Use StarOffice documents on a Mac
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Nautilus - 11 May 2007 16:03 GMT Hi,
on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open Text Documents (*.odt).
I have iWork 06 and Word for Mac, but until now I they didn't open an odt file. I've found a very discouraging thread about StarOffice in the archive, but it was from 2002.
Is there any chance to open *.odt on the Mac?
TIA
Jolly Roger - 11 May 2007 16:06 GMT > on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open > Text Documents (*.odt). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Is there any chance to open *.odt on the Mac? Yep: <http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/odt>
And I'm betting Microsoft Office (Word) on Mac will also open them.
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Steve Hix - 11 May 2007 20:00 GMT > > on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open > > Text Documents (*.odt). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > And I'm betting Microsoft Office (Word) on Mac will also open them. When did MS add OpenOffice format support?
Mystras - 11 May 2007 21:55 GMT Ο/Η Steve Hix έγραψε:
> When did MS add OpenOffice format support? I don't think that M$ will support a concurrent product. They try to "change" the openoffice XML format and to replace it with their own XML format which is called .docx
Steve Hix - 11 May 2007 22:13 GMT > ˆ/½ Steve Hix ¤ÁÚ·“Â: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "change" the openoffice XML format and to replace it with their own > XML format which is called .docx And which seems to be garnering the ridicule that it so richly deservers.
Erik Richard Sørensen - 12 May 2007 12:09 GMT > Ο/Η Steve Hix έγραψε: >> When did MS add OpenOffice format support? > > I don't think that M$ will support a concurrent product. They try to > "change" the openoffice XML format and to replace it with their own > XML format which is called .docx Yes they will... They're forced to do so. From what I know it already should have been in the upcoming MSOffice 2007, but the claim that it wasn't poosible to make this format available for the main release, so they're working on a converter, which - hopefully - will be available later this summer/autumn.
This has come up since the .odt format now is rated and stated as an ISO standard, which neither .xml or .docx are and never will be. .xml is though now been stated as an 'international industry standard' (ISS std.).
A friend of mine, who is an official betatester for the 'monster' has got notes about the implementation of .odf file format in an upcoming premier update after the main release of MSO2007....
cheers, Erik Richard
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Jolly Roger - 11 May 2007 22:05 GMT >>> on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open >>> Text Documents (*.odt). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > When did MS add OpenOffice format support? I never said Microsoft added OpenOffice support.
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Steve Hix - 11 May 2007 22:21 GMT > >>> on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open > >>> Text Documents (*.odt). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I never said Microsoft added OpenOffice support. Ah. It was just that your comments was down in the .odt-related weeds.
And somewhere off the top of the thread, the original question was about old AppleWorks files. The which I sort of doubt that MS Office will open.
(*pokes around on wife's iMac*)
Well, whaddaya know, MS Office X opens .cwk files.
Learn something new every day.
Jolly Roger - 11 May 2007 23:38 GMT > Well, whaddaya know, MS Office X opens .cwk files. That's good to know. : )
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Mystras - 12 May 2007 08:09 GMT Ο/Η Steve Hix έγραψε:
> Well, whaddaya know, MS Office X opens .cwk files. M$ office 2004 opens too but only AW6 files and NOT AW5 files.
Adrian - 12 May 2007 15:58 GMT > ?/? Steve Hix ??????: > > > Well, whaddaya know, MS Office X opens .cwk files. > > M$ office 2004 opens too but only AW6 files and NOT AW5 files. Office 2004 opening Appleworks files was news to me to! It will be useful. I see that it does actually claim to open AW5 as well as AW6 ... have you found that AW5 files don't open? I just did a save as Appleworks5 to create one and Word 2004 opened it correctly (complete with text and floating images). It failed on Clarisworks4 files.
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Nautilus - 14 May 2007 15:31 GMT > Yep: <http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/odt> Great site! Thanks to everyone. I'll give NeoOffice a try.
Mystras - 11 May 2007 16:55 GMT Use openOffice over X11 or NeoOffice an OpenOffice clone working over java.
Ο/Η Nautilus έγραψε:
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TIA CHENG Gao - 11 May 2007 17:32 GMT *On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:03:18 +0200 * Nautilus <me@privacy.net> climbed out of the dark hell and cried out:
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TIA Install NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org).
