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Mac Forum / General / Hardware / February 20089.2 on Beige G3?
For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of Beige G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into problems just getting to 9.2 (for Classic). Both of these machines have run beautifully under 9.1 for a few years now. I started completely from scratch: Initialize, install 9.0, install the 9.1 update. But when I try to install the 9.2.1 update the thing crash/freezes a few minutes into the install. I tried 3 times, same result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on these Beige babies that I haven't heard about? Thanks, MK In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.0802112152190.20058@ubunix1.acsu.buffalo.edu>, > For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of Beige > G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into problems just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > install. I tried 3 times, same result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on > these Beige babies that I haven't heard about? Thanks, MK I don't have a working Beige G3 at the moment, but I seem to recall that I kept 9.1 on it and that Jaguar would work with it. Greg B.  SignatureActual e-mail address is gregbuchner and I'm located at gmail.com Thanks, OP here. Both machines are final rev C 333s, one with a Sonnet 500 in it. I thought that one reason for the 9.2 update was better integration with X in the classic mode. But I guesss I'll try 9.1/Jaguar and see how it works. > For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of Beige > G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into problems just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > install. I tried 3 times, same result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on > these Beige babies that I haven't heard about? Thanks, MK The only person I know with one has no problems with it. Note that there were three versions of the Beige G3 and the first two had the same problematic IDE controller that was in the revision 1 Blue and White G3's. This sounds like the problem you are having. He only has SCSI disks, and the stock Apple CD-ROM drive. The symptoms show up with non Apple IDE (not SCSI) disks and CD-ROM drives. The combination of the drives and the controller chip default to 66mHz DMA and the controller chip can not keep up with it causing read errors. Apple drives came with firmware to limit their speed to 33mHz and work fine with the drives. My experience with random PC drives is what works are IDE hard drives 10 gig or less, IDE CD-ROM drives 16x or less and IDE DVD drives 4x or less. The recommended fix for OS 9 and large non Apple hard drives was to use the FWB toolkit, which had a disk driver that forced the speed to 33mHz, but I have never seen it and no one I know has a copy of it. FWB is long gone. OS X 10.0-10.2 also had the fix built in, but 10.3 and on do not. If you install 10.2 without OS9 and then install OS9 for "Classic" use only, it will work as it is using the OSX drivers, but then DO NOT boot stand alone OS9. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of > Beige G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on these Beige babies that I > haven't heard about? Thanks, MK I've got partitions with 8.5, 9.2 and 10.2.8 on my beige G3. The partition with OSX has to be smaller than... uhh, I think 8GB? But, 9.2 should work just fine. Any other hardware peculiarities you're not telling us about? SignatureBream Rockmetteller Donaldson's Dog Joy 509-450-0301 > I've got partitions with 8.5, 9.2 and 10.2.8 on my beige G3. The > partition with OSX has to be smaller than... uhh, I think 8GB? But, 9.2 > should work just fine. > > Any other hardware peculiarities you're not telling us about? Since Apple calls 1,000 megabytes a gigabyte, The exact number is 8,000 megabytes. Some people call 1,024 megabytes a gigabyte. The OSX boot partition has to be totally contained withing the first 8,000 megabytes. I've never done it, but I think you can use XPostFacto to get around that by having an OS9 boot partition within the first 8,000 megabytes and using it as a "helper" disk. Then what happens is OS9 boots, XPostFacto takes over and boots the OSX Kernel from the OS9 disk. The OSX Kernel then reads from the OSX volume as if it was the boot volume. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > > I've got partitions with 8.5, 9.2 and 10.2.8 on my beige G3. The > > partition with OSX has to be smaller than... uhh, I think 8GB? But, 9.2 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Since Apple calls 1,000 megabytes a gigabyte Only in the sales literature when referring to hard drive sizes since the manufactures do. In OS X and apple documentation a GB is 1024 megabytes which is 1024 kilobytes which is 1024 bytes. > The exact number is 8,000 > megabytes. Some people call 1,024 megabytes a gigabyte. > > The OSX boot partition has to be totally contained withing the first 8,000 > megabytes. Nope. It's the first 8GB (real 8GB). SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.0802112152190.20058@ubunix1.acsu.buffalo.edu>, > For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of Beige > G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into problems just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > install. I tried 3 times, same result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on > these Beige babies that I haven't heard about? Thanks, MK Before I got my iBook G4, I ran 9.2.2 on a beige G3 for years without a problem. SignatureD.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "They bury your dreams and dig up the worthless/Goodnight/God bless/And kiss goodbye to the earth/The other side of summer" In article <dfmanno-8F0D07.17371913022008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Before I got my iBook G4, I ran 9.2.2 on a beige G3 for years without a > problem. I still do. Rev A MB at that. > For reasons I won't go into, I'd like to install Jaguar on a pair of Beige > G3s. I've read about the quirks. However, I'm running into problems just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > install. I tried 3 times, same result. Is there a known 9.2 problem on > these Beige babies that I haven't heard about? Thanks, MK OS 9.2.2 runs just fine on beige G3s. My beige G3 moved from OS 8.whatever (8.1 or 8.0, I think) to 8.5 to 8.6 to 9.0.4 to 9.1 to 9.2.1 to 9.2.2. I put OS X 10.0.4 on it... and took it off really quickly. I put 10.1 on, and moved to 10.2. I used XPostFacto to move to 10.3, but that didn't work very well, so I moved back to 10.2. I've had 9.2.2 on it since 9.2.2 was first released. Of course, my beige is... not stock. It has a UltraSCSI card installed, and a 40 GB drive on that card, which is the boot drive. The drive on the internal ATA controller is a 10 GB, and I've replaced the CD-ROM with a CD-RW. I've maxed the RAM, and put in a ATI Rage Orion video card instead of the stock card. And I have a FireWire/USB card installed. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. |
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