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Mac Forum / Applications / Internet Explorer / January 2006The unavoidable truth: you have to be stupid as a monkey on a rock to buy a Macintosh.
You know, I've always been suspicious about Macintoshs. They don't have a TENTH the available software that PCs have, and the RUMOR that they don't crash as often as PCs sure isn't true. Heck, I'm running Disk Warrior every other MONTH to recover from freakin' disk errors after my G3 crashes hard -- from doing horrible things like MOVING THE MOUSE. But now I'm running proof, straight from God, that I was an idiot to buy a Mac. Nearly half the sites I go to tell me I need to upgrade my browser, because their page won't work right with the browser I've got. Orbitz, Yahoo mail, and the Onion are three examples. The catch? I've got the LATEST browser -- IE 5.1 for Macs. And the browsers recommended -- Safari, Netscape 7, Firefox, only run on OS X, which means I'd have to upgrade. So in a *weird* coincidence -- or we could call it a CONSPIRACY -- it seems like in the near future, every other idiot with a Mac running OS 9 or earlier WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE WEB. Isn't that funny? Millions of people, all forced to buy a new operating system. Anybody want to confirm this for me? Commiserate? Don't tell me to upgrade to OS X, though, because I"m not interested. OS 9 is fine with me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. <snip> Get a life  Signature------------------------------------------- Swedish Webcams <http://www.webcams.zap.to> ------------------------------------------- macs are awsome. Yah get a life > From: Harri Mellin <atz02-NoSpAm-@netscape.net> > Organization: NoWhere [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Get a life Let's be more specific. You have to stupid as a monkey on a rock to buy a Mac running Mac OS 9. Would you buy a Windoze machine with Windoze 3.1 and expect it to do everything a new machine can do? Apparently you think so. NO software for any version of Mac systems before OS X will work perfectly in the new network environments (especially on the Internet). All their software in no longer supported or updated. Duh? I'm an Information Systems specialist for a large company and Mac OS X systems are absolutely ROCK SOLID! To quote my buddy Bugs... "What a maroon!" > You know, I've always been suspicious about Macintoshs. They don't > have a TENTH the available software that PCs have, and the RUMOR that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. > It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. The problem is that you're running OS 9, which is like running Win 95 - you're cruisin' for a bruisin'. OS X has been out for several years. The beta version of OS X was released in September 2000. The full version was released on March 24, 2001. In other words, OS 10 has been out for at least 4.5 YEARS. Much was made at the time of the fact that it was a totally new operating system. This is not news. To use your car analogy, your system is still running on regular LEADED fuel and needs to be cranked to start, and all the gas stations have changed over to unleaded across the board, and all the cars have electronic ignitions! Some conspiracy. The latest Internet Explorer browser for the Mac, which will NOT be updated or upgraded, so lose it, is IE 5.2.3, not 5.1. Fewer than 2% of my clients' (I'm a web developer) use IE5.2.3, and most of the time it's cloer to 0%. Others in my web develpment mailing list say that their site stats show that IE5.2.3 isn't being used to access their web sites for months on end. If I'm designing a site, why would I bust my butt to make it work on a browser that close to 0% of end users are using, especially when more than 90% of my end users are using Internet Explorer 6.0, Safari, and both platform versions of Firefox? I build a site to work on both platforms across a variety of browsers, but I certainly don't try to make sure it works on every browser ever made! Please! As for the amount of software out there, a lot more software is available for OS X than ever was for OS 9. And frankly, with all the software on my Mac, I have more than enough to keep me busy 24 hours a day. I have 103 applications at least on my computer. I'm not feeling too deprived. How many games CAN you play in a day? Do you really need Barbie makeover software to do your job? Do you really need 12 recipe management/cookbook programs, or will one do? Yes, a couple are available for OS X. How many languages do you want to learn (most are available for OS X)? I have 2500+ fonts on my Mac, run by an extremely robust third-party font manager made mainly for OS X. A stepped-down version is