05 GMT
> I went from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2 and then reverted to 3.5.1 because of issues using
> Keychain - it would not remember the password or otherwise not authenticate,
> as
> best I remember now. This on OS 10.4.x - whatever was current. Any change
> there?

The authentication issue (mail not being sent from a post but posting to
usenet going through) is resolved in 3.5.2 by changing the settings in
Personalities> Mail Server to Authentication: None. Or something in
those settings like that.

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Marc Heusser - 02 Dec 2007 13:25 GMT
Dear Simon

> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
> from:
>
> http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/downloading.html

Thank you!

I will let you know if I encounter any more issues.

Marc

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-= Peter Griffin =- - 02 Dec 2007 13:36 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Thanks for the update. Great program.
Lionel Mychkine - 02 Dec 2007 14:09 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues.

The best newsreader is still upgraded. Thank you Simon.

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grandpamike - 02 Dec 2007 14:54 GMT
Is this the best newsreader for Mac, as I am a new convert, and have been using Forte Agent ?

> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon
Michelle Steiner - 02 Dec 2007 16:41 GMT
> Is this the best newsreader for Mac,

The best newsreader for the Mac is a topic that is highly debated, and
debatable.  You will never find a consensus.

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Wayne C. Morris - 02 Dec 2007 17:12 GMT
> Is this the best newsreader for Mac, as I am a new convert, and have been
> using Forte Agent ?

"The best newsreader" is a hotly debated topic.  MT-NewsWatcher, Unison,
HogWatcher, and Soup are all popular choices.  Which one you like will
depend mostly on whether you prefer to have one big window divided into
panes, or a bunch of separate windows; MT-NW uses the latter style.  
Newsreaders also differ in how they deal with downloading binaries and
using accounts on two or more news servers, and again, it's mostly a
question of what you want it to do, not whether it's "good" or "bad".
grandpamike - 02 Dec 2007 17:38 GMT
Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the
three pane view which I have gotten used to.

>> Is this the best newsreader for Mac, as I am a new convert, and have been
>> using Forte Agent ?
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> using accounts on two or more news servers, and again, it's mostly a
> question of what you want it to do, not whether it's "good" or "bad".
Michelle Steiner - 02 Dec 2007 17:42 GMT
> Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I
> like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the three pane view
> which I have gotten used to.

In  that case, give Unison a try.  Personally, I prefer MT NewsWatcher,
which uses separate windows.

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Russell E. Owen - 03 Dec 2007 20:13 GMT
> > Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I
> > like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the three pane view
> > which I have gotten used to.
>
> In  that case, give Unison a try.  Personally, I prefer MT NewsWatcher,
> which uses separate windows.

I also greatly prefer MT NewsWatcher. Some advantages over Unison:
* Filtering is much easier to use yet very powerful. You can easily:
** Highlight or kill a topic or author
** Set the scope of a filter (meaning which newsgroups it covers)
** Set the duration of a filter (e.g. 2 weeks after last use)
* You can fetch messages from all subscribed newsgroups at once if you
like (though it limits the number of connections to avoid overloading
the server). This makes reading faster. Unison only allows fetching
messages from one group at a time.
* It is much easier to manage groups because you can
subscribe/unsubscribe using drag and drop.
* It is much easier to use multiple newsreaders (I use gmane in addition
to a server of normal news); Unison supports it, but in a rather clumsy
way.

On the other hand MT NewsWatcher crashes often for me (even the new
version, alas). Something about SSL. Save often when posting. If not
using SSL then don't worry about it.

-- Russell
Simon Fraser - 04 Dec 2007 04:06 GMT
> > > Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I
> > > like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the three pane view
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> version, alas). Something about SSL. Save often when posting. If not
> using SSL then don't worry about it.

Try 3.5.3b1, and if it still crashes or hangs send me crash logs.

Thanks
Simon
Doc O'Leary - 04 Dec 2007 14:13 GMT
> > > Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I
> > > like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the three pane view
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> I also greatly prefer MT NewsWatcher. Some advantages over Unison:
> * Filtering is much easier to use yet very powerful.

The unfortunate flip side is that the management window given with Show
Group Filters is *tiny* and cannot be resized.  It's a real pain to
have, as I do, hundreds of filters with MT-NewsWatcher.

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Simon Fraser - 04 Dec 2007 17:30 GMT
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<droleary.usenet-A6C990.08132804122007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

> > > > Thanks for your reply. I guess I will have to try a few to see what I
> > > > like. As I said, I use Forte Agent, and it has the three pane view
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> Group Filters is *tiny* and cannot be resized.  It's a real pain to
> have, as I do, hundreds of filters with MT-NewsWatcher.

Try the "real" filters window. Window menu, "Show Filters List".

Simon
Doc O'Leary - 05 Dec 2007 15:36 GMT
> In article
> <droleary.usenet-A6C990.08132804122007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
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>
> Try the "real" filters window. Window menu, "Show Filters List".

Wacky!  I knew that another window came up when you selected a filter
directly from an article window, but I never noticed that menu item
before.  Any chance you could unify to that one style?  And while I'm
making filter requests, I would *really* like to see a "Save and Apply"
button in the creation dialog that simply uses the new filter on the
current group.  Having to select the Refilter Articles menu can be a
pain, especially when it takes a long time to apply *all* the filters to
*all* the articles.

