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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / July 2004It lasted about half a day then.....
I decided to yet again give Eudora (v6.1.1) another chance. But, to no avail, the old girl is just too creaky now, and is not working well with the modern OS - IMHO, and of course YMMV applies. I managed to successfully import all my mail from, erm, Mail, but the addresses did not import. I turned on the option to integrate with the OSX Address Book, and found that this doesn't actually work either. I got a list of out of dates mail addresses, and when I sent to one address I got an error message saying that Eudora was dangerously low on memory (I have a dual G5 with 1.5GB of RAM). I clicked help and it told me to increase the 'Preferred' memory allocation!!! Sure there are some issues with Mail, but nothing I've yet come across here that have affected my setup. If Eudora is to maintain its foothold, surely it's got to be easier to migrate.  SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online > If Eudora is to maintain its foothold, surely it's got to be easier to > migrate. Eudora maintains its foothold because of the free options, IMHO. If I were going to spend money on a mail client, I don't think it would be Eudora. Eudora is coming to feel like a creaking tower filled with junk perched on a swampy foundation. They just keep throwing stuff on the old framework, and sooner or later, it's going to collapse. It needs a major overhaul, IMHO. I keep looking for ways to switch to Mail (at least once every 3 months), but Mail still has a few quirks that end up blocking my migration. Eventually it'll happen for me, though. Signature-Thomas <http://www.bitjuggler.com/> > > If Eudora is to maintain its foothold, surely it's got to be easier to > > migrate. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the old framework, and sooner or later, it's going to collapse. It > needs a major overhaul, IMHO. Yes, that's very much my feeling. Don't get me wrong, I used Eudora for a long while before I got OSX, but once I'd upgraded to OSX 10.2, Mail had improved enough to be main use for me. > I keep looking for ways to switch to Mail (at least once every 3 > months), but Mail still has a few quirks that end up blocking my > migration. Eventually it'll happen for me, though. Havng said all that, this afternoon I lost my first sent message from Mail (that I know of anyway). Not being able to get my addresses to work in Eudora has meant that is out too. I also recieve a lot of HTML messages, out of choice and from known good sites. I have just migrated fully to Mozilla now. The great thing about this is that it uses the same mailbox format as Eudora. Although the only difference is that attachments are stored within the mailbox file - I gather this is actually true mbox standard. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online > > Eudora maintains its foothold because of the free options, IMHO. If I > > were going to spend money on a mail client, I don't think it would be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > months), but Mail still has a few quirks that end up blocking my > > migration. Eventually it'll happen for me, though. Each to his/her own opinion on email programs. I too have used Eudora for many years and it has met my expectations the whole time. I have not had any real problems with it. Maybe because I am is just too lazy to learn new program or too comfortable just from years of use and familiarity with Eudora. I'd not be in any particular hurry to change. I agree Eudora's basic interface has not changed much over the years. It just works for me tho. Tidbits just ran in recent weeks a annual survey of Mac email users to find what they were using and liked. You might check it out at www.tidbits.com. Many were increasingly more comfortable with Apple's Mail. Morenuf Signaturemorenuf@nobodyhome.com.invalid <Snipped Text> > > > I keep looking for ways to switch to Mail (at least once every 3 > > > months), but Mail still has a few quirks that end up blocking my [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > www.tidbits.com. Many were increasingly more comfortable with Apple's > Mail. That doesn't surprise me though, it's the same reason that Outlook Express is used in Windows - because it's there. People are generally too lazy to find something else. I like Mail too, but if it unreliable and loses my emails, then it's useless. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online In article <morenuf-CE686D.15455703072004@news-server-fe-01.columbus.rr.com>, > I agree Eudora's basic interface has not changed much over > the years. It just works for me tho. Yeah, it works for me, too -- until I decide I want to do something different. Like try to use a new IMAP e-mail address, in which case Eudora forces me to select a Junk mailbox every 5 minutes, but won't let me select anything and won't let me create such a mailbox on the IMAP server. As the latest example. It's always when I get an urge (or have a need) to try something different with Eudora that I start feeling a strong desire to throw it in the trash. Signature-Thomas <http://www.bitjuggler.com/> > Yeah, it works for me, too -- until I decide I want to do something > different. Like try to use a new IMAP e-mail address, in which case > Eudora forces me to select a Junk mailbox every 5 minutes, but won't > let me select anything and won't let me create such a mailbox on the > IMAP server. I read what you say, but others seem to be able to use Eudora with IMAP. At least they don't complain here. Is this right? Are there people using Eudora successfully with IMAP? Or is it really broken in this respect? Did the fix posted by Kathy work? I don't use IMAP, but it's always a possibility, so I'd be really interested to know. SignaturePeter > I read what you say, but others seem to be able to use Eudora with IMAP. > At least they don't complain here. Is this right? Are there people using > Eudora