Mini Mac Performance with 1 Gig of RAM
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Ringo Langly - 10 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT Hi all,
My current machine is a PowerMac G4 dual-867 with 768 megs/RAM... and I'm looking at getting a Mini Mac 1.25 and uping the ram to 1 Gig (memory from Crucial, not Apple).
My question is what performance am I looking at with the Mini Mac compared to my current PowerMac G4? Though the processor is the same and it'll have more RAM in the Mini, the Mini will only have the 2.5" 4200 RPM HD while my PowerMac has a 7200 RPM drive. Will this ping performance any? I checked NewEgg, and either I was searching wrong or they don't have any 2.5" drives other then a couple of high-performance ones for $400 and $800. If I did find a 7200 RPM drive or 5400 RPM even, would this help the performance on the Mini?
This computer will be used for work, so Photoshop, BBEdit, MS Office, Entourage, etc. Many of these apps will be running concurrently. I don't however need high-end video for gaming or video editing -- my forte is graphics editing and web design.
Thanks .. just curious to see what this little $850 investment will handle :)
Ringo
o-chan - 10 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT > My current machine is a PowerMac G4 dual-867 with 768 megs/RAM... and > I'm looking at getting a Mini Mac 1.25 and uping the ram to 1 Gig [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and it'll have more RAM in the Mini, the Mini will only have the 2.5" > 4200 RPM HD while my PowerMac has a 7200 RPM drive. The performance will be similar I would guess. Yeah, the drive is 4200, and it does make a difference, but not that often. Boot time will be slower for example.
> I checked NewEgg, and either I was searching wrong or > they don't have any 2.5" drives other then a couple of high-performance > ones for $400 and $800. If I did find a 7200 RPM drive or 5400 RPM > even, would this help the performance on the Mini? They DO have 2.5" drives. Go into hardware - "see all categories" - and then "notebook drives".
There are 7200 rpm 2.5" drives but they're not as big as the biggest 5400 rpm drives you can get. I think you'll get a noticeable performance increase with the 5400 rpm drive but probably not much of one with the 7200 rpm drive. Remember you've only got an ATA66 bus connecting the drive.
Other World Computing also sells drives for the mini but I think Newegg might be a little cheaper. Both have a Seagate 100 GB 5400 rpm drive listed, the biggest I've found so far.
> This computer will be used for work, so Photoshop, BBEdit, MS Office, > Entourage, etc. Many of these apps will be running concurrently. I > don't however need high-end video for gaming or video editing -- my > forte is graphics editing and web design. Your current computer doesn't sound so bad for those tasks. I think you'll only see a small performance gain in the mini. Although, getting rid of a bigger desktop model might be enough of a bonus to upgrade.
Good luck.
Ringo Langly - 10 Feb 2005 17:22 GMT Hi o-chan,
I did find the 7200 RPM drives, and I might look at moving to one of these soon - though they're not cheap. Also thanks for the thing on NewEgg, I'm not sure why they don't come-up with a standard HD search.
A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth doing.
So at this point, here's my Mini Mac specs:
· 256MB DDR333 SDRAM - 1 DIMM · 40GB Ultra ATA drive · Combo Drive · Internal Bluetooth + AirPort Extreme Card · 56K v.92 Modem · Mac OS X - U.S. English · 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 Subtotal $568.00 (with my Student discount)
I'll spend another $219 at Crucial.com for 1 Gig of RAM and down the road spend the $150 or so for a 7200 RPM drive. This makes this little system about $937 after it's all said and done... but other then video it'll be a screamer :) I already have several external Firewire IDE drivebays, which I'll either stick the original 40Gig in or just pop for a 200+ Gig HD for extra storage. With these drivebays you can swap HD's like floppy or zip disks :)
Thanks for the feedback, and take care.
Ringo
BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 10 Feb 2005 18:28 GMT > A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will > drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth > doing. It might also overheat it.
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Invid Fan - 10 Feb 2005 20:52 GMT > > A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will > > drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth > > doing. > > It might also overheat it. He just wants a blazing fast drive.
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Steve Jankly - 10 Feb 2005 21:00 GMT I upgraded my IBM Thinkpad X31 laptop to 1GB RAM & 60GB 7200RPM. There was no heating or noise issues with the new drive. It doesn't product any more heat than the old 4200rpm drive that was in it.
