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Mac Forum / General / Hardware / October 2007New iMacs
Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens made them essentially useless and the basis for a headache. I know that portable users can position their computers so this is not a problem, but not so with table top machines. What was apple thinking in using this type finish on their desk-top models? Also, do not like the new keyboards. Guess I will have to wait for the next iteration.  SignatureThe least you will settle for is the most you can expect to get. > Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum > computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens > made them essentially useless and the basis for a headache. Agreed. I got the anti-glare screen on my MacBookPro. Hate the glossy. It doesn't appear that an anti-glare option is available from Apple for the new iMacs, which is unfortunate to me, but I suspect that some third-parties will start to supply some decent pre-cut (or, hopefully, attractive and removable) anti-glare sheets for them. > Also, do not like the new keyboards. I wanted to like them. I like the very low front a lot. But I sat at one and tried some touch-typing and found it rather unpleasant and far more error-prone than my existing keyboards (including the one on the MBP). At home, I use a very clickity-clickity Matias TactilePro keyboard which I love. Mine was a gift, and they're pretty expensive. Thankfully, there are pretty decent and inexpensive third-party keyboards already available, so I wouldn't worry as much about the new Apple keyboards. > Guess I will have to wait for the next iteration. I certainly wouldn't let the keyboard keep me from buying an iMac. The screen kind of bugs me, though and I hope they come up with a better solution soon, but I got my current iMac a bit over a year ago and it's far from time to replace it yet. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > > Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum > > computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > but I got my current iMac a bit over a year ago and > it's far from time to replace it yet. Maybe some smart 3rd party will devise a hood for it. Then you'll have the benefit of the glossy screen without the reflections. Of course it may not look as good which is sure to inspire heart murmurs among the Mac faithful. > Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum > computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens > made them essentially useless and the basis for a headache. > > I know that portable users can position their computers so this is not a > problem, but not so with table top machines. Other than being able to rotate around 2 axes and taking advantage of a more constant source of light, of course.... > What was apple thinking in using this type finish on their desk-top > models? They were probably thinking that it worked out least-bad for everyone involved, them included. If by "Mac store" you're actually talking about one of Apple's own stores, it's known that they're a terrible environment for judging the glossy screens on pretty much all models. > Also, do not like the new keyboards. Me either. I don't mind it on my MacBook, but for reasons listed previously I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense as a corded desktop keyboard. > Guess I will have to wait for the next iteration. > > What was apple thinking in using this type finish on their desk-top > > models? > > They were probably thinking that it worked out least-bad for everyone > involved, That is not the way big enterprises should work. If there are NO complaints about the current iteratrion, do not change it just for the sake of change. "Least bad" is NOT a marketing innovation. It is a reciepie(sp) for a failed idea. If something is working, stick with it. Apple failed to do this and screwed up. SignatureEs ist nichts schrecklicher als eine tätige Unwissenheit. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe In article <Mencken-23996D.17341224092007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > What was apple thinking in using this type finish on their desk-top > > > models? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > complaints about the current iteratrion, do not change it just for the > sake of change. Ah, but do you know that there were no complaints about the previous iteration? Including within Apple? > "Least bad" is NOT a marketing innovation. I didn't claim it was. But the responsibility of a publicly-traded corporation is not to produce marketing innovation. It's to protect and expand shareholder value. By asserting that they have screwed up, you're suggesting that the losses they will experience from this change will exceed the benefits they may derive from it. So the question is: On what grounds do you claim to know that that's the case? G > In article > <Mencken-23996D.17341224092007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Ah, but do you know that there were no complaints about the previous > iteration? Including within Apple? No, I do not. But as a consumer of Apple products it was easy to see that glare from the new screen is a significant problem. So, I guess this could be considered a "complaint" even though it did not go to Apple. > > > "Least bad" is NOT a marketing innovation. > > I didn't claim it was. If not, you got very close. See your quote above. > By asserting that they have screwed up, you're > suggesting that the losses they will experience from this change will > exceed the benefits they may derive from it. I know nothing about "losses", but I do know exactly why I will not buy a new iMac at least until apple or a third party comes up with a non-glare application for the screen. > So the question is: On what grounds do you claim to know that that's the > case? I know it is the case for me. And my list of did not likes also includes the new keyboard. SignatureThe least you will settle for is the most you can expect to get. > > In article > > <Mencken-23996D.17341224092007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If not, you got very close. See your quote above. I see what I wrote. You appear to see things that I didn't. You've ascribed quite a lot of meaning to my statement that isn't actually present if you think I "got very close" to such a claim. I said nothing about marketing innovation, nor did I suggest that I liked Apple's choice. I simply indicated what I considered likely to be a primary factor in that decision: Their belief, based on whatever data they have available to them, that a given course of action would result in the minimal achievable sum of suckage. > > By asserting that they have screwed up, you're > > suggesting that the losses they will experience from this change will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a new iMac at least until apple or a third party comes up with a > non-glare application for the screen. So Apple has at least temporarily lost you as a customer for this specific model. That's a perfectly reasonable statement. But it's not a cause for someone to declare that Apple has "screwed up" unless keeping that specific person as a prospective customer for that specific model is a salient element of Apple's strategy. It's probably not. [commenting on the new iMacs] > Also, do not like the new keyboards. Interesting in that everyone I know who has actually spent more than a few minutes with one of the new aluminum keyboards absolutely loves them. This includes several friends and myself, all of whom are considered to be good typists. The keyboard is not only quiet, but has quite good tactile feedback so that one knows when a key has registered. Also, I happen to be one of those who is driven up the wall by noisy keyboards, the kind that fill the air with an annoying clickety-clickety-clack-clack-clickety..... racket. This becomes especially irritating when one is working in an environment where one can hear others typing. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > [commenting on the new iMacs] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > irritating when one is working in an environment where one can hear others > typing. Don't sit next to me, or suck it up. Keyboards should have springs, and be able to double as shocks for your van. Signatureclvrmnky <mailto:spamtrap@clevermonkey.org> Direct replies will be blacklisted. Replace "spamtrap" with my name to contact me directly. > > clickety-clickety-clack-clack-clickety..... racket. This becomes > > especially irritating when one is working in an environment where > > one can hear others typing. > Don't sit next to me, or suck it up. Keyboards should have springs, > and be able to double as shocks for your van. I also prefer the clickity keyboards, but there are environmental considerations - in my own office, or at home, sure. In an open floorplan work environment - not so much. I really did try to type on and like that new Apple keyboard. It's pretty, sure. But my typing on it suffered enough that I'd really really hate for it to be my main keyboard. Maybe I need to give it more than 5 min., but I'm pretty skeptical now. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > I really did try to type on and like that new Apple keyboard. It's pretty, > sure. But my typing on it suffered enough that I'd really really hate for > it to be my main keyboard. Maybe I need to give it more than 5 min., but > I'm pretty skeptical now. It would be interesting if a truly objective test were run in which the performance of a typist were affected, either positively or negatively, by the new "aluminum" keyboard. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum > computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Guess I will have to wait for the next iteration. I own a new 20'' iMac, the reflective glass is only a small problem. I keep the computer about 3 feet from a window, during the day the reflections are a small problem, no doubt about it. I've even been thinking about moving the desk so that the screen will be in front of the window, rather than at right angles to it. So reflections are a problem, but not that big and once evening comes reflections disappear. A bigger issue for the screen is the viewing angles for the LCD. That is the first thing *I* would change. The new keyboard is great until you try to type for an extended period of time, then it causes hand fatigue. It wasn't until 3-4 days after I bought the computer that I tried writing anything lengthy on it, until then I thought it was the best keyboard apple ever made. I guess the reason no one complains about the mouse is because people are just used to Apple computers shipping with the worst mouse on the market. >> Dropped by the local Mac store today and looked at the new aluminum >> computers. The store was bright and the reflection from the screens [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > are just used to Apple computers shipping with the worst mouse on the > market. ... or replace it almost immediately because mice are even more personal than keyboards. My SO has never use a default Mac mouse or keyboard. I stick with a keyboard from one model that I like and stick with it until I have to replace it. We both use identical Logitech 3-button mice. I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an after-market, third-party mouse. Signatureclvrmnky <mailto:spamtrap@clevermonkey.org> Direct replies will be blacklisted. Replace "spamtrap" with my name to contact me directly. >I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an >after-market, third-party mouse. I don't think I know any (non-laptop) Mac users who don't use a Mighty Mouse. But I'm new to the Mac community. > >I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an > >after-market, third-party mouse. > > I don't think I know any (non-laptop) Mac users who don't use a Mighty > Mouse. But I'm new to the Mac community. If there's one thing worse than a roll around mouse it is those track pads. SignatureEs ist nichts schrecklicher als eine tatige Unwissenheit. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe >> I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an >> after-market, third-party mouse. > > I don't think I know any (non-laptop) Mac users who don't use a Mighty > Mouse. But I'm new to the Mac community. Funny that. This highlights how interesting, and yet inaccurate, anecdotal evidence can be. I actually like the MM when I tried it, and my Logitech 3-button is getting a bit long in the tooth. Once of my tests would have to be how the mouse works with twitch games like Unreal, since this is one of the only games I play that really freaks some mice out. Signatureclvrmnky <mailto:spamtrap@clevermonkey.org> Direct replies will be blacklisted. Replace "spamtrap" with my name to contact me directly. >>> I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an >>> after-market, third-party mouse. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the mouse works with twitch games like Unreal, since this is one of the > only games I play that really freaks some mice out. Forget it. The right-click finger-lift problem definitely gets in the way of fast-paced FPS gaming (Unreal Tournament, Call of Duty, et al) where a missed right-click can mean death. For this reason, I keep my Logitech wheel mouse plugged in at all times so I can just swap mouses when I feel the need to blast things. : ) SignaturePlease let me know if you send email to this address so that I can be sure your email doesn't get eaten by pobox.com's ultra-aggressive SPAM filter. Help improve Usenet: * Learn proper Usenet etiquette: http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html * Kill-file Google Groups: http://improve-usenet.org/ JR > >I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an > >after-market, third-party mouse. > > I don't think I know any (non-laptop) Mac users who don't use a Mighty > Mouse. But I'm new to the Mac community. Now you do - ME! I used the mighty mouse for a while but found it a real pain in the butt - especially when scrolling thru documents - jerky and sloppy action makes it very hard to read text pleasantly Now I use a MS USB mouse with a MUCH smoother scrolling action, and the 2nd button is also much easier to use David > I can't think of anyone I know with a Mac that uses anything but an > after-market, third-party mouse. Here's one vote for Kensington 4 button Turbomouse. SignatureEs ist nichts schrecklicher als eine tätige Unwissenheit. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > Guess I will have to wait for the next iteration. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A bigger issue for the screen is the viewing angles for the LCD. That is > the first thing *I* would change. I am going to update my comment. I still think the narrow viewing angles are the worst thing about the 20 inch iMac display, but I have to say that the reflective screen becomes more annoying as time goes by. I am not getting used to it. 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