Erik Richard Sørensen - 12 May 2007 11:47 GMT You can use either Abiword, NoeOffice or OpenOffice for this. All these supports .odf/.odt formats. NeoOffice 2.1 (freeware) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22021 OpenOffice 2.2 (freeware, requires X11) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10456 Abiword 2.4.5 (freeware) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14743
Cheers, Erik Richard
> on my PC I use StarOffice and I have saved most of my documents as Open > Text Documents (*.odt). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is there any chance to open *.odt on the Mac?
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Philo D - 12 May 2007 13:03 GMT > You can use either Abiword, NoeOffice or OpenOffice for this. All these > supports .odf/.odt formats. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Abiword 2.4.5 (freeware) > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14743 A related question... freeware or shareware Mac word processor that reads Microsoft Word documents, *including equations* ... So far I found that NeoOffice / OpenOffice are miserable on Word-style equations. Haven't tried Abiword, maybe I should.
Jon - 12 May 2007 13:24 GMT > A related question... freeware or shareware Mac word processor that > reads Microsoft Word documents, *including equations* ... So far > I found that NeoOffice / OpenOffice are miserable on Word-style > equations. Haven't tried Abiword, maybe I should. Can equations be exported to RTF? Try out the NisusWriter Pro in that case, it uses RTF as its native format. Mellel mimght also be worth a look since it prides itself on being an academic's tool. Just my 2¢...
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Klaus Beckmann - 12 May 2007 15:05 GMT > Can equations be exported to RTF? Try out the NisusWriter Pro in that > case, it uses RTF as its native format. Mellel mimght also be worth a > look since it prides itself on being an academic's tool. Just my 2¢... In my experience, neither NW (Express) not Mellel have proved reliable in opening academic documents (including formulae and extensive tables) in .doc format. Note that I do not blame this on Redlers and Nisus at all -- even Word for Windows has difficulties opening complex docs saved by different versions of itself, although these tend to affect presentation (pagination and such) rather than content.
As a suggestion, ask people to send a LaTeX version instead. You might also try the conversion routines in WvWare (http://wvware.sourceforge.net/), which are also behind AbiWord's .doc conversion.
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Mystras - 12 May 2007 17:18 GMT Klaus Beckmann έγραψε:
> In my experience, neither NW (Express) not Mellel I think that all these small word processors should use .ODT if they like to have a better future. I like an alliance of mellel OO Nisus Ragtime Papyrus etc. Personally I will not use any word processor, who doesn't save natively in .ODT. If they will use natively .ODT I will try them and I will take the best of them even if it costs some money.
Erik Richard Sørensen - 12 May 2007 14:54 GMT >> You can use either Abiword, NoeOffice or OpenOffice for this. All these >> supports .odf/.odt formats. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I found that NeoOffice / OpenOffice are miserable on Word-style > equations. Haven't tried Abiword, maybe I should. Hm, as far as I know, the newest versions of both NeoOffice and OpenOffice contain an equation tool... I don't use equations, so I can't tell, whether it'll work wtih any equations or not.
Cheers, Erik Richard
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Klaus Beckmann - 12 May 2007 15:31 GMT > Hm, as far as I know, the newest versions of both NeoOffice and > OpenOffice contain an equation tool... I don't use equations, so I can't > tell, whether it'll work wtih any equations or not. I tried these things. IMHO, they produce inferior mathematical typesetting. They are also based on a markup language that differs from both MathType (or the MS Word equation editor) and LaTeX, which makes for one more thing you have to learn.
My suggestion: Use NisusWriter and LaTeXIt (http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/latexit_en.php). LaTeXIt supports LinkBack, and will generate a pdf of your equation with an embedded LaTeX source.
In the good old times, when Nisus Writer docs were just text (with the formatting in the resource fork), you used to be able to typeset these things directly with LaTeX.
Well, at least we're progressing leaps and bounds with the availability of the NWP beta (http://www.nisus.com/pro/) ...
Cheers,
Klaus
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Philo D - 12 May 2007 16:37 GMT > > You can use either Abiword, NoeOffice or OpenOffice for this. All these > > supports .odf/.odt formats. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I found that NeoOffice / OpenOffice are miserable on Word-style > equations. Haven't tried Abiword, maybe I should. OK... New version of the question.... Someone sends me a doc file, puts one on a web site, or posts one to a newsgroup. I want to look at it, or print it. It includes equations. If I cannot ask the originator to save in another format, and my Mac is Microsoft-free, what can I do?
