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Mac Forum / General / Hardware / August 2008Startup trouble
Hi all - I have two nearly identical Beige G3s, OS 9.1. One exhibits a very odd startup problem. The progress bar begins moving ok, then just before the first extension loads, it freezes. If I restart, sometimes it freezes again, sometimes it starts fine. I'd say it freezes on about 70% of startups. I actually swapped the hard drives between the two machines, and the same problem exists on that same machine. Any ideas? Thanks. In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.0808071008260.11737@ubunix2.acsu.buffalo.edu>, > Hi all - I have two nearly identical Beige G3s, OS 9.1. One exhibits a > very odd startup problem. The progress bar begins moving ok, then just > before the first extension loads, it freezes. If I restart, sometimes it > freezes again, sometimes it starts fine. I'd say it freezes on about 70% > of startups. I actually swapped the hard drives between the two machines, > and the same problem exists on that same machine. Any ideas? Thanks. My god... People are still running Mac OS 9?! : )  SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > In article > <Pine.SOC.4.64.0808071008260.11737@ubunix2.acsu.buffalo.edu>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > : ) Hell, I'm still running 7.6.1 on a Quadra 630. :-P SignatureTom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF > > In article > > <Pine.SOC.4.64.0808071008260.11737@ubunix2.acsu.buffalo.edu>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Hell, I'm still running 7.6.1 on a Quadra 630. :-P Actually, I'm still running System 7: <http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997/> And System 6 on another old Mac SE... : ) SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > My god... People are still running Mac OS 9?! Not that your reply is any help with the problem :| , but: As long as you don't need to use a curent web browser, a maxed out Beige G3 with OS 9.1 is a super-duper setup. 5 drive bays, built-in scsi, ide/ata. Add a usb a/o fw card and there ya go. In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.0808080906310.12886@ubunix1.acsu.buffalo.edu>, > > My god... People are still running Mac OS 9?! > > Not that your reply is any help with the problem :| , but: Nor did my reply ever hope to be... ; ) SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.0808071008260.11737@ubunix2.acsu.buffalo.edu>, > Hi all - I have two nearly identical Beige G3s, OS 9.1. One exhibits a > very odd startup problem. The progress bar begins moving ok, then just > before the first extension loads, it freezes. If I restart, sometimes it > freezes again, sometimes it starts fine. I'd say it freezes on about 70% > of startups. I actually swapped the hard drives between the two machines, > and the same problem exists on that same machine. Any ideas? Thanks. Since everyone else seems obsessed with debating the merits of life in the classic lane, I'll try to actually help you with your problem. You didn't specify whether your drives are IDE or SCSI, so I will guess IDE. Since you already tried my first idea, to swap drives, that eliminates the drive mech itself. So now we turn to the IDE interface. It appears that the IDE may be going bad. Have you tried switching IDE controllers? The Beige G3 can only boot off IDE masters, but there are two channels. Your CD is likely connected to the second one as a master. If so, try disconnecting the CD and connecting the HD on its ribbon cable. If you solve the problem, then you know the other IDE controller is bad. Since the IDE's are hardwired, the only repair option is to replace the motherboard (not difficult, I've done that myself). Another bypass option is to get a SCSI board and hook a SCSI drive to it and live that way. And speaking of SCSI, if that is what your boot drive is on, then you can look for a replacement PCI SCSI board. Just make sure you get a compatible replacement. Some machines came with a SCSI-II board, some with a regular SCSI. Supposedly, there is a way to connect SCSI-II drives to SCSI and they'll talk down to the elder controller, and conversely there is supposed to be a way to get a SCSI-II controller to host SCSI drives. I have attempted to make this happen in the past and failed, so I now just say to make sure you replace SCSI with SCSI or SCSI-II with the same. Likewise as above, if you are on a SCSI I or II drive, you can get a used IDE cheap these daze and jump over to that as your boot option. jt |
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