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47computers@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2006 18:37 GMT
I really like the iPhoto interface and usefulness, but unfortunately
it's not quite what I need for my photo collection, even with tools
like iPhoto Buddy.  Can anyone recommend a similar product (freeware is
kind of a requirement) where the key difference is that I can maintain
my current folder hierarchy of photos and not make duplicate copies of
everything?

Editing of the photos is unimportant, I have Gimp for that.

Also, and this is really more to the point of this post... On my new
Macbook Pro there's this great feature to use the remote to access a
fullscreen graphical menu for music, dvd, videos, and photos.  Now I
can only assume the photos part just interfaces directly with iPhoto.
If I can find an iPhoto alternative that suits my needs, is there any
way to get this remote menu to use that instead?

Any help would be much appreciate, thank you.

-David
emily.teacher@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2006 19:24 GMT
I don't know about the app part, but I'm pretty sure the only way to
use the remote is with the iLife apps (iPhoto, iTunes, etc.).

--Emily

On Oct 24, 12:37 pm, 47comput...@gmail.com wrote:
> I really like the iPhoto interface and usefulness, but unfortunately
> it's not quite what I need for my photo collection, even with tools
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> -David
47computers@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2006 20:23 GMT
> I don't know about the app part, but I'm pretty sure the only way to
> use the remote is with the iLife apps (iPhoto, iTunes, etc.).

I was afraid that might be the case.  And, like I said before, I really
do like the iPhoto interface, especially with that remote.  The family
is going to love those slideshows when they visit :)

I guess my biggest concern is how I'm going to be able to organize all
my photos in iPhoto.  I'd like to be able to preserve the folder
structure, since that's the same folder structure of the photo archive
on my server that drives other ways of accessing the photos, mainly my
website.

And, since this mac is a laptop and disk space is, in the long run,
limited, having iPhoto make a complete copy of my entire photo archive
is somewhat undesirable.  That's a solid 5GB of wasted disk space, and
growing.

If there's any way to just get iPhoto to read my directory tree and use
that as its library, that would be ideal.

-David
Sjaak Zwart - 31 Oct 2006 13:58 GMT
> I don't know about the app part, but I'm pretty sure the only way to
> use the remote is with the iLife apps (iPhoto, iTunes, etc.).

There are a few alternatives for FrontRow, which let you control other
apps than iLife, as long a it goes with six buttons;-)

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Tom Harrington - 24 Oct 2006 21:11 GMT
> I really like the iPhoto interface and usefulness, but unfortunately
> it's not quite what I need for my photo collection, even with tools
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> Editing of the photos is unimportant, I have Gimp for that.

If all you want is a folder hierarchy, what do you even need a special
application for?  Just use the Finder, and create whatever folders you
want.  You can see previews of the photos, and double-click to open them
in Preview.  You can even run slideshows right from the Finder.

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BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 25 Oct 2006 00:30 GMT
> > like iPhoto Buddy.  Can anyone recommend a similar product (freeware is
> > kind of a requirement) where the key difference is that I can maintain
> > my current folder hierarchy of photos and not make duplicate copies of
> > everything?

> If all you want is a folder hierarchy, what do you even need a special
> application for?  Just use the Finder, and create whatever folders you
> want.  You can see previews of the photos, and double-click to open them
> in Preview.  You can even run slideshows right from the Finder.

Finder is a bit clumsy for that.  Yes, the slideshows are
nifty, but browsing the hierarchy in the Finder, even with
the previews available, is awkward.

I keep all my stuff organized in the finder, dump some of the
pix into iPhoto when I want to use it to do things like
generate photobooks or batches of thumbnails and such for
webpages, but what I recommend for the OP for general poking
about the finder-organized hierarchy is GraphicConverter with
its browse folder functionality.

It's not freeware (and I find it somewhat selfish to demand
that suggestions should be) but it's very reasonably priced
shareware and certainly worth a try.

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47computers@gmail.com - 25 Oct 2006 01:41 GMT
> It's not freeware (and I find it somewhat selfish to demand
> that suggestions should be) but it's very reasonably priced
> shareware and certainly worth a try.

Normally I would agree with that, but I _did_ just buy a brand new
Macbook Pro and I need to re-adjust my budget to accomodate before I go
around spending any more money.  Sure, freeware is always preferred,
but I don't mind paying for a quality product.  I'll check out your
suggestion.

Even with telling iPhoto to not create duplicates of the imported
files, it still generates over a gig of data for the library :)  And
loading 14,000 thumbnails whenever I want to run iPhoto is...
impractical.  Sure, I can have multiple libraries with iPhoto Buddy,
but that's not really a solution because it just further separates the
photos into categories that can't be mixed.

I just need iPhoto's library to be hierarchical, instead of one giant
dump with some year-based sub-dumps.  Only load the thumbs for the
currently open folder, etc.  I've been looking through the files in the
library's folder and wondering if I can make some adjustments to those
outside of iPhoto that will do the trick.

It's not hard to write a Perl script that traverses my folder hierarchy
and outputs some config files and symlinks, then I could just re-run
that whenever I add new photos or change the folders at all.  So, if
anyone's more familiar with the config files for iPhoto, would a
hierarchical structure be possible?  Can AlbumData.xml do that?
Jochem Huhmann - 24 Oct 2006 22:05 GMT
> I really like the iPhoto interface and usefulness, but unfortunately
> it's not quite what I need for my photo collection, even with tools
> like iPhoto Buddy.  Can anyone recommend a similar product (freeware is
> kind of a requirement) where the key difference is that I can maintain
> my current folder hierarchy of photos and not make duplicate copies of
> everything?

In recent versions of iPhoto this is optional! You can switch off the
copying of photos in the preferences and maintain your folder hierarchy
manually. iPhoto will then just create aliases in its own hierarchy
which point to the files.

       Jochem

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Sjaak Zwart - 31 Oct 2006 13:58 GMT
> > I really like the iPhoto interface and usefulness, but unfortunately
> > it's not quite what I need for my photo collection, even with tools
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> manually. iPhoto will then just create aliases in its own hierarchy
> which point to the files.

This is very nice, but what to do with a maintained, 10K "old style"
iPhoto Library?
I would like to have it in the new way, without losing all my (smart)
albums, ratings, keywords, titles, etcetera.
Does anyone know a simple way to achieve this?

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Jochem Huhmann - 31 Oct 2006 14:41 GMT
>> In recent versions of iPhoto this is optional! You can switch off the
>> copying of photos in the preferences and maintain your folder hierarchy
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> albums, ratings, keywords, titles, etcetera.
> Does anyone know a simple way to achieve this?

Hmm, you should be able to just change that setting, leave your old
stuff where it is and start to manage new photos manually. Or do you
want to reorganize everything? That seems to be not that easy...

       Jochem

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