available for the PC. I can even do some programming on my Mac, and if worse comes to worst, there's Virtual PC, or a stand-alone PC (which is what I have, too). OS X is powerful enough to run Illustrator, Photoshop, Entourage, Excel, Words, Dreamweaver, PowerPoint, and RSS newsreader, iTunes, and more - at the same time. Yes, that includes actually using them, including manipulating several large images at once. Your computer is coughing and sputtering because it's very old in computer years, and you're blaming the manufacturer because their operating system wasn't designed to last 10 years. Forced to upgrade? Maybe, but I wouldn't go back for a million dollars. It's like experiencing DSL after dial-up. You'll never go back. > You know, I've always been suspicious about Macintoshs. They don't > have a TENTH the available software that PCs have, and the RUMOR that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. > It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. Theresa, you are one in a million. Don't know why, but I got more intelligent responses on alt.fan.the_wb and rec.sports.thumb-sucking. Not one single person offered a reason why I should upgrade -- like I could run Photoshop and Illustrator at the same time, something that's confounded this computer -- or statistics about browser usage. You've convinced me: I should upgrade. Unfortunately, I can't, and this is probably the reason for my anger. I bought this computer used -- which means I don't have software disks, which means I can't upgrade. The software that's on here would cost three or four thousand to buy. Anyway, once again, thanks for the intelligent response. I think I need to look for a newer used Mac. :) > Theresa, you are one in a million. Don't know why, but I got more > intelligent responses on alt.fan.the_wb and rec.sports.thumb-sucking. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Anyway, once again, thanks for the intelligent response. I think I > need to look for a newer used Mac. :) Glad I could help! I understand your anger, though. That sucks. SignatureTheresa Mesa Mesa Design House http://mesadesignhouse.com Please reply to newsgroup Hello, I have similar problems with IE 5.1 and it seems as though it gets worse as time passes. I think that it is a problem with the construction of the web sites using new program technology used in the code design of the pages. Recently I am constantly getting dialog boxes telling me that an error has occured after waiting for the spinning beachball to stop and tell me that their is a jScript error. Try downloading Netscape 7 for classic Mac and installing. It lets me load sites that I can't with IE 5.1. Good luck! Sincerely, Ivan > You know, I've always been suspicious about Macintoshs. They don't > have a TENTH the available software that PCs have, and the RUMOR that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. > It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. Get yourself iCab! www.iCab.de > Hello, I have similar problems with IE 5.1 and it seems as though it > gets worse as time passes. I think that it is a problem with the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. > > It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. Is this Pluto guy for real? What an asshat. On 12/31/05 6:59 PM, in article 43B71B58.2000505@ktb.net, "Ivan & Helen Craig" <hrandiac@ktb.net> wrote: > Hello, I have similar problems with IE 5.1 and it seems as though it > gets worse as time passes. I think that it is a problem with the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> me, and it pisses me off that somebody's trying to force me to upgrade. >> It's like changing gasoline to make me buy a new car. > But now I'm running proof, straight from God, that I was an idiot to > buy a Mac. Nearly half the sites I go to tell me I need to upgrade my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > other idiot with a Mac running OS 9 or earlier WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS > THE WEB. Mac OS 9 and IE for Mac are both dead products. Mac OS 9 hasn't been sold or updated for use without Mac OS X since January 2001, which is five years ago. IE for Mac was end-of-lifed by Microsoft December 2005 after five years since its last update. Given that both pieces of software haven't changed while other technology has changed, it's not surprising that the newer software will be incompatible. Whether you like it or not, software is typically developed with the intention of providing support for only a few years. Your hardware, on the other hand, should last several years and through at least a few major upgrades. Treat them separately, not as a whole. You're trying to use your G3 Mac like a kitchen