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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / November 2006[9.2.2] iCab 3.0.3 crashes when trying to go anywhere
Hello, Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. I've allocated 100MB to iCab's minimum size, and 150MB to preferred size. I never use Virtual memory. I can get a blank window when launching the app, and I can set all the preference settings, but when I type in any URL and tell iCab to go there, it begins to go, then quits with a Type 2 error. If anyone has an idea of why this happens, and can suggest some troubleshooting procedures, I'd be most grateful. I'd like to get iCab to work, and compare performance to that of Mozilla's WaMCom 1.3.1, which is my main Web browser. Thanks and happy computing, Eric In article <ericp06-8E1B3D.20111929102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks and happy computing, > Eric Which version did you download? Look carefully at the iCab site and the dropdown alternatives. You need what they are calling "Classic" - not the one that mentions G4. That's the first thing. The second is this. Any funny business with your arrangement? Partitions, startup disks? There was one guy recently who had 84,000 partitions, each for one thing or other (one I think he just kept his grandmas cake recipes on) or something like that. Play it straight with the app on the start up disk.  Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-F52824.16092130102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <ericp06-8E1B3D.20111929102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > something like that. Play it straight with the app on the start > up disk. I normally keep apps on separate partitions by category (meaning six app partitions and one bootable system partition), but following the advice I got on this ng, I installed iCab to the system partition, locating it in the Applications (Mac OS 9) folder. I'll look for the Classic version, and see if it behaves better. Thanks, Eric In article <ericp06-98D602.06261430102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-F52824.16092130102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > and the dropdown alternatives. You need what they are calling > > "Classic" - not the one that mentions G4. There is no such distinction in the download options on the iCab site. All you can select are the OS and the version number. - E In article <ericp06-225E7B.08012230102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > In article > > <doraymeRidThis-F52824.16092130102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > There is no such distinction in the download options on the iCab site. > All you can select are the OS and the version number. Not true. Look again. This is the source of your problem. I am staring at the options right now: Here is a screenshot of what I am seeing, it is the dropdown menu exposed and I have ticked the option you need. http://dorayme.150m.com/pics/icab.png Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-4330FB.09004331102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > http://dorayme.150m.com/pics/icab.png OK, I was looking in the wrong place. Sorry about that! I do indeed see the option. What threw me was when you mentioned that version 3.0.3 had separate options for G4 and for Classic.What I see shows that the G4 choice is part of the OS X version, and the Classic version (the only one in the choices that I can use) is there separately. That's the one I downloaded and installed, the one that's crashing on me. I've downloaded and installed the 2.9.9a version also, but have yet to launch it. Thanks for straightening me out on this :) - E In article <ericp06-98D602.06261430102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-F52824.16092130102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I got on this ng, I installed iCab to the system partition, locating it > in the Applications (Mac OS 9) folder. Ooops! It was you! Never mind, I was just exaggerating a little <g> > I'll look for the Classic version, and see if it behaves better. I can't see how the X version could behave at all in 9. Signaturedorayme In article <ericp06-8E1B3D.20111929102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks and happy computing, > Eric You may want to ask this question in the Yahoo Group set up specifically for iCan issues. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/icab/ Also version 2.99 is the stable version for OS 9.2.2. That is what I am running. Min RAM 2800k and Set for 10240K (10 MB) and it works fine. Ver 3.03 is beta and while it has some fixes that 2.99 does not have it is not final by any means. Also as noted in the other thread, make sure you downloaded the correct version for Mac OS 8 and 9. I can answer some questions regarding comparison's with Wamcom 1.3.1. iCab will not properly render some JS, in fact it will choke on some sites that are heavy with it. While that has been fixed to some extent in 3.03, 3.03 has not been optimized for speed as a release candidate. I still need Wamcom 1.3.1 for sites that have JS that neither iCab or IE 5.17 can render. Remember to trash prefs from the SYSTEM > PREFERENCES folder when you run into crashes of this kind as well. Also delete the web cache. You can force the folder where the cache will be stored otherwise it will head for a default location in Prefs. DMK Hei... >> Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a >> Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > am running. Min RAM 2800k and Set for 10240K (10 MB) and it works > fine. Hm, I'm running the iCab 3.0.3 like eric, but until now I have never had any troubles with this version... - My setup is a Daul G4 1,4ghz upgraded Sawtooth like Eric's and a QuickSilvr upg. to a Dual G4/1,8ghz both with OS 9.2.2DK. > Ver 3.03 is beta and while it has some fixes that 2.99 does not have > it is not final by any means. Also as noted in the other thread, make > sure you downloaded the correct version for Mac OS 8 and 9. You mentioned speed. - I find the 3.0.3 quite a lot faster than any earlier versions of iCab. > I can answer some questions regarding comparison's with Wamcom 1.3.1. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > candidate. I still need Wamcom 1.3.1 for sites that have JS that > neither iCab or IE 5.17 can render. Like Eric and you, I also still use the WaMCom 1.3.1 on my OS 9.2.2 setups and with earlier versions of iCab experienced the same with Java/JavaScript based sites, but strangly not with the 3.0.3. - Maybe this because I've set iCab 3.0.3 to identify itself as MSIE 6.0 and not 5.x... > Remember to trash prefs from the SYSTEM > PREFERENCES folder when you > run into crashes of this kind as well. Also delete the web cache. > You can force the folder where the cache will be stored otherwise it > will head for a default location in Prefs. I wouldn't recommend to move the cache folder to any other place than the default 'Preferences' folder - especially not, if such a folder is located on an external drive. Such a non-default place could give some problems finding the folder, - especially if the external drive(s) aren't always turned ON, but mounted/unmounted temporarely for use/non-use.... cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KMLDenmark by Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <kmldenmark_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> *Music Recording, Editing & Publishing - Also Smaller Quantities *Software - For Theological Education - And For Physically Impaired *Nisus - The Future in Text & Mail Processing <http://www.nisus.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a > Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. I'll start off by acknowledging that I know this is none of my business, but you've already gotten help with your actual issue, so I'm just curious to know why you feel you have no option to switch to OS X when you certainly _do_ have the option on that Mac. I'd understand if you said you have no _inclination_ to switch... Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/prius.shtml> Prius shirts & bumper stickers <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift > > Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a > > Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you certainly _do_ have the option on that Mac. I'd understand if you > said you have no _inclination_ to switch... I lack the funds necessary to purchase the software, and it'll be at least several more months before that situation changes. I wouldn't use someone else's installer (though this has been offered to me before), because I want to register the OS when I add it to my computer. Thanks, Eric In article <1ho0id1.1nlfecy1kqho3kN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > > Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a > > Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you certainly _do_ have the option on that Mac. I'd understand if you > said you have no _inclination_ to switch... I sent you a whole package of money, goddammit. Treat the guy to Tiger at least. Signaturedorayme Hei dorayme >>> Having no option at this time to switch to OS X, I'm using 9.2.2 on a >>> Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with a 1.5GHz processor and 1.37GB of RAM. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I sent you a whole package of money, goddammit. Good Grief.:-)!! - Can't you sent me a bucketful too:-)? - I wanna get me a new machine and some upgrades... > Treat the guy to Tiger at least. OK, serious now. I know that Eric still uses some specific OS 9.x programs that will work best on a booted OS 9.2.x system, - and so do I. - Even though most OS 9.x apps can and will work under classic in OS x, some of them get really unstable in classic mode. - And there also are some - but very few - that won't run in classic mode at all... - And upgrading a whole bunch of classic software to OS X versions isn't cheap. - I've made - just a small - calculation... Upgrading all of my possible application packages will cost me around $25.000USd - US based prices. - Here in Denmark you must add apprx. another $5-6.000USd to match up Danish prices.:-( Cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KMLDenmark by Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <kmldenmark_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> *Music Recording, Editing & Publishing - Also Smaller Quantities *Software - For Theological Education - And For Physically Impaired *Nisus - The Future in Text & Mail Processing <http://www.nisus.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hei dorayme > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Cheers, Erik Richard There are some apps I won't want to update beyond where they are now, but some that I will, after I switch to Tiger. I'll want to find out which software performs better in OS X's Classic mode, and which performs better in OS 9.2.2 native (booted) mode. I'll take the best of both worlds in the case where I don't wish to update the app, and then I'll have to make hard decisions on which apps I really need to upgrade to OS X native mode. I always want to achieve the optimal balance between speed and stability, but of course I favor stability, and rely on my processor and RAM for speed. Now, back to iCab...I'll try running 2.9.9, and see if it behaves as it should, but I really would like to get 3.0.3 to work properly, if possible. Thanks, Eric In article <ericp06-17816D.17134030102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > Now, back to iCab...I'll try running 2.9.9, and see if it behaves as it > should, but I really would like to get 3.0.3 to work properly, if > possible. So the situation now is that you cleared out all the old icab you could find, from the apps, from the pref folder in the sys folder and anywhere else (you can get clues about where things are through searches file name and indexed string searches), you downloaded the version for Classic as indicated in the pic i posted. And it does not work? If this is so, I will ask for you in another forum. (BTW, why are you so keen on 3.0.3? You will likely get good value out of earlier version(s)) Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-33F77F.13093431102006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <ericp06-17816D.17134030102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > downloaded the version for Classic as indicated in the pic i > posted. Indeed. 2.9.9 works! I was able to go to www.apple.com, and to mail.yahoo.com, but Web pages don't display properly. The Yahoo Mail page looks like crap when it loads using this browser, with objects offset, and some overlaid by text that should be beside them. This might possibly have to do with how I set the preferences, so I'll experiment with them some more, but so far, I'm 100% disappointed with iCab. > And it does not work? If this is so, I will ask for you in > another forum. It works and it doesn't. I'll post the results of my modification of iCab's settings. > (BTW, why are you so keen on 3.0.3? You will likely get good > value out of earlier version(s)) Well, it was recommended for my system configuration, so I wanted to see if it would work, and work well. Either it will, or it won't, and that's my interest. If it turns out that a lower version would be better, then I'll gladly run with it. In the mean time, I've always got WaMCom, and it works beautifully, in all things except for flash multimedia (some things, such as music players, it won't even display, but instead show only a blank area on the page). Thanks, Eric In article <ericp06-5A8F77.21043930102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > Indeed. 2.9.9 works! I was able to go to www.apple.com, and to > mail.yahoo.com, but Web pages don't display properly. The Yahoo Mail > page looks like crap when it loads using this browser, with objects > offset, and some overlaid by text that should be beside them. This might > possibly have to do with how I set the preferences, so I'll experiment > with them some more, but so far, I'm 100% disappointed with iCab. iCab, even the "released" versions is still a beta proeuct. Candidate 2.9.9. is the latest. 3.03 is the next planned but has not been optimized for necessary spped. 3.03 will correct some problems. Some of the issues you are seeing is also the result of poorly written web pages that some mainstream browsers simply compensate for, iCab's autnor is following strict standards as established for browsers Don't bother going to Gmail or AOL with any version of iCab. It runs a browser check and unless you have a recent version of Mozilla, Internet Explorer, Netscape, or FireFox. It won't even let you in. > Don't bother going to Gmail or AOL with any version of iCab. It runs > a browser check and unless you have a recent version of Mozilla, > Internet Explorer, Netscape, or FireFox. It won't even let you in. That's absolutely wrong. 