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Options for Transferring Data off of 7100?

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Fil - 19 Sep 2007 17:21 GMT
Hello,

  I need to get information off of a Mac 7100. I have been trying to
connect it to our Windows NT Server network but have had problems
getting a stable connection and am wondering about other options.
Taking information off on floppy is not ideal as there is roughly 200
MB, I think, of information on the machine.
  A few thoughts . . .
  * Is it possible to get a CD-burner & software for a Mac 7100?
  * Is it possible to get an adapter to attach a USB drive or flash
drive to a 7100?
  * I know I have heard of ways in the past to connect a Mac directly
to another machine. What would be the easiest way of doing this?
Preferably, if I used this option, I'd like to connect it to a modern
PC.

  Thanks in Advance,

  Fil
Michael Black - 19 Sep 2007 17:33 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> Preferably, if I used this option, I'd like to connect it to a modern
> PC.

I recently consolidated my old Mac stuff, and it was made easier by
coming upon a "modern" Mac, the Powermac 6400.  Unlike the other
Macs I had around, it used an IDE drive as a default.  So once
I consolidated various scsi drives and floppy disks to that
drive, I merely took it out, moved it over to my Pentium, and
copied it out that way.  I didn't have to get anything, unlike
connecting an SCSI drive to the Pentium which would require that
I buy an scsi card for it.

I presume the 7200 is recent enough that it uses an IDE drive
too, and thus this is likely the easiest route.

 Michael
Rob McCleave - 20 Sep 2007 23:28 GMT
> > Hello,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>   Michael

The 7100 is SCSI, not IDE.

You can hook an internal or external CD burner to it, as long as it's
SCSI.

MacDrive is a program that allows Windows boxes to read Mac formatted
disks, whether hard drives, Zip drives, CD-R, etc.

You probably have the AAUI adapter if you've been trying to connect it
to a WinNT server.

The network connection should work, but the old Mac OSs (Pre OS X) used
AppleTalk, and if it's supported on WinNT it's probably an option that
has to be switched on.

Hardware (like hubs or routers) between the Mac and the PC can be a
problem if they don't pass on AppleTalk traffic. A direct connection to
the server will avoid that problem.
David Empson - 22 Sep 2007 04:50 GMT
> The 7100 is SCSI, not IDE.
>
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> problem if they don't pass on AppleTalk traffic. A direct connection to
> the server will avoid that problem.

Later versions of Mac OS 7, 8 and 9 also support Appletalk File Protocol
(AFP) over TCP/IP, which will not have any problems passing through a
router. You would still need to enable AFP support on a Windows NT
server. It should be a standard feature available on a genuine server
edition of Windows, but won't be there if your "server" is actually just
the desktop version of Windows NT.

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Neill Massello - 19 Sep 2007 18:34 GMT
>    I need to get information off of a Mac 7100. I have been trying to
> connect it to our Windows NT Server network but have had problems
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Preferably, if I used this option, I'd like to connect it to a modern
> PC.

The 7100 is a first-generation PowerMac -- essentially a Quadra 650 with
a PowerPC processor. It uses NuBus (and PDS) rather than PCI, and SCSI
instead of IDE. Expansion cards for NuBus Macs were hard to find even
ten years ago. At this point, you'd have better luck finding an old SCSI
CD burner.

If you provide some details, you might get help with networking the 7100
in comp.sys.mac.comm.
Calvin - 20 Sep 2007 02:55 GMT
> >    I need to get information off of a Mac 7100. I have been trying to
> > connect it to our Windows NT Server network but have had problems
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> If you provide some details, you might get help with networking the 7100
> in comp.sys.mac.comm.

I had an external SCSI CR-R for my old 6100.
Wayne C. Morris - 20 Sep 2007 05:07 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Preferably, if I used this option, I'd like to connect it to a modern
> PC.

The 7100 has an AAUI ethernet port.  Modern computers use RJ45/10base-T.  
You can use an AAUI to RJ45/10Base-T transceiver to network the 7100 to
newer computers.  They cost around $30 new.  I did a quick search and
found a couple of dealers who have them:

<http://www.welovemacs.com/aaui-10t.html>
<http://www.welovemacs.com/pn512b.html>
<http://www.macsense.com/product/transceiver/LeeNet.html>

You might also be able to find used AAUI transceivers on eBay.  Just
make sure it says AAUI (or Apple AUI) and either RJ45 or 10base-T, not
10base-2.

I don't remember whether Windows NT includes support for Apple
file-sharing.  If it doesn't, you may have to set up FTP server software
on one computer and use an FTP client on the other to transfer files.

What kinds of files are you hoping to transfer?  Windows-compatible file
types, like JPEGs and TXT files and DOC files (Word documents), can be
transferred to PCs without difficulty.  Mac applications and many
Mac-specific files will have a resource fork which would be discarded if
you copy the files to a PC, rendering those files useless.
jt august - 22 Sep 2007 01:59 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Preferably, if I used this option, I'd like to connect it to a modern
> PC.

I used a Zip SCSI to pull data, and a Zip USB to read data into my new
machine.

A friend used an external CDR to move his files.

jt
KLK - 24 Sep 2007 10:11 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>    Fil

If you have a computer with a SCSI bus you can boot the
7100 in SCSI disk mode and read the data off the disk directly.
It takes a special SCSI cable,HDI-30 SCSI disk adapter cable,
or there were SCSI adapters and cables that could switch
between normal and target disk mode. Actually, it seems that
all you have to do is switch the state of pin 1, (ground/open)
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=9591&coll=ap>
and
<http://www.interfacebus.com/Apple_SCSI_HDI-30_PinOut.html>
Since the normal cable, the HDI-30 SCSI System Cable, had
29 pins, I'm betting grounding pin one signal's SCSI disk
mode. Check Google

Of course, your master will have to be able to read a HFS
disk which Microsoft probably won't do without a third party
solution. Now, if you have another Mac that will read
a SCSI bus and make a stable ethernet connection...

KLK19
Clark Martin - 25 Sep 2007 06:49 GMT
> If you have a computer with a SCSI bus you can boot the
> 7100 in SCSI disk mode and read the data off the disk directly.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> solution. Now, if you have another Mac that will read
> a SCSI bus and make a stable ethernet connection...

It will also take the magic spell to put the 7100 in SCSI disk mode
because only LAPTOPS do SCSI Disk mode!

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