appliance. It's not. Your hardware was made to allow it to change and adapt (with software upgrades) as technology changes. If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to take advantage of its capabilities. By the way, this applies to Windows and UNIX systems as well, not just Macs. bill SignatureWilliam M. Smith (Microsoft Interop MVP) > If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to > take advantage of its capabilities. But if you choose NOT to upgrade, you shouldn't end up with a paperweight in two or three years. Sorry, this is a new concept to me, and I can't believe other people don't have problems with it. When you buy a computer, or software, there's no guarantee that it'll work a year or even a MONTH from now? And everybody just says "Okay, fine!" and goes out and buys new hardware or software whenever Microsoft or Apple demands it? I used to develop software for a living, and I had one cardinal rule: whatever fixes you make CAN'T BREAK THE OLD STUFF. Apparently that's been changed: now it's possible they *try* to break the old stuff, since it forces all you sheep to go buy *new* stuff. I grew up in the seventies and knew people were getting complacent/lazy but this is ridiculous. "Yes, Mr. Gates! I'll buy whatever you want me to buy, Mr. Gates!" > > If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to > > take advantage of its capabilities. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > but this is ridiculous. "Yes, Mr. Gates! I'll buy whatever you want > me to buy, Mr. Gates!" Buy what you need, but also know that technology is changing at a very fast rate. I never buy the latest and greatest of anything, but I do try to plan ahead. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > > If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to > > take advantage of its capabilities. > > But if you choose NOT to upgrade, you shouldn't end up with a > paperweight in two or three years. Your G3 hardware, Mac OS 9 and IE for Mac are more than five years old. > I used to develop software for a living, and I had one cardinal rule: > whatever fixes you make CAN'T BREAK THE OLD STUFF. Apparently that's > been changed: now it's possible they *try* to break the old stuff, > since it forces all you sheep to go buy *new* stuff. What "fixes" are you referring to? And who are "they"? Your original post is about why you think you shouldn't have purchased a Macintosh. > I grew up in the seventies and knew people were getting complacent/lazy > but this is ridiculous. "Yes, Mr. Gates! I'll buy whatever you want > me to buy, Mr. Gates!" And why are you blaming Bill Gates (or Microsoft)? IE for Mac was a free product. Steve Jobs and Apple make Macintosh. bill SignatureWilliam M. Smith (Microsoft Interop MVP) >> If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to >> take advantage of its capabilities. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > And everybody just says "Okay, fine!" and goes out and buys new > hardware or software whenever Microsoft or Apple demands it? Hey - let's keep Microsoft and Apple seperate :) Firstly - nit - OSX launched in March2001. OS9 was the default-boot for the first segment of its life, and OS9 was really 'discontinued' as an independent product Jan2002. Should OS9 be able to be a capable OS? Well, in that sense, it's just as current than Windows XP (shipped August 2001) - the first OS9 build I have is from 2000, after Win2k shipped, so it's certainly more current than Win2k (which runs IE6/Firefox1.5 just fine.) Microsoft and Apple have always had different approaches to compatibility. Compatibility is just not Apple's strong point. Microsoft do take the "don't break things" mantra - often to overkill - Apple have a different philosophy. Anyway - rant aside - the latest Mozilla for OS9 was 1.2.1, and there was some unofficial builds beyond that, although now the Mozilla foundation recommend iCab for OS9 for security reasons (iCab actually gets security fixes.) And if you're a developer, do a new build of Mozilla/Firefox on OS 9 :) I'm sure a lot of the support stuff is still there... > I used to develop software for a living, and I had one cardinal rule: > whatever fixes you make CAN'T BREAK THE OLD STUFF. Apparently that's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but this is ridiculous. "Yes, Mr. Gates! I'll buy whatever you want > me to buy, Mr. Gates!" > >> If you choose not to upgrade, then you're choosing not to > >> take advantage of its capabilities. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > And if you're a developer, do a new build of Mozilla/Firefox on OS 9 :) I'm > sure a lot of the support stuff is still there... 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