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Do Mac's have dhcp addresses? (regarding Linksys)

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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 00:10 GMT
I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys
tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see
no Dhcp  setting under network preferences. Am I missing it? I have
hooked up everything. And I am even  connected to the internet. I am
trying to split my dsl connecton, to my pc in the living room. The tech
support said I have to have the Dhcp setting configured before I can
share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly suggested.
Silicon Sam - 23 Jul 2006 00:25 GMT
> I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys
> tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> support said I have to have the Dhcp setting configured before I can
> share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly suggested.

 Go under System Preferences.  Click on Network.  Click on Built-in
Ethernet or whatever you have, and click on Configure.  Should be in
there....

Raymond
henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 02:05 GMT
> > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys
> > tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Raymond
I figured out how to get the dhcp page to appear. The problem is that
when using dhcp it tries to access the internet through the the 56k
modem. The option to use the built in ethernet dissapears. This is so
frustrating. Linksys has no documentation on how to get this up and
running. Their website is the pits. Ugggghhh
Alice Faber - 23 Jul 2006 02:30 GMT
> > > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys
> > > tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> frustrating. Linksys has no documentation on how to get this up and
> running. Their website is the pits. Ugggghhh

On your Network preference panel, on the lower pull-down menu in the top
part of the window, select Network Port Configurations. Make sure
Built-In Modem is *UN*checked. Then, on the same menu, select Airport
(or Built In Ethernet, if you're wired to the router). If you've
unchecked Modem, the modem won't be available to be configured, and your
system shouldn't try to dial out.

Rereading your original post, it occurs to me that we might not have
enough information. Not only do you have to configure your computers to
get IP numbers through DHCP, but you *also* have to configure the
linksys router to distribute IP addresses via DHCP. The linksys will
have one outward-viewing IP address that it gets from your DSP service
provider, and it will, when properly configured, distribute IP numbers
in a private IP space to any computers on your home network.

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David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 03:31 GMT
> I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router.

Some more infomration might be useful: what is the Linksys model, and
what Mac model do you have? (The main question of interest for the Mac
is whether it has Airport or Airport Extreme.)

> I called the linksys tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp
> setting. But I see no Dhcp  setting under network preferences. Am I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> before I can share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly
> suggested.

It sounds like they are talking about the configuration of the router,
not your Mac.

In order to share a DSL or cable connection between multiple computers,
assuming you have a single public IP address, the router must be set up
to use Network Address/Port Translation (NAPT, sometimes referred to as
"NAT"). This allows a single public IP address to be shared between
multiple computers on your network.

Each computer on the network must have a unique private IP address, and
the router expects it to be within a particular range of addresses which
it will define. For most routers, this is likely to limited to a range
of up to 254 addresses starting somehwere like 192.168.0.1 or 10.0.0.1
(possibly varying the third component of the address). The specific
details vary between router brands/models, and may be configurable on
the router.

If you wanted to do so, you could configure everything manually, setting
up each computer to have a unique address in the range expected by the
router, and also set up the correct subnet mask, router address and
other settings such as the DNS server.

This is a lot of work, and it is easy to make mistakes.

To simplify things, the computers on the network can have their IP
settings configured automatically by the router, using a protocol known
as DHCP. When the computer connects to the network, it asks the router
for an IP address, and the router allocates one which isn't currently in
use. This is supplied to the computer along with the other settings I
mentioned above, which are sufficient to allow the computer to talk to
the router and the entire Internet.

To use DHCP, the router must be set up to operate as a DHCP server. Both
this and the NAPT setting will be done using your router's configuration
user interface, which is accessed with a web browser. Refer to the
documentation which came with your router for details.

Each computer must also be set up to get its IP settings from a DHCP
server. This is the default configuration for a Mac and for most
versions of Windows, so you shouldn't need to configure anything on the
computers unless you had previously entered customised configuration.

Once DHCP is set up correctly, each computer should be able to connect
to the Internet simply by plugging it into the router via an Ethernet
cable.

Establishing a wireless network is more complicated, because you have to
deal with issues like protocols, security settings and naming
conventions, which vary somewhat between manufacturers.  I haven't set
up a Linksys wireless router so I'll leave that for others to describe
in detail.