Klaus Beckmann - 12 May 2007 17:00 GMT >>> You can use either Abiword, NoeOffice or OpenOffice for this. All these >>> supports .odf/.odt formats. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it, or print it. It includes equations. If I cannot ask the originator > to save in another format, and my Mac is Microsoft-free, what can I do? Several things, none of which are likely to give perfect results (also, the _relative_ quality of results may vary depending on the properties of the file in an arcane manner):
- open it in NeoOffice (free) - use wvware's conversion routine (free) - throw it at MacLinkPlus Deluxe (http://www.dataviz.com/) ($70) - open it in NisusWriter (http://www.nisus.com/) ($??) - open it in Papyrus (http://www.rom-logicware.com/) ($??)
There may be others -- Mellel comes to mind --, and I say again, there is no method with consistently superior results. I basically give it a go every time, praying for the final demise of .doc
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AES - 12 May 2007 19:58 GMT > OK... New version of the question.... Someone sends me a doc file, > puts one on a web site, or posts one to a newsgroup. I want to look at > it, or print it. It includes equations. If I cannot ask the originator > to save in another format, and my Mac is Microsoft-free, what can I do? Well, it may not solve your problem, but it may help in the long term if you at least let them know about the problem.
If you can get away with being a bit nastier, you could try sending the doc back with a message just saying only that, "File seems to have arrived unreadable -- may be defective -- can you try another format?" At least you get to hassle them a little.
Jon - 12 May 2007 20:30 GMT > > OK... New version of the question.... Someone sends me a doc file, > > puts one on a web site, or posts one to a newsgroup. I want to look at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > arrived unreadable -- may be defective -- can you try another format?" > At least you get to hassle them a little. Try this one, which a friend of mine uses:
"You have sent me a text file as a Microsoft Word attachment which I have deleted. Because my mail is read from a variety of machines both while travelling and at various places of work, I do not always have access to MS Word, nor do I use MS Word on a daily basis and the version of MS Word I do have is probably hopelessly out of date and incompatible with your document anyway. By attaching a message that could have been inserted into your mail as plain text using simple cut-and-paste, you are forcing me to save, decode and move your message to a different machine which is a labourious and time-consuming procedure. It also forces me involuntarily to expose the other machine to potential viruses both binary and macro, which is unecessary and inconsiderate.
If you feel that your document has formatting which is essential for my understanding, kindly save it as html, XML or RTF before sending. Otherwise, plain text is also an open and free standard potentially rich in both grammar and syntax.
Do not construe this notice as an unwillingness to read your message on my part. It is an expression of solidarity with other users who don't know what to do with attachments and are too embarrassed to say so. A protest against a monopolizing industry that is trying to brow-beat us into submission to proprietory standards, user-unfriendliness, arrogance of power and greedy pricing. And an effort on my part to spend less time moving files and more time doing something useful.
I apologize if this is an inconvenience to you, but unless you feel that your message is important enough to convey in a simpler and more readable fashion it must be considered unread."
Good luck! :-)
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AES - 12 May 2007 19:52 GMT > A related question... freeware or shareware Mac word processor that > reads Microsoft Word documents, *including equations* ... So far > I found that NeoOffice / OpenOffice are miserable on Word-style > equations. Haven't tried Abiword, maybe I should. icWord, icExcel have worked fine for me as a way to display (but of course not edit) MS files in the past.
[But I'm now in the fortunate position of being able to tell my university, my professional societies, my correspondents, other organizations, Hey, you want continued unpaid volunteer service from me -- committee work, report reviewing, and the like -- then it's "PDFs or RTF, please" or forget about it. Gradually educating some of them, and enjoying it; would like to see others join in.]
Jon - 12 May 2007 20:30 GMT > > A related question... freeware or shareware Mac word processor that > > reads Microsoft Word documents, *including equations* ... So far [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it's "PDFs or RTF, please" or forget about it. Gradually educating > some of them, and enjoying it; would like to see others join in.] Absolutely right. See my other post with a sample standard reply.
BTW: The Norwegian authorities are finally catching on and saying that they want "open standards" within a year from now in any pubblic communication including websites, applications forms, etc. Good!
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