what is the best hard drive for a Titanium PowerBook?
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Paul Nevai - 14 Jun 2006 19:18 GMT QUESTION #1. Are 7200 RPM drives too hot for a 800 MHz Titanium PowerBook?
QUESTION #2. If 7200 RPM drives are OK, then what's the best choice?
QUESTION #3. If 7200 RPM drives are not OK, then what's the best choice?
NOTE. Price doesn't matter [as long as < $250].
NOTE. Quality and warranty do matter a lot.
NOTE. I checked the web and I know my choices. I just don't know how the drives actually perform.
NOTE. Based on stats, it looks like a 100GB 2.5" Seagate Momentus 7200.1 7200RPM is a great choice. Is it?
Please respond only to the above questions and don't suggest to get a used drive or eBay or such. I plan to buy from a reputable dealer.
Thanks, PaulN
Tom Harrington - 14 Jun 2006 20:56 GMT > QUESTION #1. Are 7200 RPM drives too hot for a 800 MHz Titanium PowerBook? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > NOTE. Based on stats, it looks like a 100GB 2.5" Seagate Momentus 7200.1 > 7200RPM is a great choice. Is it? I expect it is, but I've paid less and not regretted it. I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I ran out of space) and they've been great. At <http://eshop.macsales.com/> the 100GB 7200rpm Travelstar will run $185, vs. $210 for the Seagate. Either's probably just fine.
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G.E.R.R.Y. - 14 Jun 2006 21:28 GMT > I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I > ran out of space) You've been spoiled. Remember when a 2GB HD was considered HUGE? ;-)
Gerry < who still has SCSI 2s, 4s, and 9s running >
Richard E Maine - 14 Jun 2006 21:36 GMT > > I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I > > ran out of space) > > You've been spoiled. Remember when a 2GB HD was considered HUGE? ;-) > > Gerry < who still has SCSI 2s, 4s, and 9s running > Um. I recall when 32 MB (not GB) was the upper limit of what some systems supported. My first personal hard disk was a "large" 20 MB one.
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Steve Hix - 15 Jun 2006 04:51 GMT > > > I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I > > > ran out of space) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Um. I recall when 32 MB (not GB) was the upper limit of what some > systems supported. My first personal hard disk was a "large" 20 MB one. We thought that nobody outside of a software development team would ever need more than 5MB.
Then we got a 10MB Profile hard disk (at work, I wasn't making enough to afford one for home).
It would boot up an Apple//e or Apple/// is less than a second, as long as you powered up the drive about 30 seconds before you hit the computer's power switch.
David Empson - 15 Jun 2006 12:57 GMT > We thought that nobody outside of a software development team would ever > need more than 5MB. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > as you powered up the drive about 30 seconds before you hit the > computer's power switch. The last time I turned on a working 5 MB ProFILE I seem to recall it taking a good minute or longer to do its self-test (including verifying every block on the volume). I'd expect a 10 MB one to take twice as long. Maybe it just seemed like eternity. :-)
I still have one in my basement but I don't know whether it still works. If not, the chances of reformatting it are now pretty slim, as it needs an Apple /// with ProFILE controller, formatting software, special firmware on an EPROM and a ceramic Z8 with "piggyback" EPROM socket in the ProFILE.
Thank god hard drives have got cheaper and easier to use in the last two decades!
BTW, the first hard drive I bought was a 60 MB Rodime in 1988. Cost me about NZ$3200 (something in the order of US$1600 at the time). Recently got thrown out when I moved to a new flat.
The first hard drive I used was a Nestar 20 MB one attached to our Apple II network at high school, around 1983. Rather large and noisy beast, kept in a back room, with a dedicated file server. It was about eight inches high, eighteen inches wide and three feet deep. I shudder to think how much it would have originally cost, but our school probably got it second hand.
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Paul Nevai - 15 Jun 2006 15:43 GMT :> We thought that nobody outside of a software development team would ever :> need more than 5MB. You guys all reminisce [smiley]. I am the OP but let me add...