George Graves - 10 Feb 2005 21:54 GMT > > A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will > > drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth > > doing. > > It might also overheat it. I don't think he means an internal drive, but if he does, your point is well taken.
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BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 10 Feb 2005 22:33 GMT > > > A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will > > > drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't think he means an internal drive, but if he does, your point is > well taken. I'm pretty sure he does, as he keeps talking about pricing out high-speed 2.5" drives.
I'm also pretty sure it's a bad idea. Not positive, but a strong suspicion.
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Oxford - 11 Feb 2005 00:28 GMT > > A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will > > drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth > > doing. > > It might also overheat it. what? overheat it??? nah, it has a fan if needed, heat issues have been engineered out of the design, any 2.5 drive will be fine...
clvrmnky - 16 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT >>>A 40 Gig 7200RPM drive is $113 and 60 Gig is $148. I think this will >>>drastically improve the speed of the Mini Mac, so this might be worth [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what? overheat it??? nah, it has a fan if needed, heat issues have been > engineered out of the design, any 2.5 drive will be fine... It depends. Larger, faster drives make more heat. Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 5-7degC more, depending on the manufacturer.
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You'd have to be sure that the fan on the mini moves enough air to keep the case temperature below a critical point. One could accept the operating temperature peaking as high as 40-45degC under load, but this might also depend on other factors. Either way, that is a lot of power to dissipate as heat.
The mini is made of plastic, right? I understand the chassis is some kind of alloy. Wasn't there a problem with early generating PowerBooks deforming as a result of CPU and HD heat? The other bits and pieces in that little case have their own temperature ratings, as well.
I'd make sure that the idle temperature did not exceed much more than whatever it is with the slower HD installed. I'd be concerned if case temp exceeded 35degC under load. This assumes "normal" room temperature, of course. Kilometreage will vary.
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Mike - 10 Feb 2005 22:09 GMT > > My current machine is a PowerMac G4 dual-867 with 768 megs/RAM... and > > I'm looking at getting a Mini Mac 1.25 and uping the ram to 1 Gig [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and it does make a difference, but not that often. Boot time will be > slower for example. I would say that his current machine would easily beat the mini, especially if it already has 7200 rpm drives. That and the dual CPUs and (probably) better video.
If you're looking for a replacement machine, then the mini will likely disappoint you. If you're just looking for a cheap second machine, then it might be OK, although for the same amount of money a better used Mac can be had on eBay. Unless space is a consideration, then the mini comes out ahead.
Ah, choices!
Mike
imouttahere@mac.com - 11 Feb 2005 00:39 GMT >Your current computer doesn't sound so bad for those tasks. #1 rule of upgrading, don't upgrade until you have to...
Keep the money in the bank and wait for a machine that is 2x the performance of your current rig.
That's what I do.
Ringo Langly - 11 Feb 2005 12:40 GMT > >Your current computer doesn't sound so bad for those tasks. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's what I do. Hello everyone,
I'm not really upgrading per say -- my PowerMac G4 will continue to be my primary machine at home with the Mini being a second unit when doing work. But _at_ work the Mini will become my primary machine replacing a 1.4 Ghz Win 2K box. The Win 2K box will still be there, but mainly for Exchange Administrator, MS SQl Console Manager, and a few other tools which won't run on Mac.
Ringo
Oxford - 10 Feb 2005 18:16 GMT you can always get an external 3.5, 7200rpm drive and use it as your main boot, app, file drive... that's cheaper than getting a slower 2.5 drive. the max size for a 2.5 is 100GB and is 5400. the fastest 2.5 is 7200 but is only 60GB. i suspect we'll see a boom in building 2.5 drives that are higher capacity, higher speed, the huge demand for the mini will make it so... but until then, using an external is the way to go if you want max speed...
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Steve Jankly - 10 Feb 2005 21:14 GMT Or you can get a 200-250GB 7200RPM drive w/8MB cache, and put it in a firewire enclosure and use that as the primary drive. It would be close to the same price as the hitachi 60GB 7200rpm 2.5". But that won't add to the sleekness of the Mini. Luxury comes at a cost, pretty much. It's up to you. From my experience, I benchmarked the hitachi 7200rpm drive on my ibm laptop, and it went 30MB/sec. I think theoretically, the firewire port can handle a maximum of 50MB/sec (400Mbit/sec / 8). So a 250GB drive will probably go 40MB/sec, and you might saturate the port if you use other firewire peripherals.