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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 04:45 GMT
I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX. I have sbc yahoo dsl. I bought
the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g. So far I have done the
following.
I changed the newtwork configuration to DHCP. THen I entered
IP196.168.1.1. Into the internet Explorer address bar. Then I was taken
to a linksys set up page. There was a pull down menu that had 3
options.
1. DHCP
2. Static IP
3. PPPoE
I left it at DHCP then I scrolled down and hit save changes. It
suggested that I restart to save changes. SO I did that. Once back up.
I opened the "Iternet Connect" application. But there was no "Connect"
option. Normally I click "built-in Ethernet" and click the blue Connect
button. But since my network connections are through DHCP the "Built-in
Ethernet" section disappears. I am left to connect through VPN, or
802.1X. Does linksys have their own Iternet connect application? There
is a software cd that came with the router. But it is for Windows only.
How would you normally connect to the internet when using a router?
Some one e-mailed me and said I should use DHCP in the network
settings. And PPPoE when I am at the IP 196.168.1.1. It is so
exhausting trying to do this. Don't let me even tell you about the
horrible time I had with the Linksys Indian Tech support.
David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 06:01 GMT
> I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX.

That isn't enough information to identify which Airport variant your
computer supports.

The Airport (or Airport Extreme) card is optional in some models, so I'm
assuming you have it installed. If not, you will need to buy one, and
the older Airport card is no longer available from Apple.

To be certain, go to About This Mac under the Apple menu, then click on
the More Info button, which will take you into System Profiler. Click on
the Airport Card item under the Network heading, which will reveal
whether you have Airport and what type it is.

The quick version:

- An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b).
- An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b).
- An iMac G4 running at 1 GHz or faster has Airport Extreme (802.11g).
- An iMac G5 has Airport Extreme (802.11g).
- An iMac Intel has Airport Extreme (802.11g, also supports 802.11a,
which is the same speed as 802.11g but runs on a different frequency
band).

Airport (802.11b) runs at a maximum speed of 11 Mbps.

Airport Extreme (802.11g) runs at a maximum speed of 54 Mbps. It is also
compatible with standard Airport (802.11b).

Looking ahead, your Linksys router supports 802.11g (and 802.11b).

> I have sbc yahoo dsl.

I assume you originally had a simple DSL modem connected to a single
computer.

From looking at the support section of sbc.com, I see that they use
PPPoE to connect to the Internet. This means that in your original
simple modem configuration, you would have used Internet Connect to
establish a connection over Ethernet, and your DSL account details would
have been entered in Internet Connect (or in the equivalent place in
System Preferences). (This agrees with your later comments.)

In order to set up the Linksys router, you will need to configure the
router to use PPPoE to connect to the Internet, and enter your DSL
account details into the router.

> I bought the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g.

Do you perhaps mean a WRT54G? I couldn't find any '53' models.

> So far I have done the following.
> I changed the newtwork configuration to DHCP. THen I entered
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> 3. PPPoE
> I left it at DHCP then I scrolled down and hit save changes.

According to the WRT54G manual, those are the options for the "Internet
Connection Type". For that setting, you should choose PPPoE and will
need to enter your account details. It should be set up to connect
automatically ("Connect on Demand").

You will need to save changes and restart the router again.

> It suggested that I restart to save changes. SO I did that. Once back up.
> I opened the "Iternet Connect" application. But there was no "Connect"
> option.

Once you've got the router set up correctly, the router is responsible
for connecting to the Internet. On the computer, you simply run your web
browser and go to any web site, or do anything else which requires
accessing the Internet, such as fetching mail. The router will establish
the Internet connection for you, and you will be online within a few
seconds. (If it was already connected, there will not be any delay.)

You will no longer need to manually connect or disconnect.

Since you are able to access the router's web-based configuration tool
with the computer set to use DHCP, the other critical router setting
(DHCP server) is probably correct. To check it, go to the "Network
Settings" section in the Linksys web-based configuration tool. It has a
subsection "Network Address Server Settings (DHCP)" heading, which
should show that the DHCP server is enabled. Don't fiddle with the other
settings.

If you get this far, you should be able to connect both computers to the
router using Ethernet cables, and both should have full access to the
Internet.

Setting up the wireless network is further work (and I'll need more
information about your computer first).

