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finwicke@earthlink.net - 08 Feb 2006 18:34 GMT
when i try and print something that comes off the internet it comes out
very very washed out - almost white. yet when i print from programs on
my computer (quark, photohsop) it works fine??
thanks!
Mike Rosenberg - 08 Feb 2006 21:40 GMT
> when i try and print something that comes off the internet it comes out
> very very washed out - almost white. yet when i print from programs on
> my computer (quark, photohsop) it works fine??

Printing from the internet from _which_ program(s)?  To which printer?
Under which Mac OS version?

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finwicke@earthlink.net - 09 Feb 2006 00:11 GMT
thanks - for example, i just hit  'command p' to print this page and
the sheet printed almost white - i could barely make out, that it was
this page. then  i copied the text on this page (command a then c),
pasted it in quark and it printed fine?
using system 10.3.9 and printing to the same printer i've used for
years - HP lazerjet 4mv.
J.J. O'Shea - 09 Feb 2006 19:22 GMT
> thanks - for example, i just hit  'command p' to print this page and
> the sheet printed almost white - i could barely make out, that it was
> this page. then  i copied the text on this page (command a then c),
> pasted it in quark and it printed fine?
> using system 10.3.9 and printing to the same printer i've used for
> years - HP lazerjet 4mv.

When you 'print from the internet', which program are you using to connect to
the internet? Safari, Firefox, Opera, OmniWeb, MSIE (web browsers) or Mail,
Eudora, Thunderbird (email clients) or something else? If a browser, which
sites are you connecting to? what printer driver, PPD, etc, are you using?
What options are selected in the page setup and printer dialogs?

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finwicke@earthlink.net - 09 Feb 2006 20:34 GMT
if i use netscape, explorer, safari, firefox - all the same prob -
this might narrow it down - i just saved this page as a pdf, opened it
and printed it and it came out unreadably light - ? page setup -
settings - page attributes; format for any printer, letter szie paper
Jerry - 10 Feb 2006 04:19 GMT
> when i try and print something that comes off the internet it comes out
> very very washed out - almost white. yet when i print from programs on
> my computer (quark, photohsop) it works fine??

Are you trying to print web pages with light colored text on a dark
background?

As I understand your printer doesn't print the background so if the text
is a light color you get a light copy since it is now on a white
background. Web page programers are cautioned against doing this for the
reason you have found. On the other hand, maybe someone did that on
purpose to discourage people from printing directly from the Internet.
(Not sure why they would though.)

Jerry

> thanks!
daystartech - 10 Feb 2006 12:32 GMT
Make sure to go print. Check the print settings. Whichever browser you
are using will have preferences in the print dialog.

Make sure the "Pint Backgrounds" is checked. For some stupid reasons,
most browser programmers default this to "off". The "off" default
screws up any web page printing that uses non-black text.
Mike Rosenberg - 10 Feb 2006 13:38 GMT
> Make sure the "Pint Backgrounds" is checked. For some stupid reasons,
> most browser programmers default this to "off".

Um, not stupid at all:

> The "off" default
> screws up any web page printing that uses non-black text.

Since the vast majority of web pages do use black text and printing the
background is usually an unnecessary waste of ink, I'd say the default
makes perfect sense.

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daystartech - 13 Feb 2006 04:33 GMT
> printing the background is usually an unnecessary waste of ink...

Printing what a person sees, should be the default. Making decisions to
"conserve" ink is not the responsibility of a programmer.
J.J. O'Shea - 16 Feb 2006 18:16 GMT
>> printing the background is usually an unnecessary waste of ink...
>
> Printing what a person sees, should be the default. Making decisions to
> "conserve" ink is not the responsibility of a programmer.

Which is why Safari and Firefox, to name two browsers I have handy, give you
the choice in their 'Print' dialogs. The default is to not print the
background, because that is what most people want to have set for most sites.
There are some sites which some people will want the background, and so the
programmers allowed for that possibility.

Making decisions to conserve ink is not the job of the programmer. Making
decisions as to the most likely use of the program, based on actual user
feedback over an extended period, _is_ the job of the programmer. The vast
majority of users simply don't print the background of a web site, for
several reasons, _including_ the fact that it uses expensive ink. The fact
that a substantial portion of the public is still on dial-up and printing the
background adds time to an already over-long process is also significant.
Also significant is the fact that many web designers don't expect anyone to
print the backgrounds, and so put low-resolution pictures on their sites
which are good enough for viewing on screen but which look like hell when
printed. (Go to, for example, Amazon. Look at any of the pics which accompany
the items on sale. Download the pic and check out the resolution. I get 72x72
dpi, perfectly adequate for on-screen viewing, but not so good when printed
out. And that's for the _main_ pics when brought out to stand alone in their
own window, background pics, where present, are worse. 72x72 dpi pics produce
numerous visible artifacts when printed on a high-res printer, such as, oh, a
1200x2400 HP inkjet or even a 600x600 laser.)

Yes, you can have the browser print the background if you really want to.
Most people don't want to. And, given the results of printing the background
on all too many sites, there's a reason why not.

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