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Do not buy the ipod for windows - it sucks

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GKM - 08 Dec 2003 18:22 GMT
I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
fails to add in their advertisment.

I now want to return it but guess what - I have to pay a 10%
restocking fee and shipping.  How does one try out an ipod without
opening it?  I would not reccommend this product at $500.
Jarkko Lavila - 08 Dec 2003 18:33 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> restocking fee and shipping.  How does one try out an ipod without
> opening it?  I would not reccommend this product at $500.

I think your laptop sucks.
Joakim Wendel - 08 Dec 2003 21:42 GMT
> > I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> > 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I think your laptop sucks.

I really think Apples marketing sucks in this case  ...
Sucks large even ! Why does a company have to be as bad as the worst ?
Sell your iPod to someone who will care less about the separate loading
battery procedure
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GDB - 08 Dec 2003 22:46 GMT
> > > I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> > > 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> > > with itunes.

. . . that sucks, but it's a two way street. Hindsight must tell you
that the money you saved on getting a 4-pin instead of a 6-pin FW option
has just bittten you in the rear . . .

> > > I now want to return it but guess what - I have to pay a 10%
> > > restocking fee and shipping.  How does one try out an ipod without
> > > opening it?  I would not reccommend this product at $500.

. . . the 10% restocking fee is painful, but standard for a lot of
companies these days.

Glenn
Jarkko Lavila - 09 Dec 2003 10:26 GMT
> I really think Apples marketing sucks in this case  ...
> Sucks large even ! Why does a company have to be as bad as the worst ?
> Sell your iPod to someone who will care less about the separate loading
> battery procedure

hmm.. FireWire is developed by Apple, so if somebody sells something
that do not meet the standards of FireWire, why blame Apple?
Gregory Weston - 08 Dec 2003 18:49 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Apple is required to tell you that a cable that doesn't feed power will
not recharge a device?

> I now want to return it but guess what - I have to pay a 10%
> restocking fee and shipping.

Well, yeah. Um. There's nothing wrong with the iPod, is there?
No SPAM Sam - 09 Dec 2003 02:14 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Gee, I guess the idea of an intelligent and informed buyer means nothing
to you?  Apple's information about the iPod clearly indicates that the
iPod charges via firewire. Apple users are well aware of the problem -
some PC card based firewire cards don't supply power while others do. Do
your homework and find one that does.

> I now want to return it but guess what - I have to pay a 10%
> restocking fee and shipping.  How does one try out an ipod without
> opening it?  I would not reccommend this product at $500.

One doesn't try out electronic equipment. One does research and makes an
informed decision.

Have a nice life.
Mike Rosenberg - 09 Dec 2003 13:26 GMT
> Gee, I guess the idea of an intelligent and informed buyer means nothing
> to you?

Keep in mind that he bought a PC instead of a Mac...

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Paul Russell - 09 Dec 2003 19:18 GMT
>>Gee, I guess the idea of an intelligent and informed buyer means nothing
>>to you?
>
> Keep in mind that he bought a PC instead of a Mac...

Yeah, says it all really... ;-)

Paul
No SPAM Sam - 10 Dec 2003 02:04 GMT
> > Gee, I guess the idea of an intelligent and informed buyer means nothing
> > to you?
>
> Keep in mind that he bought a PC instead of a Mac...

Yeah, but why state the obvious.
Brian Rost - 09 Dec 2003 15:07 GMT
> The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Geez, every bus powered FW device spec I've ever looked at had a
disclaimer about not working with 4 pin cables.

It's not like it's a well kept secret!

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drgarza@gmail.com - 03 Jan 2005 20:35 GMT
This article will give you step-by-step instructions on how to
successfully obtain your free iPod using freeipods.com for as little as
$1. Many think that this site is a scam or a pyrimid sceam. A scam no,
a pyrimid yes, a sceam no. You do have to put forth some sort of effort
to get a free iPod. You must get five friends or relatives to do
exactly the following...

Step 1: Click here to go to the free iPod site.
http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12541248
To participate in this great offer you must live in the US

Step 2: Use an email address at the bottom of the page and choose a
password. (they will send you email, so please use a secondary account)

Step 3: Fill out all required shipping information. This tells them
where to send your iPod.

Step 4: (Do not exit at this point) This is the part that over 90% of
the people start thinking: "Maybe this isn't for real." They present to
you 10 different "optional" offers. These are not any of the real
offers needed to complete the getting the iPod.

Step 5: Skip all of the previous offers and you get to the refer
friends page. You can start sending emails to your friends here or skip
this step and do it later.

Step 6: Complete an offer. This is where real companies like AOL, Real
Networks and more are advertising through freeIpods.com. This is what
makes them successfull. Choose an offer and purchase or sign up.
(Choose the RealNetworks Real Rapsody. This cost $1...yes $1 dollar for
30 days. Cancel anytime. Even if you forget its only $10 a month after
the first month. For signing up they also give you 5 free songs to
burn. This is the best offer. Nothing is free, but an iPod for a dollar
and a little work is worth it. Some offers change. There is always one
offer where you pay next to nothing or just sign up for a 30 day trial.

Step 7: Get your friends to do the same thing. Even if you don't
complete it you get to download five songs.

