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Computer needs coaxing to restart

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Robert Montgomery - 10 May 2007 00:12 GMT
In the Finder, under the Apple menu, when I select "Restart", the
computer (G4 desktop) won't restart until i quit all or most of my programs.

I'm running OS 10.4.8.

Robert
Shawn Hirn - 10 May 2007 01:41 GMT
> In the Finder, under the Apple menu, when I select "Restart", the
> computer (G4 desktop) won't restart until i quit all or most of my programs.
>
> I'm running OS 10.4.8.
>
> Robert

Try upgrading to 10.4.9 to see if that helps.
Jolly Roger - 10 May 2007 02:54 GMT
User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9

>> In the Finder, under the Apple menu, when I select "Restart", the
>> computer (G4 desktop) won't restart until i quit all or most of my programs.
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>
> Try upgrading to 10.4.9 to see if that helps.

Nah, I'm betting one of the applications the OP is running is causing
the problem.

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Tom Stiller - 10 May 2007 04:01 GMT
> User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
>
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> Nah, I'm betting one of the applications the OP is running is causing
> the problem.

If that's the case, one usually gets a dialog saying that logout was
canceled by program xxx, or words to that effect.

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Jolly Roger - 10 May 2007 07:49 GMT
User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9

>> User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
>>
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> If that's the case, one usually gets a dialog saying that logout was
> canceled by program xxx, or words to that effect.

"Usually" being the key word.

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Stan Horwitz - 11 May 2007 03:34 GMT
> User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
>
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>
> "Usually" being the key word.

True; however, the console might shed some light on this problem.
Robert Montgomery - 12 May 2007 19:40 GMT
>>User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
>>
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>>>
>>>Try upgrading to 10.4.9 to see if that helps.

Actually, I AM running 10.4.9; I had forgotten that the system had been
automatically upgraded from 10.4.8 recently.

>>Nah, I'm betting one of the applications the OP is running is causing
>>the problem.
>
> If that's the case, one usually gets a dialog saying that logout was
> canceled by program xxx, or words to that effect.

Yes; I've been having a devil of a time with printing recently. Printer
Setup Utility keeps stalling and I force quit it but then can't reopen it.

I'm not sure if it's conflicting with the Epson Stylus R2400 driver or
what. (Both icons show up in the bar at the bottom of my screen and both
are active often simultaneously.)

To try to fix the problem I've been trying to restart, but the whole
computer system would stall even when i tried force quitting the Finder,
so I'd pull the plug out of the surge protector.

I just figured out from a prompt message on my screen that it's better
to try logging out (under the Apple menu) and then logging in again.

But even that hasn't fixed the Printer Setup Utility problem. I had
deleted my Epson Stylus Photo R2400 today from the list of printers in
Printer Setup Utility and now the program stalls every time I try to add
it back again (by pressing the Add button in Printer Setup Utiilty),
forcing me to log out and in again.

Robert
Tom Stiller - 12 May 2007 20:06 GMT
> >>User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
> >>
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> it back again (by pressing the Add button in Printer Setup Utiilty),
> forcing me to log out and in again.

It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.

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Robert Montgomery - 13 May 2007 01:55 GMT
>>>>User-Agent: Unison/1.7.9
>>>>
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> It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
> <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.

Thanks, Tom.

I tried that program. It feels draconian and risky, the same way
Diskwarrior felt at first, (especially with the serious warning messages
in the Help file and the Reset window) but it seems to work.

I used Printer Setup Repair to back up my printer settings. Then i reset
the printer settings, restarted and restored my printer settings, and
now I'm able to open Printer Setup Utlitity and print again (for now,
anyway.)

The program's Help file says that there's a gap in Disk Utility's Disk
premissions verification and repair function that's filled by Printer
Setup Repair, so this an obvious project to prompt the development of OS
10.5. I hope the Apple developers are working on this. I shouldn't have
to use and buy a third party program to be able to print on my Mac –
especially not in this advanced computer age of 2007.

