Do Mac's have dhcp addresses? (regarding Linksys)
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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 00:10 GMT I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see no Dhcp setting under network preferences. Am I missing it? I have hooked up everything. And I am even connected to the internet. I am trying to split my dsl connecton, to my pc in the living room. The tech support said I have to have the Dhcp setting configured before I can share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly suggested.
Silicon Sam - 23 Jul 2006 00:25 GMT > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys > tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > support said I have to have the Dhcp setting configured before I can > share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly suggested. Go under System Preferences. Click on Network. Click on Built-in Ethernet or whatever you have, and click on Configure. Should be in there....
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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 02:05 GMT > > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys > > tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Raymond I figured out how to get the dhcp page to appear. The problem is that when using dhcp it tries to access the internet through the the 56k modem. The option to use the built in ethernet dissapears. This is so frustrating. Linksys has no documentation on how to get this up and running. Their website is the pits. Ugggghhh
Alice Faber - 23 Jul 2006 02:30 GMT > > > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. I called the linksys > > > tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp setting. But I see [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > frustrating. Linksys has no documentation on how to get this up and > running. Their website is the pits. Ugggghhh On your Network preference panel, on the lower pull-down menu in the top part of the window, select Network Port Configurations. Make sure Built-In Modem is *UN*checked. Then, on the same menu, select Airport (or Built In Ethernet, if you're wired to the router). If you've unchecked Modem, the modem won't be available to be configured, and your system shouldn't try to dial out.
Rereading your original post, it occurs to me that we might not have enough information. Not only do you have to configure your computers to get IP numbers through DHCP, but you *also* have to configure the linksys router to distribute IP addresses via DHCP. The linksys will have one outward-viewing IP address that it gets from your DSP service provider, and it will, when properly configured, distribute IP numbers in a private IP space to any computers on your home network.
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David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 03:31 GMT > I am trying to hook up my linksys wireless router. Some more infomration might be useful: what is the Linksys model, and what Mac model do you have? (The main question of interest for the Mac is whether it has Airport or Airport Extreme.)
> I called the linksys tech support. They said I need to configure my dhcp > setting. But I see no Dhcp setting under network preferences. Am I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > before I can share my dsl signal. Any tips and suggestions are greatly > suggested. It sounds like they are talking about the configuration of the router, not your Mac.
In order to share a DSL or cable connection between multiple computers, assuming you have a single public IP address, the router must be set up to use Network Address/Port Translation (NAPT, sometimes referred to as "NAT"). This allows a single public IP address to be shared between multiple computers on your network.
Each computer on the network must have a unique private IP address, and the router expects it to be within a particular range of addresses which it will define. For most routers, this is likely to limited to a range of up to 254 addresses starting somehwere like 192.168.0.1 or 10.0.0.1 (possibly varying the third component of the address). The specific details vary between router brands/models, and may be configurable on the router.
If you wanted to do so, you could configure everything manually, setting up each computer to have a unique address in the range expected by the router, and also set up the correct subnet mask, router address and other settings such as the DNS server.
This is a lot of work, and it is easy to make mistakes.
To simplify things, the computers on the network can have their IP settings configured automatically by the router, using a protocol known as DHCP. When the computer connects to the network, it asks the router for an IP address, and the router allocates one which isn't currently in use. This is supplied to the computer along with the other settings I mentioned above, which are sufficient to allow the computer to talk to the router and the entire Internet.
To use DHCP, the router must be set up to operate as a DHCP server. Both this and the NAPT setting will be done using your router's configuration user interface, which is accessed with a web browser. Refer to the documentation which came with your router for details.
Each computer must also be set up to get its IP settings from a DHCP server. This is the default configuration for a Mac and for most versions of Windows, so you shouldn't need to configure anything on the computers unless you had previously entered customised configuration.
Once DHCP is set up correctly, each computer should be able to connect to the Internet simply by plugging it into the router via an Ethernet cable.
Establishing a wireless network is more complicated, because you have to deal with issues like protocols, security settings and naming conventions, which vary somewhat between manufacturers. I haven't set up a Linksys wireless router so I'll leave that for others to describe in detail.
