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some name - 27 Jul 2004 01:04 GMT

Which is better/safer for Eudora 5.1?
Use old style '.toc' or none?

1) I may move to Eudora Windows. Does old or none make a difference when
transfering the mailboxes?

2) When there is a problem with a mailbox, which way makes it easier to
repair?

3) How can you rebuild (on demand) the table of contents when they are
stored in the resource fork of the mailbox file?

4) Which is better to use fixing a bad date, so that a mailbox will sort
by date normally?

Thanks.

-DK

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Kathy Morgan - 27 Jul 2004 07:37 GMT

> Which is better/safer for Eudora 5.1?
> Use old style '.toc' or none?
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> 2) When there is a problem with a mailbox, which way makes it easier to
> repair?

Dunno.

> 3) How can you rebuild (on demand) the table of contents when they are
> stored in the resource fork of the mailbox file?

Command-Option-Click the box in the lower left corner of a mailbox to
compact all mailboxes, and that will also update the table of contents.

> 4) Which is better to use fixing a bad date, so that a mailbox will sort
> by date normally?

My guess (just a guess) is that probably it's the choice of no '.toc'
but it may not make a difference. You can edit the date from within
Eudora by clicking on the pencil and making the change. Edit from
outside Eudora using a text editor and change the bad date (obviously
it's safer to work on a copy, just in case you make a mistake).

The text editor I like to use is BBEdit Light, which is also handy to
have on hand in case you do switch to Eudora Windows. If you switch,
you're going to need to change the line endings of all the mailboxes
from Mac line endings to Windows line endings, and BBEdit Light can do
that for you. (It's an option under Save as...)

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some name - 27 Jul 2004 08:27 GMT

> > Which is better/safer for Eudora 5.1?
> > Use old style '.toc' or none?
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> Command-Option-Click the box in the lower left corner of a mailbox to
> compact all mailboxes, and that will also update the table of contents.

This did not update a date that I changed in the headers using BBEdit.
So I don't think that this command updates the table of contents in the
resource fork.

> > 4) Which is better to use fixing a bad date, so that a mailbox will sort
> > by date normally?
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> outside Eudora using a text editor and change the bad date (obviously
> it's safer to work on a copy, just in case you make a mistake).

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for the pencil trick!!! That is great
for fixing bad dates on received mail. Thank you!

> The text editor I like to use is BBEdit Light, which is also handy to
> have on hand in case you do switch to Eudora Windows. If you switch,
> you're going to need to change the line endings of all the mailboxes
> from Mac line endings to Windows line endings, and BBEdit Light can do
> that for you. (It's an option under Save as...)

I've edited dates with BBEdit, but that did not fix the date that is
displayed in the mail box. That date is in the table of contents which
is either in the .toc file or in the resource fork of the mail box.

-Dennis

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Matti Haveri - 27 Jul 2004 11:47 GMT

> Which is better/safer for Eudora 5.1?
> Use old style '.toc' or none?

I have used resource-fork .tocs because it reduces clutter. BTW there is
always a .toc: a) a separate .toc file or b) inside the resource fork of
a mailbox.

> 1) I may move to Eudora Windows. Does old or none make a difference when
> transfering the mailboxes?

AFAIK .toc files are platform-specific so .toc info is lost anyway when
transferring mailboxes Mac<->Win. But do compact the mailbox before
transferring it so trashed mail is really actually deleted from the
mailbox instead of just hiding it from the user.

> 2) When there is a problem with a mailbox, which way makes it easier to
> repair?

Deleting a loose .toc file is easier but you can accomplish the same by
deleting the resource fork with apps like File Buddy etc.

I don't know whether it is possible to repair .toc files themselves. I
have always tweaked the text with BBEdit and let Eudora recreate the
.toc.

> 3) How can you rebuild (on demand) the table of contents when they are
> stored in the resource fork of the mailbox file?

Delete the resource fork and open the mailbox in Eudora. AFAIK
compacting the mailbox doesn't fully rebuild the .toc.

> 4) Which is better to use fixing a bad date, so that a mailbox will sort
> by date normally?

I have occasionally edited bad dates in the headers by moving a bad-date
email to a separate temporary mailbox (just to be safe). Then I have
edited the text in BBEdit, deleted the resource fork (or deleted a loose
.toc file) and opened the mailbox in Eudora so a .toc is recreated from
scratch.

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some name - 28 Jul 2004 07:48 GMT

> > Which is better/safer for Eudora 5.1?
> > Use old style '.toc' or none?
>
> I have used resource-fork .tocs because it reduces clutter. BTW there is
> always a .toc: a) a separate .toc file or b) inside the resource fork of
> a mailbox.

Less clutter, true, but using the resource fork to edit is difficult to
navigate. However now that I have learned that I can edit with the
'pencil' button, there is probably no need to do any editing.

> > 1) I may move to Eudora Windows. Does old or none make a difference when
> > transfering the mailboxes?
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> transferring it so trashed mail is really actually deleted from the
> mailbox instead of just hiding it from the user.

I would think that the .toc file could be moved to windows, but the
resource fork would be discarded, I would think.

> > 2) When there is a problem with a mailbox, which way makes it easier to
> > repair?
>
> Deleting a loose .toc file is easier but you can accomplish the same by
> deleting the resource fork with apps like File Buddy etc.

Great idea. Why would you not use ResEdit?

> I don't know whether it is possible to repair .toc files themselves. I
> have always tweaked the text with BBEdit and let Eudora recreate the
> .toc.

This seems easiest. But you do lose the file status indicators.

> > 3) How can you rebuild (on demand) the table of contents when they are
> > stored in the resource fork of the mailbox file?
>
> Delete the resource fork and open the mailbox in Eudora. AFAIK
> compacting the mailbox doesn't fully rebuild the .toc.

Thank you!

> > 4) Which is better to use fixing a bad date, so that a mailbox will sort
> > by date normally?
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> .toc file) and opened the mailbox in Eudora so a .toc is recreated from
> scratch.

I guess the 'pencil' button is really the easiest.

-DK

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Matti Haveri - 28 Jul 2004 10:27 GMT

> > I have occasionally edited bad dates in the headers by moving a bad-date
> > email to a separate temporary mailbox (just to be safe). Then I have
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>
> I guess the 'pencil' button is really the easiest.

Yes, it is possible to easily edit the message text via the "pencil".

But AFAIR editing any header info doesn't get updated this way so I have
deleted the .toc in such cases so Eudora is forced to update the change
in the header. And this is why I moved the offending mail to its own
mailbox so other posts' .toc info is not unnecessarily destroyed.

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some name - 28 Jul 2004 17:17 GMT

> > > I have occasionally edited bad dates in the headers by moving a bad-date
> > > email to a separate temporary mailbox (just to be safe). Then I have
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> in the header. And this is why I moved the offending mail to its own
> mailbox so other posts' .toc info is not unnecessarily destroyed.

I just checked. I was able to change header date and domain info with
the pencil. But dealing with the .toc is easy.

-DK

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