Note: Completing an offer and not signing up your friends is what they
are counting on. It is more likely you get intreagued and then give up.
This doesn't mean that it is a scam. All you must do it finish. If this
still sounds to good to be true then go pay $300 for a new iPod. Have
patience and good luck.

If you haven't started yet. Get your iPod here!!!
http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12541248
frl_4@yahoo.com - 06 Jan 2005 23:51 GMT
20GB and pc/mac compatible free
http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=9505348
not a scam go here for proof: www.freeipodguide.com
Paul Russell - 09 Dec 2003 15:39 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Yes, it's shocking. They also fail to add in their advertisment that
gravity is approximatelty 1g over the entire surface of the earth, and
that as a result of this if you drop your iPod there is a significant
probability that it may sustain some damage due to this hitherto
unadvertised gravitational effect. Someone really should call those
"truth in advertising" people.

Paul
David Glover - 09 Dec 2003 19:16 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Why should they? Apple didn't make your laptop.

You will find your iPod also comes with a charger, however. Try plugging
it into that.
Joakim Wendel - 09 Dec 2003 19:41 GMT
> > I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> > 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You will find your iPod also comes with a charger, however. Try plugging
> it into that.

Sorry for jumping in again ... Why not simply state openly that using an
iPod connected to a 4 pin Firewire port is far from ideal.

"Note: The iPod needs to be connected to a 6 pin firewire port in order
to recieve power at the same time it is synching with iTunes."

I'm using Mac's myself only because I hate being put in stupid corners
like this.
I'm simply ashamed at the bad vibes this whole thing gives, especially
since it draws attention from ppl who just are interested in the old Mac
versus PC bullshit.

Anyway if the OP could change the FW port to a 6 pin one i think it's
the happiest solution to a problem that shouldn't be there (some USB2
stuff comes with an additional USB port just to recieve power) is there
perhaps a powered FW hub out there that could be used aswell ?

I'm sorry Apple didn't point this out, I like my iPod and I like my Macs.

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John Johnson - 09 Dec 2003 21:37 GMT
> > > I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> > > 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> "Note: The iPod needs to be connected to a 6 pin firewire port in order
> to recieve power at the same time it is synching with iTunes."

From the iPod for Windows manual (p.8, the 12th page of the pdf):

Charging the battery:

[paragraph omitted]

If your computer has a 6-pin FireWire port, you may be able to charge
iPod by connecting it to your computer. If iPod is charging, the
charging icon appears on its display.

On page 9 (13th page of the pdf version)

What are the iPod for Windows system requirements?
[stuff omitted]
Built-in or compatible FireWire card (IEEE 1294) installed
For more information on compatible FireWire cards, go to
www.apple.com/ipod (which link I followed, and looking around found a
link to Belkin FireWire PC and PCI cards.)

I would say that the first portion of the manual cited (I included the
second portion for completeness) should be a tip-off. Of course, if a
person didn't know the difference between a 4-port and a 6-port FireWire
port, there could be trouble, but I don't see that one could blame Apple
for that.

[snip]
> Anyway if the OP could change the FW port to a 6 pin one i think it's
> the happiest solution to a problem that shouldn't be there (some USB2
> stuff comes with an additional USB port just to recieve power) is there
> perhaps a powered FW hub out there that could be used as well ?

Definitely.

> I'm sorry Apple didn't point this out, I like my iPod and I like my Macs.

IMO, Apple did point it out (it took me maybe 5 minutes to get to the
iPod for Windows users manual and look through it, and I own neither a
Windows box, nor an iPod). Of course, I also know the difference between  
4-port and 6-port FW, and read the manuals for the equipment that I get.
The OP might also have been trolling, which means that that person is
laughing right now; glad to have made your day better if that's the case.

Anyway, this thread is done. bye.
madiba - 22 Dec 2003 21:08 GMT
> Sorry for jumping in again ... Why not simply state openly that using an
> iPod connected to a 4 pin Firewire port is far from ideal.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> especially since it draws attention from ppl who just are interested in
> the old Mac versus PC bullshit.
Pathetic Mac apologist.. to Windozers!

> Anyway if the OP could change the FW port to a 6 pin one i think it's the
> happiest solution to a problem that shouldn't be there (some USB2 stuff
> comes with an additional USB port just to recieve power) is there perhaps
> a powered FW hub out there that could be used aswell ?
>
> I'm sorry Apple didn't point this out, I like my iPod and I like my Macs.
It DID point it out, its in the manual.
Its bad enough that Apple makes this superior technology available to
cheap Windozers, now you want Apple to provide ass-wipes for them too..

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Rob Kouwenberg - 20 Dec 2003 18:56 GMT
> I purchased the Ipod to use with Windows XP.  I have a laptop with the
> 4pin firewire.  The ipod loses power in 1 hour when you are synching
> with itunes.  The 4 pin firewire does not supply power - which apple
> fails to add in their advertisment.

Read the manual.

OF YOUR LAPTOP

> I now want to return it but guess what - I have to pay a 10%
> restocking fee and shipping.  How does one try out an ipod without
> opening it?  I would not reccommend this product at $500.

Jeez, what's today stupidity upcharge fee ?
 
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