One of my friends in 1985 bought a 5Mb internal HD for his Mac for 10K. This was his own personal Mac and he spent his own personal monies. He is just a regular guy, not a gazillioner. Can you beat that?
/PaulN
Richard E Maine - 15 Jun 2006 16:41 GMT > One of my friends in 1985 bought a 5Mb internal HD for his Mac for 10K. This > was his own personal Mac and he spent his own personal monies. He is just a > regular guy, not a gazillioner. Can you beat that? Well, not in absolute terms, but if you scale it down a little... (it was obviously earlier, so maybe I can claim that the dollars were worth more :-))...
I spent about $2000 of my own personal money to get, ummm... I think it was 2 MB of storage capacity... in floppy drives for my Apple 2e. That was 2 Shugate double-sided, double-density 8-inch floppy drives (I think it was 1 MB each drive, but if thats not right, it must have been 500k). Add a case and power supply big and heavy enough to anchor a fair-sized boat, plus an interface card, and the total came to right around $2k, not including any floppy media.
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Ray Laughton - 15 Jun 2006 20:00 GMT > > One of my friends in 1985 bought a 5Mb internal HD for his Mac for 10K. > > This was his own personal Mac and he spent his own personal monies. He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was obviously earlier, so maybe I can claim that the dollars were worth > more :-))... Not only that but good programs were 300-400kb so you could get a lot onto a 5MB HD. OTOH I recall looking for a used Mac in CA in 1985, nothing available in my price range of <$1000..
RL
Steve Hix - 15 Jun 2006 21:11 GMT > :> We thought that nobody outside of a software development team would ever > :> need more than 5MB. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was his own personal Mac and he spent his own personal monies. He is just a > regular guy, not a gazillioner. Can you beat that? Some people go for classic cars, others for sailboats...
TaliesinSoft - 14 Jun 2006 21:37 GMT >> I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I >> ran out of space) > > You've been spoiled. Remember when a 2GB HD was considered HUGE? ;-) > > Gerry < who still has SCSI 2s, 4s, and 9s running > I couldn't help but chime in, remembering how impressed I was when I forked out something like $1,200 for a 20 MEGABYTE hard drive for my Macintosh 512. Wow, a drive that held something like 50 floppies worth of data!
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Dave Balderstone - 14 Jun 2006 21:51 GMT > You've been spoiled. Remember when a 2GB HD was considered HUGE? ;-) I recall paying $1050 CAD for an 80 mb external...
Tim Lance - 15 Jun 2006 00:17 GMT >> I've used Hitachi Travelstars in my PB (replacing them only because I >> ran out of space) > > You've been spoiled. Remember when a 2GB HD was considered HUGE? ;-) > > Gerry < who still has SCSI 2s, 4s, and 9s running > When I bought my IIgs I had the option to buy a 20 MB hard drive. As the computer, monitor, and printer cost $2,000 I couldn't afford the drive. Oh! I did get a whopping extra 1 MB RAM though!!
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TaliesinSoft - 15 Jun 2006 00:57 GMT > When I bought my IIgs I had the option to buy a 20 MB hard drive. As the > computer, monitor, and printer cost $2,000 I couldn't afford the drive. Oh! I
> did get a whopping extra 1 MB RAM though!! it was in 1987 (if I remember correctly) that I bought a Mac II computer (around $6,000) and a LaserWriter Plus printer (around $7,000). Shortly after I had the Mac II I installed a Dove accelerator card (aroound $1,500). And people moan and groan about the prices of Apple hardware today!
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Grandpa - 15 Jun 2006 00:47 GMT >>QUESTION #1. Are 7200 RPM drives too hot for a 800 MHz Titanium PowerBook? >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 100GB 7200rpm Travelstar will run $185, vs. $210 for the Seagate. > Either's probably just fine. While others are reminiscing, I'll try to give you my experience: Q1: Not in mine. Q2: I've not had problems with the Travelstar; still running after six years of hard use. Q3: IME, the only "drawback" to the 7200 RPM drive is the reduced run time on battery power.
If you are comfortable with Seagate's warranty, its not a bad choice.
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