Hi at all
I'm sorry for the stupid question but I'm not a Mac expert so I'm
tring to ask to people knowing more than me about this argument.
I need to make an internet voice call (voip) with a person using a
MacOS version 10.2.8 (I'm working with Windows at the moment). The
Skype version for macos require as minimun version the 10.3 or higher
than it seem not possible to use this version in a older 10.2 macos.
I'm tring to find another voip pc-tp-pc software having multiplatform
version for Windows and mac but I noticed that all these software for
mac need the 10.3 version as minimun requirements. Are these two
version so different? Could the macos Skype version work also in the
old 10.2 version? and, if no, someone know a software voip pc-to-pc
having the two required version Windows and macos 10.2 or higher?
Thank you
Max
John101 - 19 Nov 2006 00:03 GMT
> Are these two
> version so different?
Yes
> Could the macos Skype version work also in the
> old 10.2 version?
No
> and, if no, someone know a software voip pc-to-pc
> having the two required version Windows and macos 10.2 or higher?
No

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Tom Harrington - 19 Nov 2006 00:07 GMT
> Hi at all
>
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> old 10.2 version? and, if no, someone know a software voip pc-to-pc
> having the two required version Windows and macos 10.2 or higher?
If the software says it needs at least 10.3, then it's extremely
unlikely that it'll work with 10.2. With every major update to Mac OS
X, Apple adds new features for software developers. Requiring 10.3
probably means that the software uses features introduced in 10.3.

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Richard Maine - 19 Nov 2006 00:46 GMT
> I'm not a Mac expert
...
> The
> Skype version for macos require as minimun version the 10.3 or higher
...
> Could the macos Skype version work also in the
> old 10.2 version?
I'm a little puzzled as to why you think it would take a Mac expert to
understand that 10.2 is not "10.3 or higher". That would seem to require
understanding only English and numbers. If they say it requires 10.3 or
higher, then they are probably telling the truth. If you want to go into
the technical reasons for the requirement, that would be another matter.
That part does require at least a bit of Mac expertise, and it also
isn't going to help you.

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John W Gintell - 19 Nov 2006 04:00 GMT
>> I'm not a Mac expert
> ...
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> That part does require at least a bit of Mac expertise, and it also
> isn't going to help you.
Sometimes the vendor says it works in release X or higher because that
is what they did their testing on. It might well be true that it works
on a prior release as well.
:/ - 19 Nov 2006 05:56 GMT
>>> I'm not a Mac expert
>> ...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> is what they did their testing on. It might well be true that it works
> on a prior release as well.
Most developers release an app that is tested across various versions.
Also, when you make an app with the developer tools, it informs you
which and what OS's it can be used on. Apple designed this to be easy,
the aren't airheads.
Jamie Kahn Genet - 19 Nov 2006 01:15 GMT
> Hi at all
>
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> Thank you
> Max
Copies of Panther (10.3) are very cheap on Ebay nowadays. Why not simply
buy as many as you need for the pittance they're now selling for?
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet

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Max - 19 Nov 2006 11:59 GMT
Hi,
>Copies of Panther (10.3) are very cheap on Ebay nowadays. Why not simply
>buy as many as you need for the pittance they're now selling for?
Because I don't know exactly how mac hardware work. I mean, I think
like a Windows user. If a computer have Windows 98 (for example) this
could probabily mean that it have and old hardware so if you try to
install Windows XP (always as example) could have some problems
because the hardware is not so good to run this "fat" operating
system. Is this situation similar to mac? The new 10.3 version can be
installed to and old computer (around three years old) without
probems?
Thank you
Max
Jon - 19 Nov 2006 12:28 GMT
> The new 10.3 version can be
> installed to and old computer (around three years old) without
10.3 is not the newest. 10.4 (Tiger) has been out for almost one and a
half year now. Any Mac with built-in FireWire and more than 256 MB of
RAM can run it, and would most likely profit from it. In fact, 10.3 is
around three years old by now.
Any Mac OS X-capable Mac older than that (at least from the original
iMac and the blue/white tower G3) would profit from running 10.3.9 (the
latest Panther version), provided it has at least 256 MB RAM, preferably
512 or more.

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Paul Sture - 19 Nov 2006 13:16 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> installed to and old computer (around three years old) without
> probems?
10.3 runs happily on my 4 year old Mac. In fact 10.3 was a great
improvement over 10.2, both in terms of reliability and performance.

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Jamie Kahn Genet - 20 Nov 2006 01:46 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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> 10.3 runs happily on my 4 year old Mac. In fact 10.3 was a great
> improvement over 10.2, both in terms of reliability and performance.
I run 10.3.9 at perfectly acceptable speeds on several old CRT iMacs, as
far back as the original bondi iMac (233MHz G3). Of course, I've maxed
the RAM and installed larger HDs, but that didn't cost much. These old
iMacs make great workstations :-)
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet

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Bob Harris - 19 Nov 2006 13:54 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thank you
> Max
besides what others have said about 10.3.
10.3 is also faster than 10.2 (10.3 was lean and mean), 10.3 is
much more reliable, and 10.3 has ironed out a lot of the early Mac
OS X wrinkles. In my opinion, versions prior to 10.3 were
advanced betas (OK 10.2 was much more than a beta, but it still
had some oddities that 10.3 smoothed out).
My computer is 3 years old, and I'm running 10.4 on it. I have a
system that is about 6 years old also running 10.4. Anything only
3 years old will run 10.3 or 10.4. And if you put 10.3 on it, you
will most likely notice an improvement in performance.
Get a copy of 10.3. It will improve your entire experience.
Bob Harris
Jamie Kahn Genet - 20 Nov 2006 01:46 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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>
> Bob Harris
I concur. 10.3 is noticeably faster on my older G3 Macs, and 10.4 is
just a wee bit faster again (so long as no widgets are running), if the
old Mac supports 10.4. I'd never go back to 10.2 nowadays. It was dog
slow by comparison and hardly any recent software releases support
anything older than 10.3.9.
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet

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Jamie Kahn Genet - 20 Nov 2006 01:39 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thank you
> Max
Any Mac with built in USB can run Panther (10.3.9). Tiger (10.4.x)
requires built in Firewire.
See either of the following two excellent sites for Mac model specs and
what versions of MacOS they will run:
<http://www.lowendmac.com/profiles.htm>
<http://www.everymac.com/>
HTH,
Jamie Kahn Genet

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Mike Dee - 29 Nov 2006 00:23 GMT
> I'm sorry for the stupid question but I'm not a Mac expert so I'm
> tring to ask to people knowing more than me about this argument.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> old 10.2 version? and, if no, someone know a software voip pc-to-pc
> having the two required version Windows and macos 10.2 or higher?
I'm a little late in coming to this thread. I hope you found some
answer to this by now (somewhere else, I'm guessing).
X-Lite is a very good freeware VoIP program that will run on Windows
and MacOS X 10.2 (Jaguar) or newer.
More info (for Win X-Lite vers 3, the Mac vers. is at 2)
http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=Products&smenu=xlite
Download area:
http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=download
For more links to other Mac VoIP products - a few will run on Mac OS
pre 10.3, some are shareware:
http://www.pure-mac.com/voip.html
HTH

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