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Garageband question - exporting

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Grandpa - 06 Apr 2007 19:42 GMT
What magical means must one use to export a Garageband composition
to a midi file? I have no problem importing midi into Garageband,
but a search of the help files doesn't give any hint as to how to
export to a midi file. The composition within Garageband was totally
produced with midi inputs. Now I'd like to export it for further
manipulation with other software. Thanks.
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matt neuburg - 06 Apr 2007 20:39 GMT
> What magical means must one use to export a Garageband composition
> to a midi file?

None.

>I have no problem importing midi into Garageband,
> but a search of the help files doesn't give any hint as to how to
> export to a midi file.

That is because Garageband does not export to a midi file. If what you
want is "Garageband Pro" so you can do this, get Logic. m.

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Calum - 07 Apr 2007 00:18 GMT
> That is because Garageband does not export to a midi file. If what you
> want is "Garageband Pro" so you can do this, get Logic. m.

There is a free GarageBand plugin that offers some MIDI export
capability, but I'll be damned if I can find the details right at the
moment.
Calum - 07 Apr 2007 00:23 GMT
>> That is because Garageband does not export to a midi file. If what you
>> want is "Garageband Pro" so you can do this, get Logic. m.
>
> There is a free GarageBand plugin that offers some MIDI export
> capability, but I'll be damned if I can find the details right at the
> moment.

Ah, I was thinking of this, which can't quite do it directly:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23227
gtr - 07 Apr 2007 17:27 GMT
> What magical means must one use to export a Garageband composition to a
> midi file? I have no problem importing midi into Garageband, but a
> search of the help files doesn't give any hint as to how to export to a
> midi file. The composition within Garageband was totally produced with
> midi inputs. Now I'd like to export it for further manipulation with
> other software. Thanks.

You need to think through the concepts here. Midi is a stream of
information that, in essence, tells a synthesizer which key to press,
how hard, how long is held, how rapidly it is released, and so forth.

When you send straight audio down that pipe, like for instance a
recording by the Beach Boys, what would you expect it to produce? Audio
output is hear-able, if you will.  Midi is not; it is instructions to a
synthesizer to behave a certain way.

Since Garageband makes use of so much stuff that has nothing to do with
midi, it makes sense that it doesn't export a midi file.  It would be
like to trying to output a text file of the script of a movie from the
DVD.
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matt neuburg - 07 Apr 2007 19:20 GMT
> Since Garageband makes use of so much stuff that has nothing to do with
> midi, it makes sense that it doesn't export a midi file.

Well, no. A GarageBand track can be MIDI-based, and it is possible to
use GarageBand entirely as a MIDI editor. So the inability to export a
MIDI-based track or song as MIDI, frankly, sucks.

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Calum - 07 Apr 2007 20:30 GMT
>> Since Garageband makes use of so much stuff that has nothing to do with
>> midi, it makes sense that it doesn't export a midi file.
>
> Well, no. A GarageBand track can be MIDI-based, and it is possible to
> use GarageBand entirely as a MIDI editor. So the inability to export a
> MIDI-based track or song as MIDI, frankly, sucks.

It's kind of do-able in a roundabout way with the MidiO plugin I
mentioned in another post; see
http://jayshaffer.com/v-web/b2/index.php?m=200512#30 for a howto.
gtr - 08 Apr 2007 01:15 GMT
>> Since Garageband makes use of so much stuff that has nothing to do with
>> midi, it makes sense that it doesn't export a midi file.
>
> Well, no. A GarageBand track can be MIDI-based, and it is possible to
> use GarageBand entirely as a MIDI editor.

It certainly CAN be limited to midi information only, that's true.
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Mike Rosenberg - 07 Apr 2007 19:35 GMT
> When you send straight audio down that pipe, like for instance a
> recording by the Beach Boys, what would you expect it to produce? Audio
> output is hear-able, if you will.  Midi is not; it is instructions to a
> synthesizer to behave a certain way.

The OP specifically stated that "the composition within Garageband was
totally produced with midi inputs," so, while what you're saying is
true, it isn't relevant.  I've taken a solo piano MIDI file and added
MIDI bass and drums to it, and it's bothered me for over two years and
three versions of GarageBand that I can't export it as a MIDI file.

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Grandpa - 07 Apr 2007 19:46 GMT
>> When you send straight audio down that pipe, like for instance a
>> recording by the Beach Boys, what would you expect it to produce? Audio
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> MIDI bass and drums to it, and it's bothered me for over two years and
> three versions of GarageBand that I can't export it as a MIDI file.

Thanks, I think I understand the problem better now. Been so used to
MIDI in and out that not having MIDI out in a program just
bumfoozled me. Will look at MidiO and see if it will solve my
instant problem; will either change my sequence of operation or save
the big bucks for Logic.

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gtr - 08 Apr 2007 01:17 GMT
>> When you send straight audio down that pipe, like for instance a
>> recording by the Beach Boys, what would you expect it to produce? Audio
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The OP specifically stated that "the composition within Garageband was
> totally produced with midi inputs,"

I see.  I didn't interpret it that way. My raw "input" into Garageband
almost always starts with midi but does not end there.
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Grandpa - 08 Apr 2007 02:13 GMT
>>> When you send straight audio down that pipe, like for instance a
>>> recording by the Beach Boys, what would you expect it to produce? Audio
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I see.  I didn't interpret it that way. My raw "input" into Garageband
> almost always starts with midi but does not end there.

Yeah, well if you started with MIDI over 20 years ago, its hard to
get out of the "rut," but I'm learning and experimenting. Thanks for
the pointers and clarifications.
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