And the program's documentation is poorly written. It's not clear which
functions of the program one should prioritize and the sequence of
procedures is unclear and illogical.

for example, you're supposed to back up in the Backup and Restore
section at the bottom of the screen, then above that do "Reset" and
after Reset, go back to the bottom "Backup and Restore" section, so the
displayed options are in this sequence: 2, 1 and 3, instead of i, 2 and
3. (That's what happens when they skimp on documentation  and design by
not hiring professional writers and designers and instead the
programmers themselves do the writing and design.)

Anyway, it looks like I'll have to buy that program to try to keep my
printing running smoothly because I've been having a plethora of
printing problems. I had no idea that so many other people, too, are
having trouble printing in OS 10.4_. (The program has been downloaded
over 44,000 times from the Fixamac.com Web site.)

Robert
Robert Montgomery - 18 May 2007 21:51 GMT
> It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
> <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.

What's the first test/repair function to do in Printer Setup Repair when
 the printer's Utility window won't opne in Printer Setup Utility, or
when Printer Setup Utility itself won't open?

I ran Backup, Reset and then Restore in that order, but I wonder if one
or more of the other processes would be faster and easier.

Robert
Tom Stiller - 20 May 2007 22:25 GMT
> > It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
> > <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.
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> I ran Backup, Reset and then Restore in that order, but I wonder if one
> or more of the other processes would be faster and easier.

Printer Setup Utility doesn't have any preferences, other than the
System Preferences, so I would guess the application itself is trashed.  
Restore it from a backup, or reinstall it using Pacifist.

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Robert Montgomery - 27 May 2007 15:27 GMT
>>>It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
>>><http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.

I used Printer Setup Repair (the Backup, Reset and Restore functions)
and was able to print again for a while.

But soon I again had the same problems of the Printer Setup Utility >
Utility window not opening and then not being able to add back printers
I had deleted from the printers list and then, after going to the
Finder, not being able to get back into Printer Setup Utility until I
restarted. (I had to restart; even after logging out I wasn't able to
reopen Printer Setup Utility.)

>>What's the first test/repair function to do in Printer Setup Repair when
>>  the printer's Utility window won't opne in Printer Setup Utility, or
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> System Preferences, so I would guess the application itself is trashed.  
> Restore it from a backup, or reinstall it using Pacifist.

If I were to restore Printer Setup Utility, how would I do that?

Would I trash the one that's problematic and drag a Printer Setup
Utility.app from from its Applications/Utilities folder on a back-up
drive to replace the one I've trashed?

Thanks, Tom.

Robert
Tom Stiller - 27 May 2007 16:42 GMT
> >>>It might be worth having a look at "Printer Setup Repair"
> >>><http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26660>.
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> Utility.app from from its Applications/Utilities folder on a back-up
> drive to replace the one I've trashed?

That's one way.  Another would be to use "Pacifist"
<http://www.versiontracker.com> to extract a fresh copy from your
installation disk.

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Robert Montgomery - 27 May 2007 23:58 GMT
>>>Printer Setup Utility doesn't have any preferences, other than the
>>>System Preferences, so I would guess the application itself is trashed.  
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> <http://www.versiontracker.com> to extract a fresh copy from your
> installation disk.

Thanks a lot, Tom. I just downloaded a copy of the program.

Robert
Gregory Weston - 10 May 2007 01:55 GMT
> In the Finder, under the Apple menu, when I select "Restart", the
> computer (G4 desktop) won't restart until i quit all or most of my programs.
>
> I'm running OS 10.4.8.

I rarely reboot, but I've noticed that logging out _can_ take several
seconds even on a relatively fast machine. How long have you let it sit
before deciding it needs a nudge? And if it's more than 10 seconds or
so, have you checked the logs to see if there are an messages? Have you
experimented with different sets of programs running to see if it might
be one thing you use a lot that is canceling the logout?
 
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