Steve
Ringo Langly - 10 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT > Or you can get a 200-250GB 7200RPM drive w/8MB cache, and put it in a > firewire enclosure and use that as the primary drive. It would be close [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Steve Hi Steve and everyone else who replied...
I already use several Macally Firewire IDE bays on my Powermac G4 now, and I was planning on using the same setup on the Mac Mini -- but I didn't know you could boot from a Firewire drive. All that asside, I'd like to keep the boot drive internal mainly because this Mac will be going betweek work and home, kinda like a laptop, but I'll connect it to a KVM switch at each.
For me, I carry lots of work between work and home, and having a computer I can move between the two is a major plus and one main reason to get a Mini Mac. I could get a laptop, but I want to use a full keyboard and mouse at both ends, so the mini is perfect for me :)
At home though, I'll have my firewire drive with all my goodies while at work I'll have another firewire drive with lots of other work-related projects I don't need to carry home. It's a win-win situation. Plus It'll be VERY nice to move off Windows as my primary box at work. I'll still have it here for MS SQL Management Console and the Windows-only apps we use up here, but not for web production, image editing, email, and the other tasks.
Thanks again for all the great replies and suggestions, and at this point I guess I'm still eyeing a 7200 RPM drive down the road.
Take care,
Ringo
TRB - 16 Feb 2005 12:04 GMT > For me, I carry lots of work between work and home, and having a > computer I can move between the two is a major plus and one main reason [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ringo Hi, I have reduced my carrying needs even further, I just carry a portable firewire harddrive with the data. Hook it up to the computer at work, or the labtop at home... No need to carry a computer anymore.
TravelinMan - 16 Feb 2005 15:52 GMT > > For me, I carry lots of work between work and home, and having a > > computer I can move between the two is a major plus and one main reason [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Hook it up to the computer at work, or the labtop at home... > No need to carry a computer anymore. Assuming that every computer you might want to hook your hard drive to will have all the apps you want to use.
And also ignoring the fact that the Mini isn't much larger than your external drive.
Tim Smith - 22 Feb 2005 04:40 GMT > > Hi, > > I have reduced my carrying needs even further, I just carry a portable [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Assuming that every computer you might want to hook your hard drive to > will have all the apps you want to use. How about putting the apps on the portable hard drive? That's what I did a few years ago, back when a gig was a big drive. I had a 1.6 gig external SCSI drive that I carried between home and work. I had all my work projects on it, and all my developer tools.
This would have been a bit tricky with Windows, but this was for a Mac project, and so worked out great.
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TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 05:03 GMT In article <reply_in_group-14D3E8.20404521022005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
> > > Hi, > > > I have reduced my carrying needs even further, I just carry a portable [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > This would have been a bit tricky with Windows, but this was for a Mac > project, and so worked out great. Yes, it will normally work fine for a Mac.
It will be a significant problem for Windows.
For Linux, it's going to be problematic, as well, because of all the different distributions. You'd almost have to keep the source code on the hard drive and compile it for each version.
Edwin - 22 Feb 2005 07:54 GMT > In article > <reply_in_group-14D3E8.20404521022005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > For Linux, it's going to be problematic, as well, because of all the > different distributions. You'd almost have to keep the source code on
> the hard drive and compile it for each version. So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every distribution?
I cross posted this to Linux Advocacy so the guys who actually know something about Linux can have some laughs at your expense, Joe.
Peter Köhlmann - 22 Feb 2005 08:19 GMT < snip >
>> Yes, it will normally work fine for a Mac. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I cross posted this to Linux Advocacy so the guys who actually know > something about Linux can have some laughs at your expense, Joe. Well, I am not really interested in the ravings of this imbecile. TravelBoy has no idea about linux, all he says about it is pure, unadultered horse manure So why did you crosspost it? It is already quite clear that csma is full of morons, so just more evidence is not needed
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TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 12:41 GMT > > In article > > <reply_in_group-14D3E8.20404521022005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every > distribution? No, Ediot. I'm saying that SOME Linux applications need to be recompiled to work on SOME Linux distributions.