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dempson@actrix.gen.nz

henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 07:23 GMT
> - An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b).
> - An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b).
> - An iMac G4 running at 1 GHz or faster has Airport Extreme (802.11g).
> - An iMac G5 has Airport Extreme (802.11g).
> - An iMac Intel has Airport Extreme (802.11g, also supports 802.11a,

I have a 400 mhz G3 Imac blueberry 2002. When I clicked "About this
Mac" and clicked Airport Card. It said no Info found. I guess this
means I never had an airport card. So I need to buy an Airport card in
order to get this Wireless Router operational? Right now I have the
Linksys router and the Linksys Usb network adaptor. I ha no idea I
needed an airport card as well.
David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 08:16 GMT
> > - An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b).
> > - An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b).
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Mac" and clicked Airport Card. It said no Info found. I guess this
> means I never had an airport card.

Correct.

> So I need to buy an Airport card in order to get this Wireless Router
> operational?

You can configure the router using an Ethernet connection, and it will
then work with a mixture of wired and wireless clients.

For example, if your iMac is located near the router and the PC is not,
you could have a wired connection to the iMac and a wireless one to the
PC.

In order to have a wireless connection between the iMac G3 and the
Linksys, your first option would be to get hold of an Airport card for
the iMac G3. You might be able to buy one on eBay, but also look for
suppliers like OWC <http://www.macsales.com>, as they may have a stock
of the old cards. They tend to appear briefly on rare occasions then get
sold quickly.

Another option (which might work out cheaper) would be to get an
Ethernet to Wireless adapter ("Wireless access point") for the iMac.
This would plug into the Ethenet port on the iMac, but wouldn't be as
easy to configure as Airport. A potential benefit is that it is likely
to support 802.11g, so you would have a faster wireless connection than
you could get with an Airport card. The Linksys WAP54G is an example of
this sort of product, but there might be a smaller/cheaper one for a
single computer.

The speed of the wireless connection isn't very significant for a
standard ADSL connection, which typically has a maximum achievable
download speed of about 8 Mbps, but could be an issue if you have ADSL2
(maximum of 12 Mbps download) or ADSL2+ (maximum of 24 Mbps).

Standard Airport (802.11b) is limited to 11 Mbps, and the actual speed
you can achieve will be somewhat lower, depending on issues like signal
strength and interference.

The wireless network speed is more significant if you want to transfer
files between the iMac and the PC: 802.11g might allow data transfers up
to five times faster, signal issues permitting.

> Right now I have the Linksys router and the Linksys Usb network
> adaptor. I had no idea I needed an airport card as well.

Which model USB network adaptor do you have? Linksys have several which
offer wired and wireless networking options.

As far as I can tell, none of the Linksys USB network adaptors (either
wired or wireless) will work on a Mac, because they don't have drivers
for Mac OS.

Even if they did work:

- A wired Ethernet USB adaptor would be pointless on an iMac as it
already has a built-in Ethernet port (unless that port is damaged). It
might be useful on a PC if there is no built-in Ethernet.

- A wireless USB adaptor would be useful on an iMac which didn't have an
Airport card, but the speed of the USB port (theoretical maximum of 12
Mbps, real limit much lower) would be a limiting factor, making 802.11g
impractical.

An Ethernet to wireless adaptor is a much better idea, because it
doesn't require special drivers. The iMac's Ethernet port has a maximum
speed of 100 Mbps, which is easily fast enough for 802.11g (54 Mbps).

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Bob Nielsen - 23 Jul 2006 17:08 GMT
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:45:38 -0700, henree21 wrote:

> I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX. I have sbc yahoo dsl. I bought
> the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g. So far I have done the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> this. Don't let me even tell you about the horrible time I had with the
> Linksys Indian Tech support.

If you can connect to the router with a browser, you have already done the
necessary configuration on your Mac. You have a permanent connection to
the router and don't need to use the internet connect application.

The internet connection will be handled by the router iself. You need to
use the browser connection to configure the router. In the router's
configuration page there should be an area where you configure the
connection to your ISP. This will vary depending on whether your ISP uses
static ip, DHCP or PPPoE.

In the case of my Netgear wireless router, all I had to do was enter my
static IP address and the DNS addresses.  If my ISP had used DHCP, I
wouldn't have needed to enter anything (I have no experience with PPPoE so
can't comment on that).
 
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