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G4/400 Sawtooth vs G4/533 Digital Audio

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magdalena - 21 Aug 2007 18:59 GMT
I'll be buying a friend's G4/533 DA when he gets his new Intel iMac. I
have a G4/400 Sawtooth.  Since my husband doesn't need a superduper
machine (he only does email, web, and word processing), I'm thinking of
giving him my G4/400 and I'll take the G4/533. Is the G4/533 DA much of
an improvement over the G4/400? IOW, is it worth the hassle of
transferring all my stuff over, reinstalling software, etc.?
Greg Buchner - 21 Aug 2007 21:16 GMT
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<magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,

> I'll be buying a friend's G4/533 DA when he gets his new Intel iMac. I
> have a G4/400 Sawtooth.  Since my husband doesn't need a superduper
> machine (he only does email, web, and word processing), I'm thinking of
> giving him my G4/400 and I'll take the G4/533. Is the G4/533 DA much of
> an improvement over the G4/400? IOW, is it worth the hassle of
> transferring all my stuff over, reinstalling software, etc.?

I'd think it would be.  You get a faster memory bus, 133MHz vs 100MHz
and a faster graphics bus, 4X AGP vs 2X AGP.  Or course, this all could
depend on how much memory you have in your current G4 and how much is in
the G4 you're buying.  In OS X, the Mac with the larger amount of memory
likely will feel faster overall.

A few years back when I decided to upgrade from a Beige G3 to a G4, I
considered the G4 Digital Audio model to be the lowest end G4 I'd buy.  
I ended up with a G4/533 DA.  Since upgraded, but I wouldn't consider
putting much money into upgrading a Mac this old these days.

BTW - I just used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy everything from my G3 to my
G4.  This was 10.2.8.  Later upgraded to 10.3 followed by 10.4, so
transferring stuff was fairly painless.

OS X retail boxes tend to do a full install that works on any supported
system.  You don't want to do that with an OS X install that came with
the computer as original software.

Greg Buchner

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magdalena - 21 Aug 2007 21:30 GMT
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> <magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> Greg Buchner

The G4/533 DA has 10.4.10 on it. Can I use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy
everything (my documents, applications, preferences) but the system?
David Empson - 22 Aug 2007 01:40 GMT
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> > <magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> > the G4 you're buying.  In OS X, the Mac with the larger amount of memory
> > likely will feel faster overall.

A minor point relating to memory: the Digital Audio model only has three
memory slots, while the Sawtooth has four. Under Mac OS X, this means
the Digital Audio's maximum memory is 1.5 GB, while the Sawtooth can go
up to 2.0 GB.

> The G4/533 DA has 10.4.10 on it. Can I use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy
> everything (my documents, applications, preferences) but the system?

No. It would replace the entire system with your old one.

Carbon Copy Cloner can pick which folders to copy at the top level of
the hard drive, but this won't work as third-party and Apple application
and system files are mixed together in the Library and Applications
folders.

You need to use Migration Assistant (in /Applications/Utilities) and a
Firewire cable (with the Sawtooth in Firewire Target Mode) to transfer
the data from your old computer, assuming it is already running a
not-too-old version of Mac OS X.

Migration Assistant is very easy to use. Just follow the on-screen
instructions. I did this when going from my PowerBook G4 to my MacBook
Pro and it worked very well.

I needed to reinstall a couple of applications that were unhappy about
being migrated, but almost everything worked without a hitch.

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Greg Buchner - 22 Aug 2007 03:04 GMT
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> > > <magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> the Digital Audio's maximum memory is 1.5 GB, while the Sawtooth can go
> up to 2.0 GB.

Ah yes, I knew I forgot something...

Thanks...

Greg Buchner

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magdalena - 22 Aug 2007 03:19 GMT
> > > In article
> > > <magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> the Digital Audio's maximum memory is 1.5 GB, while the Sawtooth can go
> up to 2.0 GB.

Thanks for letting me know that. It's beginning to look like I should
give the DA to hubby and stick with my Sawtooth. I have 1792MB of PC100
RAM, which can't be used in the DA, which only has 768MB. In order to
bump it up to the max 1.5GB, I'd have to buy RAM for it. Plus I'd want
to switch graphics cards if the DA has a lesser card than the Radeon
that's in my Sawtooth. Oh well, the DA will be a nice upgrade from
hubby's Bondi Blue iMac and OS9)! An Apple Studio Display comes with it
too, so he'll be in seventh heaven, especially with OSX.
David Empson - 22 Aug 2007 06:32 GMT
> > A minor point relating to memory: the Digital Audio model only has three
> > memory slots, while the Sawtooth has four. Under Mac OS X, this means
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> give the DA to hubby and stick with my Sawtooth. I have 1792MB of PC100
> RAM, which can't be used in the DA, which only has 768MB.

Ah, that's a significant factor then.  For your information, in case you
consider another model:

The Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet models (which use PC100 memory) have
four RAM slots.

The Digital Audio and QuickSilver models (which use PC133 memory) have
three RAM slots.

The Mirrored Drive Door models (which use DDR266/PC2100 or
DDR333/PC2700) have four RAM slots again.

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PumpkinEscobar - 01 Sep 2007 15:00 GMT
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<magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,

> I'll be buying a friend's G4/533 DA when he gets his new Intel iMac. I
> have a G4/400 Sawtooth.  Since my husband doesn't need a superduper
> machine (he only does email, web, and word processing), I'm thinking of
> giving him my G4/400 and I'll take the G4/533. Is the G4/533 DA much of
> an improvement over the G4/400? IOW, is it worth the hassle of
> transferring all my stuff over, reinstalling software, etc.?

What were you using the Sawtooth to do?

As far as data transfer, I'd just swap the whole hard drive.

PE

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magdalena - 01 Sep 2007 20:35 GMT
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> <magdalenabung-39DA7B.13592021082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> PE

I'm actually doing heavy-duty graphics on it! Yeah, it's old, but it's
still quite zippy! I will just swap the drive. There's an 80gig one in
the 533. I'll either leave it in there (giving me a total 200gig
including my 120) and buy a cheap drive for the Sawtooth to augment its
stock 10gig, or just put the 80gig into the Sawtooth.
 
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