successfully with IMAP? Or is it really broken in this respect? > Did the fix posted by Kathy work? The only fix I saw posted for this problem was to create a Junk mailbox on the IMAP server, and I had already mentioned that I was unable to do so, thus it wasn't actually a fix. I never got it to work, and am now using Mail for that one account. Which increases the chances of me finally migrating to Mail and away from Eudora. Signature-Thomas <http://www.bitjuggler.com/> > The only fix I saw posted for this problem was to create a Junk mailbox > on the IMAP server, and I had already mentioned that I was unable to do > so, thus it wasn't actually a fix. Sure, I saw what you had said and I realised that Kathy's 'fix' wouldn't work in your case. What I'm asking is whether this is a typical experience or whether you have come across something special to do with your particular IMAP server. So, as I said, is anybody using Eudora 6.n successfully with IMAP? SignaturePeter > > The only fix I saw posted for this problem was to create a Junk mailbox > > on the IMAP server, and I had already mentioned that I was unable to do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > your particular IMAP server. So, as I said, is anybody using Eudora 6.n > successfully with IMAP? No, I must admit I tried using it in IMAP mode with my SpamCop account last year, it got into all kinds of problems, and just didn't seem to work properly at all. All I was getting IIRC, was 'This folder doesn't exist', and such like. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online > No, I must admit I tried using it in IMAP mode with my SpamCop account > last year, it got into all kinds of problems, and just didn't seem to > work properly at all. All I was getting IIRC, was 'This folder doesn't > exist', and such like. So this is it? Eudora doesn't work with IMAP? I've seen posts here for (I think) years from people using Eudora/IMAP, or am I wrong about that? SignaturePeter > > No, I must admit I tried using it in IMAP mode with my SpamCop account > > last year, it got into all kinds of problems, and just didn't seem to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've seen posts here for (I think) years from people using Eudora/IMAP, > or am I wrong about that? Probably not, it's most likely a case of YMMV. It will most likely depend on your chosen mail server and such like. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online > > No, I must admit I tried using it in IMAP mode with my SpamCop account > > last year, it got into all kinds of problems, and just didn't seem to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've seen posts here for (I think) years from people using Eudora/IMAP, > or am I wrong about that? I use Eudora with my work IMAP account with absolutely no problem, including creating the Junk mailbox. When I first started using Mail.app, there was no way to tell it where your mail directory was, so it treated every file in my home directory as a potential mailbox. (That's since been fixed.) But the real deal-breaker for Mail.app was that it doesn't give me sufficient control over leaving messages on the server for my POP account, something that Eudora allows me full control of. SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball > but once I'd upgraded to OSX 10.2, Mail > had improved enough to be main use for me. I wonder, I do you do things like 'Send Again' and 'Re-direct' in Mail? I have briefly given it a try, but could not find such functions. In any case, I have tried many email applications over the years, to see whether they gave me the same feature-set of Eudora, but invariably went back to this venerable program. As far as I remember, it's the only app I have used uninterruptedly since 1991! Paolo Signature"Governments may regard constitutions as instruments by which they rule; a better perspective is to regard them as constraints placed on governments by citizens.² > I wonder, I do you do things like 'Send Again' and 'Re-direct' in Mail? Sorry, I typed too quickly. Above I meant: How do you do things like 'Send Again' and 'Re-direct' in Mail? Sorry, Paolo Signature"I have simple tastes. I am always satisfied with the best" --Oscar Wilde > I wonder, how do you do things like 'Send Again' and 'Re-direct' in Mail? I > have briefly given it a try, but could not find such functions. Does the lack of any replies to my question mean that Mail does indeed not have those capabilities? Cheers, Paolo > Does the lack of any replies to my question mean that Mail does indeed not > have those capabilities? Or that, not using Mail, we don't *know*? I know I don't. But I am old and incurious... So I asked my son in law. 'Send again' is a menu item. Redirect is Shift-Cmd-E If you want it there is a 'bounce' which presumably works if you have downloaded the header. SignaturePeter > I wonder, I do you do things like 'Send Again' and 'Re-direct' in Mail? I > have briefly given it a try, but could not find such functions. Which version of Mail are you using? Both of those functions are available in Mail 1.3.8 and, as I recall, all Panther versions of Mail but lacking in all prior versions. SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > Both of those functions are > available in Mail 1.3.8 Thanks, Mike and Peter! Paolo Signature"I have simple tastes. I am always satisfied with the best" --Oscar Wilde > > If Eudora is to maintain its foothold, surely it's got to be easier to > > migrate. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > months), but Mail still has a few quirks that end up blocking my > migration. Eventually it'll happen for me, though. * I agree that Eudora could use a major overhaul. I converted to Mac's Mail.app for a while, then I tried MS Entourage. They both have their quirks, but work fine -- after a while I went back to Eudora, which I have used for at least ten years. Sys X 10.3.4 Eudora 6.1.1 earle * Signature__ __/\_\ /\_\/_/ \/_/\_\ earle \/_/ jones |
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