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iTunes store - money disappears :-(

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Marc Heusser - 17 Oct 2007 18:40 GMT
I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
ultimate money printing machine:

If you put money on it eg for your kids, the money expires after some
time: first song bought on 23 April 2007, disappeared 15 October 2007 -  
even without any warning.

First time I ever tried that - I will not repeat the experience.

Bad design, and quite contrary to a pleasant experience.

Marc

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Dave Balderstone - 17 Oct 2007 19:38 GMT
> I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
> ultimate money printing machine:
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> Bad design, and quite contrary to a pleasant experience.

Did you contact ITMS support?

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Marc Heusser - 17 Oct 2007 21:32 GMT
> > I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
> > ultimate money printing machine:
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>
> Did you contact ITMS support?

Yes - I did get a first response, and I am tracking what happened.

It seems genuine iTunes gift certificates do not expire, but I had
bought the codes through a customer loyalty programme in Switzerland.
The points there are freely tradeable and transferrable and have a
standard price.
As of now it seems they do indeed buy codes, and Apple only charges them
for what gets redeemed within a certain period. So it is not Apple
making the extra profit but the store (similar to Safeway for example).
Exactly the same as the promotion codes in beverages' caps etc except
that payment for these codes is similar to a credit card.

I will followup when I have the details. It looks like I have been
barking up the wrong tree.

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Dave Balderstone - 17 Oct 2007 21:59 GMT
> > > I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
> > > ultimate money printing machine:
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> I will followup when I have the details. It looks like I have been
> barking up the wrong tree.

So it's the loyalty points that have expired?

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Marc Heusser - 18 Oct 2007 01:07 GMT
> > > > I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
> > > > ultimate money printing machine:
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> So it's the loyalty points that have expired?

No, the iTunes credit (30 songs) I got for the points :-(

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Jamie Kahn Genet - 19 Oct 2007 07:07 GMT
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@cheersheusser.commercialspammers.invalid>
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> > > > > I am shocked to find that the iTunes store seems to have found the
> > > > > ultimate money printing machine:
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> Marc

So they expire after six months? Well, I suppose that is rather brief
(most similar things I'm aware off expire after a year), but I don't
know ANY iTunes users whose points would survive longer than a week. I'm
not sure I understand what you're getting so annoyed at. If you never
wanted to use the points what loss is losing them? :-D

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Marc Heusser - 19 Oct 2007 08:06 GMT
> So they expire after six months? Well, I suppose that is rather brief
> (most similar things I'm aware off expire after a year), but I don't
> know ANY iTunes users whose points would survive longer than a week.

You seem to know one of them now :-)

> I'm
> not sure I understand what you're getting so annoyed at. If you never
> wanted to use the points what loss is losing them? :-D

My son just tends not to use them that fast ;-)

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Jamie Kahn Genet - 19 Oct 2007 19:46 GMT
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@cheersheusser.commercialspammers.invalid>
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> > So they expire after six months? Well, I suppose that is rather brief
> > (most similar things I'm aware off expire after a year), but I don't
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> Marc

Heh, your son shows rather astonishing restraint :-) Well if I were
Apple I'd be making damn sure consumers know when their points expire.
Was there any notification process? No emails? No pop-up warning in
iTunes? It seems rather rude just to expire them suddenly with no
warning :-(

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Dave Balderstone - 19 Oct 2007 14:12 GMT
> No, the iTunes credit (30 songs) I got for the points :-(

Check with whatever consumer protection agency has jurisdiction and see
if it's legal for Apple to do this.

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Shawn Hirn - 19 Oct 2007 05:02 GMT
In article <marc.heusser-4904E8.22323917102007@news.unizh.ch>,
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@cheersheusser.commercialspammers.invalid>
wrote:

> It seems genuine iTunes gift certificates do not expire, but I had
> bought the codes through a customer loyalty programme in Switzerland.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I will followup when I have the details. It looks like I have been
> barking up the wrong tree.

I received three gift certificates a while ago for the iTunes store. I
entered them onto my account right away so I didn't have to keep track
of the plastic gift cards. Months went by and I forgot about them. I
eventually received email from Apple reminding me, so I logged on and
bought some TV shows and music with them. I have never had a problem
with unexplained funds disappearing from the ITMS.
 
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