1) iCab can announce itself as *any* of the mainstream browsers, if a given site so requires. 2) the previous is not even necessary, as Gmail has not been suggesting specific browsers (I say suggesting, it never required indeed) for more than a year now. I just checked with iCab 3.03 which logs perfectly. Incidentally, iCab also has the capability to "weaken" its html interpretation a la internet explorer. iCab has its weaknesses (among other the fine-tuning of ad-filtering is somehow longer than Firefox's) but it is an excellent browser and one of the most powerful and flexible for the ambitious user. SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus > > Don't bother going to Gmail or AOL with any version of iCab. It runs > > a browser check and unless you have a recent version of Mozilla, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > somehow longer than Firefox's) but it is an excellent browser and one of > the most powerful and flexible for the ambitious user. At this point, I have 0 confidence in iCab 3.0.3 on a Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) under OS 9.2.2, and only marginal confidence in version 2.9.9a. I'm hoping that further adjusting of the settings will improve browser performance, but so far, nothing performs better with my system than Mozilla WaMCom 1.3.1, and that will probably always be true. - E > At this point, I have 0 confidence in iCab 3.0.3 on a Power Mac G4 (AGP > graphics) under OS 9.2.2, and only marginal confidence in version > 2.9.9a. I'm hoping that further adjusting of the settings will improve > browser performance, but so far, nothing performs better with my system > than Mozilla WaMCom 1.3.1, and that will probably always be true. Maybe an issue with OS9 then :-( On OSX/intel everything is perfectly fluent here... SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus > > At this point, I have 0 confidence in iCab 3.0.3 on a Power Mac G4 (AGP > > graphics) under OS 9.2.2, and only marginal confidence in version [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Maybe an issue with OS9 then :-( > On OSX/intel everything is perfectly fluent here... That is also possible. If that ultimately turns out to be the problem, then I'll have to stick with Mozilla for a good while, as it won't be till sometime next year that I'll be able to acquire Tiger. Thanks, Eric > > Maybe an issue with OS9 then :-( > > That is also possible. If that ultimately turns out to be the problem... Well, as I've said in another thread, I had no problem using iCab 3.0.3 in Classic. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/prius.shtml> Prius shirts & bumper stickers <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift > > > Maybe an issue with OS9 then :-( > > > > That is also possible. If that ultimately turns out to be the problem... > > Well, as I've said in another thread, I had no problem using iCab 3.0.3 > in Classic. Of course, Classic and Mac OS 9.2.2 stand-alone aren't 100% the same thing... - E > > Well, as I've said in another thread, I had no problem using iCab 3.0.3 > > in Classic. > > Of course, Classic and Mac OS 9.2.2 stand-alone aren't 100% the same > thing.. No, but I'm betting that your problems are local. Signature<http://designsbymike.biz/macconsultshop.shtml> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/musings.shtml> Mostly muckraking T-shirts <http://designsbymike.biz/prius.shtml> Prius shirts & bumper stickers <http://cafepress.com/comedancing> Ballroom dance-themed shirts & gift In article <ericp06-5A8F77.21043930102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, [...] > > In article > > <ericp06-17816D.17134030102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > > > > Now, back to iCab...I'll try running 2.9.9, and see if it behaves as it > > > should, but I really would like to get 3.0.3 to work properly, if > > > possible. Start by removing your prefs file and cache folder. Another cause could be some funky plug-in you might have installed (you can disable them individually in iCab's prefs). [...] > Indeed. 2.9.9 works! I was able to go to www.apple.com, and to > mail.yahoo.com, but Web pages don't display properly. The Yahoo Mail > page looks like crap when it loads using this browser, with objects > offset, and some overlaid by text that should be beside them. iCab pre-3.0 had poor CSS 2 support. At websites that stupidly rely on CSS, you'll run into such issues. iCab 3's CSS support is excellent. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > In article > <ericp06-5A8F77.21043930102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > iCab 3's CSS support is excellent. Hence my desire to get 3.0.3 to work with my system. I'll do a little tinkering tonight, and more later, and see what happens. Stay tuned... Eric |
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