What part of that is too complicated for you?
Peter Köhlmann - 22 Feb 2005 12:57 GMT >> > In article >> > <reply_in_group-14D3E8.20404521022005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > What part of that is too complicated for you? Nope, you claimed something entirely different You claimed that putting the apps for some workproject on a portable drive would be difficult for windows, easy for the Mac and for linux "it's going to be problematic, as well, because of all the different distributions. You'd almost have to keep the source code on the hard drive and compile it for each version"
Well, you have neither explained *why* it would be problematic, nor what kind of apps would need to be recompiled. You may do so now. Be specific
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Ray Ingles - 22 Feb 2005 14:00 GMT > No, Ediot. I'm saying that SOME Linux applications need to be recompiled > to work on SOME Linux distributions. Hmm. Windows, with its registry, would make this tough (sticking an app on an external drive and using it on multiple computers). Assuming the app didn't *need* the registry, and/or recreated its registry values when run, it could work. You'd probably want to put any required DLLs in the same directory with the app. (God help you if it needs DirectX or something, though.)
On the Mac, it's simpler because of the tradition of putting all the apps files in one directory. (Makes some things easier, and some harder - like making a separate partition for temporary files). But OSX is Unix under the hood, and it's still possible there, so that should be a hint that it can be done with Linux too.
Traditional Unix filesystem layouts lean against this a bit. Different parts of apps (binaries, shared libs, config files, temp files, etc.) tend to go in in different places on the system. Plus some distributions are set up to prevent executing binaries off of removable media (as a security precaution).
But even on Linux, it wouldn't be *terribly* hard. Most apps can be compiled to be installed anywhere (take a look at the "PREFIX" and "EPRIFIX" options to GNU autoconf, for example). Compile it statically and you don't have to worry about shared libs at all.
If you don't have the source available, it's still not that big a problem:
1. Run 'ldd' on the app, find out what libraries it needs. 2. Copy the app and the libs to the external drive. 3. Write a small wrapper script that sets up LIBPATH so the app can find the libraries when it runs.
That's one way. If you're root on the boxes involved, you can get *really* clever, and play some 'mount' tricks to graft partitions from the external drive into the filesystem on the boxes, so you don't need to muck with the paths. Or just use symlinks. (No real *need* to do this, just pointing out that there's more than one way to do it.)
Note that most of this is only required if the necessary shared libs aren't on all the boxes involved (and unlike Windows, there's no problem with having multiple versions of a shared lib available simultaneously). If, say, all of the boxes are the same distro, you're golden.
Finally, there is one insurmountable problem that could torpedo the whole thing. If you have Linux boxes on more than one hardware platform (say, Intel, Alpha, PPC, SPARC, MIPS, ARM, 68K...) then yeah, you have to recompile. But it's hard to argue that this is a disadvantage of Linux until you can get Windows or Mac to run on more than one hardware platform... :->
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TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 15:15 GMT > > No, Ediot. I'm saying that SOME Linux applications need to be recompiled > > to work on SOME Linux distributions. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > a disadvantage of Linux until you can get Windows or Mac to run > on more than one hardware platform... :-> Bottom line is that you've supported my statement.
Doing this (putting your apps on a hard disk for use on any Mac) is trivial. On Windows, it's very difficult. ON Linux, it's problematic.
Yes, it might be posisble IN SOME CASES with enough advance planning. But that's exactly what 'problematic' means.
Thanks for supporting my position.
JEDIDIAH - 22 Feb 2005 17:00 GMT [deletia]
>> platform (say, Intel, Alpha, PPC, SPARC, MIPS, ARM, 68K...) then >> yeah, you have to recompile. But it's hard to argue that this is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes, it might be posisble IN SOME CASES with enough advance planning. > But that's exactly what 'problematic' means. Wrapping your binaries in something that would ensure that PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH are suitably set is hardly problematic.
> Thanks for supporting my position.
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TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 17:17 GMT > [deletia] > >> platform (say, Intel, Alpha, PPC, SPARC, MIPS, ARM, 68K...) then [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Wrapping your binaries in something that would ensure that PATH > and LD_LIBRARY_PATH are suitably set is hardly problematic. Yes - compared to the way it works in OS X.