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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 04:45 GMT I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX. I have sbc yahoo dsl. I bought the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g. So far I have done the following. I changed the newtwork configuration to DHCP. THen I entered IP196.168.1.1. Into the internet Explorer address bar. Then I was taken to a linksys set up page. There was a pull down menu that had 3 options. 1. DHCP 2. Static IP 3. PPPoE I left it at DHCP then I scrolled down and hit save changes. It suggested that I restart to save changes. SO I did that. Once back up. I opened the "Iternet Connect" application. But there was no "Connect" option. Normally I click "built-in Ethernet" and click the blue Connect button. But since my network connections are through DHCP the "Built-in Ethernet" section disappears. I am left to connect through VPN, or 802.1X. Does linksys have their own Iternet connect application? There is a software cd that came with the router. But it is for Windows only. How would you normally connect to the internet when using a router? Some one e-mailed me and said I should use DHCP in the network settings. And PPPoE when I am at the IP 196.168.1.1. It is so exhausting trying to do this. Don't let me even tell you about the horrible time I had with the Linksys Indian Tech support.
David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 06:01 GMT > I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX. That isn't enough information to identify which Airport variant your computer supports.
The Airport (or Airport Extreme) card is optional in some models, so I'm assuming you have it installed. If not, you will need to buy one, and the older Airport card is no longer available from Apple.
To be certain, go to About This Mac under the Apple menu, then click on the More Info button, which will take you into System Profiler. Click on the Airport Card item under the Network heading, which will reveal whether you have Airport and what type it is.
The quick version:
- An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b). - An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b). - An iMac G4 running at 1 GHz or faster has Airport Extreme (802.11g). - An iMac G5 has Airport Extreme (802.11g). - An iMac Intel has Airport Extreme (802.11g, also supports 802.11a, which is the same speed as 802.11g but runs on a different frequency band).
Airport (802.11b) runs at a maximum speed of 11 Mbps.
Airport Extreme (802.11g) runs at a maximum speed of 54 Mbps. It is also compatible with standard Airport (802.11b).
Looking ahead, your Linksys router supports 802.11g (and 802.11b).
> I have sbc yahoo dsl. I assume you originally had a simple DSL modem connected to a single computer.
From looking at the support section of sbc.com, I see that they use PPPoE to connect to the Internet. This means that in your original simple modem configuration, you would have used Internet Connect to establish a connection over Ethernet, and your DSL account details would have been entered in Internet Connect (or in the equivalent place in System Preferences). (This agrees with your later comments.)
In order to set up the Linksys router, you will need to configure the router to use PPPoE to connect to the Internet, and enter your DSL account details into the router.
> I bought the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g. Do you perhaps mean a WRT54G? I couldn't find any '53' models.
> So far I have done the following. > I changed the newtwork configuration to DHCP. THen I entered [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 3. PPPoE > I left it at DHCP then I scrolled down and hit save changes. According to the WRT54G manual, those are the options for the "Internet Connection Type". For that setting, you should choose PPPoE and will need to enter your account details. It should be set up to connect automatically ("Connect on Demand").
You will need to save changes and restart the router again.
> It suggested that I restart to save changes. SO I did that. Once back up. > I opened the "Iternet Connect" application. But there was no "Connect" > option. Once you've got the router set up correctly, the router is responsible for connecting to the Internet. On the computer, you simply run your web browser and go to any web site, or do anything else which requires accessing the Internet, such as fetching mail. The router will establish the Internet connection for you, and you will be online within a few seconds. (If it was already connected, there will not be any delay.)
You will no longer need to manually connect or disconnect.
Since you are able to access the router's web-based configuration tool with the computer set to use DHCP, the other critical router setting (DHCP server) is probably correct. To check it, go to the "Network Settings" section in the Linksys web-based configuration tool. It has a subsection "Network Address Server Settings (DHCP)" heading, which should show that the DHCP server is enabled. Don't fiddle with the other settings.
If you get this far, you should be able to connect both computers to the router using Ethernet cables, and both should have full access to the Internet.
Setting up the wireless network is further work (and I'll need more information about your computer first).
