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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / October 2006Restoring "missing" fonts to Tiger 10.4.8 for Photoshop
I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. I don't know why or how, but when I look in the Fonts folder for these, they're not there anymore. I'm hoping to do a "reinstall" by looking around on a backup drive (this will be done on another Mac) for the fonts; if they indeed are there, would it be as simple as copying them to a CDR and dragging them into the Fonts file? I tried Disk Utility to check my drive and permissions, as well as DiskWarrior; all appears OK. Anyone know why these fonts would be missing in action? Thanks for any help, Paul > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. I don't know why [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks for any help, > Paul What fonts? Sorry; the fonts missing are: Capitals Regular DomBold BT Freeform 710BT Palatino They are greyed out and bracketed in the Text tool font list and no longer appear in any font folder. > > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. I don't know why [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What fonts? In article <1160747990.607640.182250@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > Sorry; the fonts missing are: > Capitals Regular [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > They are greyed out and bracketed in the Text tool font list and no > longer appear in any font folder. Barbarossa: Ahh, by any chance were these fonts in an old Classic/ System folder/ Fonts Folder? I don¹t recognize Caps or DomBold from the Adobe folio, and Palatino is an old Classic font from Linotype. In any case, fonts should be backed up like any other resource so that they can be replaced if lost or corrupted.  Signature________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________ Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt@ucsd.edu "Paul Soderman" <kidpocono@aol.com> wrote: > > Sorry; the fonts missing are: > > Capitals Regular [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They are greyed out and bracketed in the Text tool font list and no > > longer appear in any font folder. > Barbarossa: > Ahh, by any chance were these fonts in an old Classic/ System > folder/ Fonts Folder? I don¹t recognize Caps or DomBold from the > Adobe folio, and Palatino is an old Classic font from Linotype. > > In any case, fonts should be backed up like any other resource > so that they can be replaced if lost or corrupted. Barbarossa, again: OK, now this is just weird. I was checking my OWN set of fonts and neither my Palatino nor Times OTFs were showing up in FontBook - Argh - and yet there they were in the Library/ Fonts folder. Out of curiosity I double-clicked each of the font files in the folder and each one opened in the small sample window and each one said 'Installed.' Closing the little windows and reopening FontBook showed that they were now in the proper place and active as they should be. Is this some kind of FontBook bug? Signature________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________ Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt@ucsd.edu > Sorry; the fonts missing are: > Capitals Regular [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > They are greyed out and bracketed in the Text tool font list and no > longer appear in any font folder. Those are not system fonts, and would not have been installed by either Adobe or Microsoft programs. Where did you get them in the fiirst place? I don't use Fontbook, but suspect you need to uninstall them there to have them removed from the menu. Contrariwise, reinstall them... > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. I don't know why [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > DiskWarrior; all appears OK. Anyone know why these fonts would be > missing in action? Could you have deleted some Adobe files, the ones that contain their fonts in a PS install? Are they Adobe fonts? Have you taken a look at your fonts via Font Book? Finally, if it's the Adobe fonts that have gone missing for whatever reason, you can simply reinstall the app. SignatureJohn McWilliams > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. I don't know why [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > indeed are there, would it be as simple as copying them to a CD-R and > dragging them into the Fonts file? Barbarossa: Adobe CS puts a set of OpenType Fonts into a completely different folder: Library/ Application Support/ Adobe/ Fonts/ (set of fonts) ... about twenty (20) fonts consisting of about 138 type faces (regular, bold, italic, bold italic, demibold, &c., &c.) I do not use the Adobe stuff enough to know if these are activated or simply accessed by apps like Photoshop or Illustrator; if they are there you can certainly drag a copy of those fonts and put them in a regular Font file where FontBook can see them. If they are NOT there I believe they can be reinstalled from the installer disk(s). Also, you may wish to try a shareware App called 'FontBook' from; <http://www.unsanity.com/> . Very useful. Signature________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________ Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt@ucsd.edu > "Paul Soderman" <kidpocono@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Also, you may wish to try a shareware App called 'FontBook' from; > <http://www.unsanity.com/> . Very useful. I'm using Adobe CS 2 which places 41 font families which collectively include 185 font faces into Library/Application Support/ Adobe/Fonts. My understanding is that if these fonts remain in that location they will be accessible only by the CS 2 applications, but if they are copied to Library/Fonts they will be accessible to all applications. As an alternative to copying the fonts one can use the New Library capability in Font Book to directly access the CS 2 fonts in the location they were placed in by Adobe. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > I'm using Adobe CS 2 which places 41 font families which collectively include > 185 font faces into Library/Application Support/ Adobe/Fonts. My > understanding is that if these fonts remain in that location they will be > accessible only by the CS 2 applications, but if they are copied to > Library/Fonts they will be accessible to all applications. You can do that, but leave the folder named "Reqrd" in Library/Application Support/ Adobe/Fonts. > In article <0001HW.C155029900209B44B019F94F@news.supernews.com>, > TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You can do that, but leave the folder named "Reqrd" in Library/Application > Support/ Adobe/Fonts. That is correct which is why I stated that one could *copy* the fonts from Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts to Library/Fonts, but a firm reminder regarding the "Reqrd" folder is certainly worthwhile. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi Paul. Fonts in OS X is a very complicated topic, every bit as Byzantine as OS 9 and before, just different issues. One could write volumes, but I'll try to keep this short. Did you do a system update of _any_ sort? Often times a system update or especially an upgrade will completely write over the /Library/Fonts/ folder, thus zapping whatever you have placed there--even a seemingly unrelated item: did you upgrade to iTunes 7 for example? (BTW, NEVER touch the /System/Library/Fonts/ folder. Apple Knowledge Base article #25486 notes that applications, including Apple System Profiler, TextEdit, Address Book, and Safari, may unexpectedly quit if system fonts are deleted or moved from /System/Library/Fonts/.) I recommend placing all your fonts in either your home Fonts folder or a folder in /Users/Shared/. The system will leave them alone there. If you put them into Shared, you'll need a good font management utility such as the FREE Linotype FontExplorer X--it's what Font Book should have been. Just so you know, the Adobe Creative Suite installer can place fonts in six folders (directories): /Library/Fonts/ (the main library) ~/Library/Fonts/ (your user's library) /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts/ /Library/Application Support/Adobe/PDFL/<version #>/Fonts /Application/Adobe Illustrator CS/Fonts/ /Application/Adobe InDesign CS/Fonts/ though, AFAIK none of the fonts you mention are among what Adobe installs. Further, none of the fonts installed in the Adobe folders are available to other apps unless you do a little slight of hand with a font manager. Don't move any of the ones in App Supp because something in one of the CS apps could break. (I'll expand on this if you ask; don't want to be too long winded.) Hope this helps, --Fred > I recommend placing all your fonts in either your home Fonts folder or a > folder in /Users/Shared/. The system will leave them alone there. If you put > them into Shared, you'll need a good font management utility such as the FREE > Linotype FontExplorer X--it's what Font Book should have been Font Book can access fonts saved in any folder accessible to the active account on your Mac by using the New Library command. All one needs to do is to create the library and then drag into Font List for that library the folder containing the fonts to be included in that library. There is no need to install a different font manager to access the fonts placed into /Users/Shared. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > > I recommend placing all your fonts in either your home Fonts folder or a > > folder in /Users/Shared/. The system will leave them alone there. If you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to install a different font manager to access the fonts placed into > /Users/Shared. Hi James, I never said you _need_ to use a different font manager. My point is that while Font Book is a good start, especially considering where Apple's font management started i.e. nowhere, FontExplorer is vastly superior if one _wants_ better, near-professional level font control. Font Book will do just what you say. it's just that FontExplorer will do that and so much more. And for those who haven't used a font manager before, DO NOT use Font Book and another font manager together--one or the other, not both. --Fred I suppose that it was some upgrades that may have caused problems, as I've installed the Apple upgrades to Tiger (10.4.8) as well as iTunes 7 and perhaps some others in the last month or so. To be honest, I have no idea where I'd picked up these fonts from over the years. They may well have been with my OS 9 stuff. I did use them with Photoshop, though. I have backed up my drive using Super Duper, and I also have Carbon Copy Cloner. So far, I've been unable to find the fonts on the backup, though, but this may be due to my backing up the drive as a "sparse image" file to an external drive. In the past, I've had a little trouble understanding exactly how to use this type of backup to restore. I guess that I don't want to really restore the whole drive, using the archive/install function; is there a way that I should use that to just find and restore the Fonts folder (I have an older backup at work that likely would have what I had on the drive before the most recent upgrades referenced above). Thanks again for the help! > > I've been having some problems lately with Photoshop files reporting > > all of a sudden that certain fonts are not installed. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > --Fred Actually, I reinstalled the program and things now work OK. I guess that I simply should have initally done a re-install, but I don't think that my process of diagnosing the problem was necessarily incorrect, since the Fonts folder and the Adobe Application Support folder certainly seemed like the likely culprits. When the program worked OK in OS 9 after I tried it there, I went for the reinstall. Still don't understand how Photoshop can "use" fonts which aren't shown anywhere in the Fonts folder etc. Thanks again for all of the help and attention to this inquiry!! > I suppose that it was some upgrades that may have caused problems, as > I've installed the Apple upgrades to Tiger (10.4.8) as well as iTunes 7 [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > > > --Fred > ...Still don't understand how Photoshop can "use" fonts which aren't shown > anywhere in the Fonts folder etc. All it takes is a simple startup instruction within the app to the effect, 'On startup, look for fonts to use in these places <wherever> in addition to the normal places.' For any of the Adobe CS apps, the extra places are here (from my previous post): /Library/Fonts/ (the main library) ~/Library/Fonts/ (your user's library) /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts/ /Library/Application Support/Adobe/PDFL/<version #>/Fonts /Application/Adobe Illustrator CS/Fonts/ /Application/Adobe InDesign CS/Fonts/ The last four, especially the PDFL folder are not intuitive, and cause one to wonder where these fonts are. It's just a matter of live and learn--and read Usenet! --Fred > ...I have backed up my drive using Super Duper, and I also have Carbon > Copy Cloner. So far, I've been unable to find the fonts on the backup, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > at work that likely would have what I had on the drive before the most > recent upgrades referenced above). You did exactly the right thing. Unless you want to make the backup an alternative bootable drive, the sparse disk image is the way to go. To 'recover' a few files from the backup, just double click on the sparseimage icon. It will mount on your desktop as though it were a real, separate physical volume. You can then explore that 'disk' to find where you put the files you want to recover. They should be in the exact same place they were on the original. One important warning: DO NOT copy the /Library/Fonts/ backup folder as a unit to replace the /Library/Fonts/ folder on the boot volume. Besides if you are actually booted from that volume, the system probably won't let you replace items in use. Instead just copy _your_ fonts to another folder such as ~/Library/Fonts/ and relogin. Apple sometimes makes revisions in the fonts it supplies without telling us. Old versions of these fonts, even though they may look exactly the same, can cause trouble. --Fred |
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