Tim Smith - 23 Feb 2005 08:59 GMT > Yes - compared to the way it works in OS X. Irrelevant. The point is that if someone knows how to set up applications on Linux, then installing them on an external drive so that they can be used on more than one system is not really any harder in most cases.
This is the same as it is in OS X: if you know how to set up an app normally, you can set it up on an external drive for sharing without much more work, usually (not always).
In Windows, on the other hand, generally this does not work.
If you want to talk about OS X apps being easier to install than Linux apps, fine, but that has nothing to do with this thread.
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Ray Ingles - 22 Feb 2005 17:31 GMT >> Note that most of this is only required if the necessary shared >> libs aren't on all the boxes involved...
> Bottom line is that you've supported my statement. Uh, no. :->
> Doing this (putting your apps on a hard disk for use on any Mac) is > trivial. On Windows, it's very difficult. ON Linux, it's problematic. No. I basically said on Linux, 'it *can be* problematic', which is very different from 'it *is* problematic'. (I'll note that it's the closed-source apps that will have the most problems with this.)
In most cases, it's pretty simple. If the shared libraries the app needs are available on all the boxes you're using (which will almost always be the case), you can just pop the binary on the external drive and go. If the program is statically-linked, you don't even have to worry about that.
The only case where the shared libraries wouldn't be there is (a) really bleeding-edge software (comparable to, say, apps that run on Panther but not Jaguar...) or (b) really trailing-edge software (apps that won't run on Panther but run on Jaguar...)
> Yes, it might be posisble IN SOME CASES with enough advance planning. No, actually, it's possible 'IN MOST CASES' without any planning. I was just pointing out that, unlike Windows, any problems are actually solvable in Linux.
Is it *easier* in OSX? I'll give you that. Is it *much easier*? Nah.
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Jim Richardson - 22 Feb 2005 20:38 GMT >> > No, Ediot. I'm saying that SOME Linux applications need to be recompiled >> > to work on SOME Linux distributions. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Thanks for supporting my position. Bullshit. In some, rare cases, it may be problematic, in most cases, it's very simple, and works very well. Obviously, if you try to run an x86 binary on Arm, or PPC, you are going to have problems, in much the same way that OS9 can't run PPC binaries on x86.
As has been pointed out to you by several folks, it is done with Linux, and done quite a bit. So your claims re it being "problematic" are mere balderdash.
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sberry - 22 Feb 2005 17:26 GMT >>So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every >>distribution? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What part of that is too complicated for you? Dunno about him, but the complicated/confusing part of what you say for me lies around compilation. Most packages come in RPM form and installation is a no-brainer. The only package I've had to compile in the last two years is Limewire (which is the same on every Linux), ie ./configure && make && make install. I think I compiled nano once too.
TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 19:24 GMT > >>So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every > >>distribution? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the last two years is Limewire (which is the same on every Linux), ie > ./configure && make && make install. I think I compiled nano once too. That's assuming that you have the correct rpm for every conceivable Linux distro on the hard disk. Which is problematic.
jdavyd williams - 22 Feb 2005 20:07 GMT > That's assuming that you have the correct rpm for every conceivable > Linux distro on the hard disk. Which is problematic. ever heard of platform independent RPMs?
TCS - 22 Feb 2005 21:16 GMT >> >>So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every >> >>distribution? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> the last two years is Limewire (which is the same on every Linux), ie >> ./configure && make && make install. I think I compiled nano once too.
>That's assuming that you have the correct rpm for every conceivable >Linux distro on the hard disk. Which is problematic. That assuming you're using a 5 year old distribution. When you're talking out your a.s, TM, you need to at least make an attempt to have a clue. Modern distro's handle dependancies and maintain a database of RPMS at various ftp/web sites.
TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT In article <slrnd1n89m.3d4.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
> >> >>So you're saying that Linux applications must be recompiled for every > >> >>distribution? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Modern distro's handle dependancies and maintain a database of RPMS at > various ftp/web sites. And that's exactly the point.
To accomplish this task (having all the applications on a portable hard disk), you'll need to go to all those web sites, sort out the dependencies, download all the different versions, and have them all on the disk. Plus, know which one to use.