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henree21@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2006 07:23 GMT > - An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b). > - An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b). > - An iMac G4 running at 1 GHz or faster has Airport Extreme (802.11g). > - An iMac G5 has Airport Extreme (802.11g). > - An iMac Intel has Airport Extreme (802.11g, also supports 802.11a, I have a 400 mhz G3 Imac blueberry 2002. When I clicked "About this Mac" and clicked Airport Card. It said no Info found. I guess this means I never had an airport card. So I need to buy an Airport card in order to get this Wireless Router operational? Right now I have the Linksys router and the Linksys Usb network adaptor. I ha no idea I needed an airport card as well.
David Empson - 23 Jul 2006 08:16 GMT > > - An iMac G3 has standard Airport (802.11b). > > - An iMac G4 running slower than 1 GHz has standard Airport (802.11b). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Mac" and clicked Airport Card. It said no Info found. I guess this > means I never had an airport card. Correct.
> So I need to buy an Airport card in order to get this Wireless Router > operational? You can configure the router using an Ethernet connection, and it will then work with a mixture of wired and wireless clients.
For example, if your iMac is located near the router and the PC is not, you could have a wired connection to the iMac and a wireless one to the PC.
In order to have a wireless connection between the iMac G3 and the Linksys, your first option would be to get hold of an Airport card for the iMac G3. You might be able to buy one on eBay, but also look for suppliers like OWC <http://www.macsales.com>, as they may have a stock of the old cards. They tend to appear briefly on rare occasions then get sold quickly.
Another option (which might work out cheaper) would be to get an Ethernet to Wireless adapter ("Wireless access point") for the iMac. This would plug into the Ethenet port on the iMac, but wouldn't be as easy to configure as Airport. A potential benefit is that it is likely to support 802.11g, so you would have a faster wireless connection than you could get with an Airport card. The Linksys WAP54G is an example of this sort of product, but there might be a smaller/cheaper one for a single computer.
The speed of the wireless connection isn't very significant for a standard ADSL connection, which typically has a maximum achievable download speed of about 8 Mbps, but could be an issue if you have ADSL2 (maximum of 12 Mbps download) or ADSL2+ (maximum of 24 Mbps).
Standard Airport (802.11b) is limited to 11 Mbps, and the actual speed you can achieve will be somewhat lower, depending on issues like signal strength and interference.
The wireless network speed is more significant if you want to transfer files between the iMac and the PC: 802.11g might allow data transfers up to five times faster, signal issues permitting.
> Right now I have the Linksys router and the Linksys Usb network > adaptor. I had no idea I needed an airport card as well. Which model USB network adaptor do you have? Linksys have several which offer wired and wireless networking options.
As far as I can tell, none of the Linksys USB network adaptors (either wired or wireless) will work on a Mac, because they don't have drivers for Mac OS.
Even if they did work:
- A wired Ethernet USB adaptor would be pointless on an iMac as it already has a built-in Ethernet port (unless that port is damaged). It might be useful on a PC if there is no built-in Ethernet.
- A wireless USB adaptor would be useful on an iMac which didn't have an Airport card, but the speed of the USB port (theoretical maximum of 12 Mbps, real limit much lower) would be a limiting factor, making 802.11g impractical.
An Ethernet to wireless adaptor is a much better idea, because it doesn't require special drivers. The iMac's Ethernet port has a maximum speed of 100 Mbps, which is easily fast enough for 802.11g (54 Mbps).
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Bob Nielsen - 23 Jul 2006 17:08 GMT On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:45:38 -0700, henree21 wrote:
> I am on a Imac. I have the latest OSX. I have sbc yahoo dsl. I bought > the linksys wireless g router Model # wr53g. So far I have done the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > this. Don't let me even tell you about the horrible time I had with the > Linksys Indian Tech support. If you can connect to the router with a browser, you have already done the necessary configuration on your Mac. You have a permanent connection to the router and don't need to use the internet connect application.
The internet connection will be handled by the router iself. You need to use the browser connection to configure the router. In the router's configuration page there should be an area where you configure the connection to your ISP. This will vary depending on whether your ISP uses static ip, DHCP or PPPoE.
In the case of my Netgear wireless router, all I had to do was enter my static IP address and the DNS addresses. If my ISP had used DHCP, I wouldn't have needed to enter anything (I have no experience with PPPoE so can't comment on that).
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