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Mac Forum / Applications / Excel / September 2006Excel 2007 for Apple (Mac)
Hi, Anyone has an idea as to when Microsoft will make equivalent the microsoft suite ( excel, etc ) There are features that don't work in excel for mac that do in excel for windows. This is really discomforting. I am tqlking about pivot table charting, etc. In some cases the syntax is different in windows-mac and it doesn't allow me to work with the file properly. Because of the differences in the syntaxis I have to re-program and re-adjust my formula so that Apple Computers can read it. It is really a pain to sell a product that one claims to be 100% compatible and not be able to obtain the same results. Any insight !??? Right now, I am in the process of dumping my mac (which I love) and buying a pc to be able to have all the functionality of EXCEL 2003. Hi Francisco - I think your letting your frustrations carry you away :-) First of all Office 2007 release for the *PC* hasn't had a release date announced as yet -there's only the Beta [read as: field testing version] - so when and if anything comparable for the Mac will be released is open to nothing but speculation, and that will probably be at least a year further down the road. Second, there is nothing from MS anyone has ever been able to point to that "claims to be 100% compatible"... This is typically a misconception inferred by the user. The files are compatible, but the program features are not identical. I'm not defending MS, but nothing from them states otherwise. BTW - there are features in the Mac versions that *aren't* in the PC versions, as well. It's just that those aren't the ones you're focused on at the moment. Last, there are a number of far more reasonable options than "dumping" your Mac & buying a PC. Depending on which Mac you have you can run Windows apps on the Mac quite effectively using VPC on PPC Macs or Parallels/Boot Camp etc. on Intel Macs... I've yet to see Mac software run effectively on a Windows machine. Regards |:>) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 9/17/06 9:17 AM, in article C132C31D.2ED7%fperezlandaeta@capca.com.ve, > Hi, > Anyone has an idea as to when Microsoft will make equivalent the microsoft [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Right now, I am in the process of dumping my mac (which I love) and buying a > pc to be able to have all the functionality of EXCEL 2003. Hi Bob, Thanks for replying. 1.- I know there has not been a release date for Microsoft Office 2007, but Office 2003 is not comparable to Mac Office 2004. I have had many issues because my employees (managers) use pivot table functions that are not 100% read by Mac. In the universe of the computers in my company there all only two Apple's, the rest is Windows. So, I guess it was my mistake to try to incorporate Apple's to the enterprise and still try to use administrative software through VPC or any other software. I don't think, at least that is my point of view, that VPC in an Apple G4 is really that great. The investment required to be able to run windows on an Apple computers is quite high. First, a relatively new MAC, second, memory, third, software. In my humble opinion for that amount of cash one can purchase a relatively nice entry PC. The other factor, is that by running Virtual PC on a laptop and traveling it consumes more Processor power and in the end more batteries are needed. Again, I don't mean to bring an argument to the table. I love MACs, I think they are great machines. I just think software makers should CONVERGE to allow people with Apple's and PC's to run their software. What has to be done, I don't know. I am no programmer, engineer,etc. I am just a user looking for a features in both platforms. The environments Apple and PC's both are great but each of them has their plus and minuses. 2.- Yes, I am kinda frustrated to see layers and layers of code to run Windows or at least try to run Windows. 3.- I don't think VPC is that great for the middle entry guy, maybe a person (different than me) would maxed out the memory in their MAC's to run Windows. That's not me. I believe Speed, memory, processor speed, battery life, are important factors to a mobile guy like me. 4.- In my PC world, I don't see a number of people trying to run Apple software, I see it the other way around. 5.- I currently own Virtual PC, and I have a Powerbook G4 with 1.25 Memory and trust me it runs slow. It is not INTEL so I am out of the question. This means = new invesment. 6.- The one factor that annoys me the most is the differences in Microsoft suite of applications for both platforms. Aside from that, I really annoys me (all my friends have messenger and do video chat, audio chat, etc). Years, have passed and there is not support for that in Apple. Ichat is great but only between Macs. Well, anyway, I didn't mean to make any flames by typing this. It is just that it is annoying to see how delayed are software solutions for Apple computers. We all know, they are great why not Expand.?????? Greetings Bob, Francisco On 9/17/06 9:37 AM, in article C132C7D1.14FAD%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net, > Hi Francisco - > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> Right now, I am in the process of dumping my mac (which I love) and buying a >> pc to be able to have all the functionality of EXCEL 2003. Hi Francesco, May I jump in? It's good that you are making note of the pivot table problems here in the newsgroups. You and others have made it clear that this is a priority item for you. I noticed some replies here from MacBU employees about it, so you have their ear. Fortunately or unfortunately Apple made a sudden switch to Intel processors, which put Microsoft out of the Virtual PC business on the Mac. Parallels is now the way to go for virtualization. There is hardly any speed hit, so even a basic Intel Mac will run Windows at very acceptable speeds. Suggestion: if your current Macs have decent resale value sell them and use the money to get new ones. Then you can have the best of both worlds. By necessity the next versions of Office for both Mac and Windows are basically "ports." Very few new features will be added. Large, important (to some) features will be lost (such as Visual Basic capabilities). The entire code base essentially has to be re-written using different programming languages and methods to run on Mac Intel Processors. If it turns out that along the way that better pivot table support can be included without breaking Excel or making MacBU miss their release date target, then better pivot table compatibility at least has a chance of making it in the next release. You're not making flames. I'm with you 100%. If I were running MacBU then Mac Office next version would have new features and would continue to run in Rosetta. I would have gone for expansion of the product line by porting Access. But I don't run MacBU, and I know for a fact that the managers there thought long and hard about their plans. They have a lot more information about their operation than I do. MacBU's management is very bright and as Mac enthusiastic as anyone you will find on the planet. I know they considered not only what is best for Microsoft, but also what is best for Mac in general. They decided that in the long run porting Office to Intel as a dual binary is the best decision. A recent news release said that MacBU feels they are about half-way along in making the new code base. Having written software I can tell you that the second half will be a lot harder than the first. That's when all the code has to actually work! Then it has to be packaged, localized, etc. Based on the time it took to get half-way, let's just double that and hope to get a peek at the next Mac Office about 10 months from now. Re-writing the code base for Office in 20 months is a gargantuan task, so if happens that fast I will be very pleased. -Jim Gordon Mac MVP > Hi Bob, > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >>> Right now, I am in the process of dumping my mac (which I love) and buying a >>> pc to be able to have all the functionality of EXCEL 2003. |
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