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iTunes crushed when Beethoven rolls over

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Dan Drake - 17 Oct 2006 20:35 GMT
Fine program, iTunes, with fine features & good design.

In the highly intuitive interface there are some things I haven't managed
to intuit, like, Can you sort on more than one field? (You can sort on any
column, but it doesn't seem to be a stable sort, in which the results of
one operation carry over into the next. E.g., sort on Track #, then CD #,
then Album, then Cmposer or whatever: it would come out in a useful order;
but it doesn't seem to do that. I can see an implementation reason why it
would not work this way, but is a Mac user supposed to accept *that* as an
excuse?)

But the main problem seems to be a fundamental lack in the design. Namely,
the iTunes model of a collection of music seems to be, "A bunch of songs
that may come from arbitrary collections recorded on tracks in arbitrary
order on a CD."

A piece of music that occupies more than one track? Why would anyone want
to do that? (Hint: see subject line)

So people kludge it one way or another, like the Songs named --to switch
composers --
Horn Concerto No.4 in E Flat Major, K495: 1 Romance
Horn Concerto No.4 in E Flat Major, K495: 2 Rondo
...
or something like that, which will show up together when the listing is
sorted. (The sequence numbers are unnecessary if you can sort by track #
within some other sort; see above.)

Or, of course, have hundreds or thousands of little play-lists. (Does this
work out well? It doesn't look as if there are good ways of managing a
long list of playlists, but I haven't tried.)

I must be overlooking something here. How do people who have collections
of real music, of whom there must be a million, deal with this?

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G.T. - 17 Oct 2006 22:11 GMT
> Fine program, iTunes, with fine features & good design.
>
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> sorted. (The sequence numbers are unnecessary if you can sort by track #
> within some other sort; see above.)

Not sure I get you but sorting by Artist keeps the albums in alphabetical
order and the tracks in track order for me.  If you need to do secondary and
tertiary sorts on some other criteria then I can't help you, I've never
needed to do it since either Playlists or Artist/Album alpha/Track # works
fine for me.

> Or, of course, have hundreds or thousands of little play-lists. (Does this
> work out well? It doesn't look as if there are good ways of managing a
> long list of playlists, but I haven't tried.)

I have hundreds of playlists which was a pain before one could create
folders for playlists, now it's a breeze.

Greg
Neill Massello - 17 Oct 2006 23:51 GMT
> I must be overlooking something here. How do people who have collections
> of real music, of whom there must be a million, deal with this?

I think you're getting hung up on the database field labels, which
include some holdovers from old recording technology. "Album", itself a
relic from the 78rpm era, doesn't have to be the name of a CD but can
designate a concerto, symphony, or anything you want. Likewise, the
"Track #" field can be used for movements. Information about the source
of the track, such as the CD it came from, can be stored in the Comments
field.
Dan Drake - 18 Oct 2006 19:06 GMT
>  
> I think you're getting hung up on the database field labels, which
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> of the track, such as the CD it came from, can be stored in the Comments
> field.

True enough. On consideration I'm not sure I need the title of the source
disk, for instance, as a sortable field or anything but a comment.

BTW the field names aren't wholly arbitrary. I don't know whether this is
general knowledge, but after complaining about iTunes not using a stable
sort procedure, I checked more closely. Sort by any arbitrary field, and
you get a list sorted by that field AND at least 3 other fields: Album,
Disk #, Track #. Not a bad choice at all, but worth keeping in mind when
setting up one's own system of usage. Of course, it fits well with what
you suggested.

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Tony Craine - 18 Oct 2006 07:11 GMT
> A piece of music that occupies more than one track? Why would anyone want
> to do that? (Hint: see subject line)
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> sorted. (The sequence numbers are unnecessary if you can sort by track #
> within some other sort; see above.)

I'm not sure if this addresses you concern, but I use the Grouping field
for all of my classical music.

So I have an album called: "Beethoven: Piano Sonatas Op. 106 & Op. 111".

On that album, I have two groupings: "Beethoven Piano Sonata Op 106
'Hammerklavier'" and "Beethoven Piano Sonata Op 111".

Track 1 of Piano Sonata Op. 106 is named "I. Allegro", Track 2 is "II.
Scherzo: Assai vivace", and so on.

When I'm listening to classical music in shuffle mode, I go into
Preferences > Playback and choose "Groupings" where it asks how to
shuffle your music. This way, iTunes only shuffles entire works, instead
of just all of the individual tracks within all those works.

But even without using the Grouping field, as long as you've got the
tracks of any given album numbered properly, they'll play in order when
you play that album (when not in shuffle mode). At least they did for me
before I started using Grouping.
Dan Drake - 18 Oct 2006 19:08 GMT
> I'm not sure if this addresses you concern, but I use the Grouping field
> for all of my classical music.
>  
> So I have an album called: "Beethoven: Piano Sonatas Op. 106 & Op. 111".
>...

Thanks. I seem to have missed a feature that's precisely what I needed.
Makes me feel much better about the whole deal (except my own
perceptiveness).

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