Rick - 22 Feb 2005 22:08 GMT > In article > <slrnd1n89m.3d4.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > dependencies, download all the different versions, and have them all on > the disk. Plus, know which one to use. Uh, no. Dependencies are sorted out by systems like apt and urpmi. Those 'ftp/web' sites can be repositories that the package management system contacts. ... sot of like getting window$ or Mac apps from various sites except dependency problems are taken care of.
Or.. you can DL from distro specific pages, in which case dependencies are generally taken care of becai\use it is a distro specific site.
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Jim Richardson - 22 Feb 2005 20:31 GMT >> In article >> <reply_in_group-14D3E8.20404521022005@news1.west.earthlink.net>, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > I cross posted this to Linux Advocacy so the guys who actually know > something about Linux can have some laughs at your expense, Joe. It's a pretty silly claim. No, you don't have to recompile the app for every distribution. For example, I have several commercial games on this machine, Kohan (Immortal sovereigns IIRC) UT2004, UT, (well, had, it was replaced by UT2004) Myth: Soulblighter, and some games via Cedega. Note that none of these, not the games, nor Cedega were compiled with this distro (Ubuntu), furthermore, most of the games, (with the exception of UT2004) were also used on previous Debian installs, on SUSE 8.something, and on Fedora Core and Gentoo. By me, they were also used by many others, on other distros.
So no, you don't. It's not like there's a debian.so and redhat.so or something...
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Tim Smith - 22 Feb 2005 15:36 GMT > For Linux, it's going to be problematic, as well, because of all the > different distributions. You'd almost have to keep the source code on the > hard drive and compile it for each version. Actually, it wouldn't be much of a problem. There are two areas that you might have to worry about.
1. Library versions.
If one of the systems is several years older than the other, you might run into this, but it would be pretty rare.
2. File locations.
This would be more likely to be a problem. E.g., if the application was built to look for config files in a particular place, it could get annoying. However, presuming that we are talking about applications that are not a standard part of your distribution(s) (which is why they aren't available on both systems already), you'd take care of this when configuring the application when you install it on the external drive.
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TravelinMan - 22 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT > > For Linux, it's going to be problematic, as well, because of all the > > different distributions. You'd almost have to keep the source code on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If one of the systems is several years older than the other, you might run > into this, but it would be pretty rare. But it happens.
> 2. File locations. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > both systems already), you'd take care of this when configuring the > application when you install it on the external drive. Exactly.
IOW, it IS problematic - no matter how much venom Peter spews on the topic. More work, more planning, and more hard disk space.
Dan Becker - 11 Feb 2005 06:21 GMT > My question is what performance am I looking at with the Mini Mac > compared to my current PowerMac G4? Look at the performance report at Macintouch. In one of their configurations for the Mac mini they did a drive swap much as you are considering:
Mac Mini/1.25GHz Combo: with 512 MBytes of RAM (512K L2 cache), optional 80GB Toshiba hard drive; Mac OS X 10.3.7 (7T21). Also tested with Seagate 160GB external hard drive, both via FireWire 400 and USB 2.0 connections.
Mac Mini/1.25GHz/Fast 60GB: same system as above, replacing Apple/Toshiba hard drive with a 60GB Hitachi Travelstar 7K60, which runs at 7200 RPM with an 8-MByte cache.
They also have the benchmarks for other machines for comparison.
http://www.macintouch.com/perfpack/comparison.html
Dan
Scott Micciche - 15 Feb 2005 20:27 GMT >>My question is what performance am I looking at with the Mini Mac >>compared to my current PowerMac G4? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Dan I have replaced my 4200 rpm in my mac mini with the 7200 rpm travelstar and my temp is lower than the 4200 unit (using temp monitor lite). It is much faster than the original 4200 rpm, but expensive. Luckily, I had a buyer for my 80 gig 4200 unit and I didn't need that much space, so it only wound up costing me $50 total.
imouttahere@mac.com - 17 Feb 2005 04:39 GMT >had a buyer for my 80 gig 4200 unit and I didn't need that much space,
>so it only wound up costing me $50 total. hmmm. I could do the same... put a travelstar in the mini and pop the 80GB and put it in my PBG4 (40GB). Not a bad plan...
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