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M-M - 05 Dec 2007 16:31 GMT
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<droleary.usenet-BA66E1.09365305122007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

>  I would *really* like to see

What I'd really like is a "Check for New Articles on all Servers"
(perhaps opt-cmd-Y), or a contextual menu item for same, or when I hold
down the dock icon I'd like to see that choice pop up.

I use 2 servers and I'm always hitting cmd-Y/tab/cmd-Y. I can't seem to
make an Applescript to do that and often it's easiest to just quit and
relaunch MT.

But *Thank you* Simon for fixing the inline grayscale images. I can now
see the xrays sent to me.
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John Varela - 04 Dec 2007 19:54 GMT
> "The best newsreader" is a hotly debated topic.  MT-NewsWatcher, Unison,
> HogWatcher, and Soup are all popular choices.

I chose Hogwasher because it has better filters than the other newsreaders I
looked at.

I do not recommend it.

It crashes a lot.  It appears to crash merely because there are too many
messages in a thread and some table is overflowing (I subscribe to a couple
of news groups that tend to have hundreds of messages in one thread). In some
cases it appears to crash because a particular message has something in the
header that Hogwasher can't deal with -- and the longer the thread, the
greater the likelihood that a problem header will be posted.

I reported these problems to the developer but there didn't seem to be much
interest in maintaining the program.

Another problem with Hogwasher and long threads is that the thread display
won't go more than 32 replies deep.

Hogwasher won't let me set up an outgoing mail server unless I also set up an
incoming server, but I don't want to use Hogwasher as my mail program.  
Therefore I can't respond by mail to a news group posting unless I cut and
paste into Mail.

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aRKay - 02 Dec 2007 15:49 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Thank you!

I will let you know if I encounter any issues with the hang on send

arkay
aRKay - 02 Dec 2007 15:51 GMT
In article
<arkayREMOVE-097A0C.09495802122007@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>,

> > I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> > which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> arkay

The above test worked PERFECT..... no hangs.  

Thank you again
Megadave - 02 Dec 2007 19:17 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Awesome Simon... I was really bummed with this stopped working.. Thanks for
your efforts..

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Megadave - 02 Dec 2007 20:03 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
> from:

Simon,

When trying to access a SSL-secured newsgroup I get a -9824 error. This same
group works with Thunderbird and NewsmanPro (on WinXP).

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Simon Fraser - 02 Dec 2007 20:15 GMT
> > I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> > which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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> When trying to access a SSL-secured newsgroup I get a -9824 error. This same
> group works with Thunderbird and NewsmanPro (on WinXP).

This is a "errSSLPeerHandshakeFail" error, which suggests that perhaps
the server has a non-verifying certificate; it may have expired. Is this
a server I can test?

Simon
Megadave - 02 Dec 2007 21:02 GMT
>> > I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
>> > which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Lemme see what I can do.

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Henry Flam - 02 Dec 2007 20:35 GMT
> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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>
> Simon

Simon, thanks for producing this fine application, so in spite my
sometimes grumbles about how it works, and deficiencies, please continue
to develop my favorite newsreader. I am running the latest version of
Tiger and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, is there a
point, for me, to upgrade to version 3.5.3b1?
Simon Fraser - 02 Dec 2007 21:06 GMT
> > I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,
> > which fixes a number of Leopard compatibility issues. It's available
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> Tiger and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, is there a
> point, for me, to upgrade to version 3.5.3b1?

Yes, the new version fixes a number of bugs that affect MW-NW
irrespective of OS.

Simon
delete this - 03 Dec 2007 08:51 GMT
> Yes, the new version fixes a number of bugs that affect MW-NW
> irrespective of OS.
>
> Simon

Can you fix the reading of multipart binary posts where the ISP adds an
advertizment after each part? MT-NW aborts as soon as it sees an ad like
the following:

These posts can be read by using save as and an editor to delete the
ads, but that seems more user work than many are willing to do.

Thanks for your continued maintenance of
MT-NW.
Simon Fraser - 03 Dec 2007 16:30 GMT
> > Yes, the new version fixes a number of bugs that affect MW-NW
> > irrespective of OS.
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> Thanks for your continued maintenance of
> MT-NW.

Can you point me to an example of such a post?

Thanks
Simon
delete this - 04 Dec 2007 01:28 GMT
> > Can you fix the reading of multipart binary posts where the ISP adds an
> > advertizment after each part? MT-NW aborts as soon as it sees an ad like
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thanks
> Simon

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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:01:47 -0600
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J.P. Kuypers - 03 Dec 2007 14:49 GMT
In article (Dans l'article)
<smfr-BF739C.19484501122007@news.giganews.com>, Simon Fraser
<smfr@smfr.org> wrote (écrivait) :

> I've made available a beta release of MT-NewsWatcher, version 3.5.3b1,

The French.lproj folder, F3.5.3b1, for MT-NewsWatcher is now available
at <ftp://ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/News/MTNewsWatcher/>.

And maybe soon on one of the mirrors :

    <ftp://ftp.calvacom.fr/pub/mac-fr/>
    <ftp://ftp.oleane.fr/pub/mirrors/version-francaise/>
    <ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/>
    <ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/Mac/UCL/>
    <ftp://ftp.cidif.org/mac/>
    <ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/>

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