What is Eudora up to with importing?

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Andy Hewitt - 25 Feb 2004 19:25 GMT

I saw the latest Beta update, and the note that says 'read HTML mail
right within Eudora'. So I decided to download it (yet again). But no,
they still haven't got this sorted.

Anyway, I might be able to live with this if I could import my messages
from Mail. It picks up all the accounts nicely, and imports all my sent
messages, and those residing in any of the account mail boxes. It does
not pick up the filed messages in MyMac though! Any ideas?

(I have tried exporting from Mail using Mail Scripts, but I keep getting
a filename already existing error).

TIA

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Kathy Morgan - 26 Feb 2004 05:21 GMT

> Anyway, I might be able to live with this if I could import my messages
> from Mail. It picks up all the accounts nicely, and imports all my sent
> messages, and those residing in any of the account mail boxes. It does
> not pick up the filed messages in MyMac though! Any ideas?

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. What are the filed
messages in MyMac? What is MyMac? What is the difference between a
"filed" message and some other message?

Since you can't see my face or body language, if it sounds like I'm
being flippant, I'm not--I honestly don't know what those are, so of
course I don't yet have any ideas what the problem is.

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Andy Hewitt - 26 Feb 2004 20:11 GMT

> > Anyway, I might be able to live with this if I could import my messages
> > from Mail. It picks up all the accounts nicely, and imports all my sent
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> being flippant, I'm not--I honestly don't know what those are, so of
> course I don't yet have any ideas what the problem is.

Sorry, I was assuming a knowledge of Mail.app as well. My fault.

In Mail, you have a layout very similar to Mozilla, where you have a set
of In, Out, Sent, Draft etc. mailboxes for each account as they are
created.

You can then have a completely seperate folder system for filing
messages, should you so wish. These are stored in a folder called MyMac
Local Folders in Mozilla), as they aren't related to an account.

Eudora's Import function for Mail is picking up all the mail boxes
attached to an account, but not my filed messages in MyMac.

In the end I did work around it, by selecting messages and exporting
from mail, and then importing into Eudora as a plain mbox.

My next problem is seperating the attachments.

Cheers.

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JPaul - 28 Feb 2004 08:08 GMT

> I saw the latest Beta update, and the note that says 'read HTML mail
> right within Eudora'. So I decided to download it (yet again). But no,
> they still haven't got this sorted.

For a long time I've been using "Open with Browser" in the File menu.
I've even put a shortkey (<command>B) for that with ResEdit.

JPaul.

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Andy Hewitt - 28 Feb 2004 10:00 GMT

> > I saw the latest Beta update, and the note that says 'read HTML mail
> > right within Eudora'. So I decided to download it (yet again). But no,
> > they still haven't got this sorted.
>
> For a long time I've been using "Open with Browser" in the File menu.
> I've even put a shortkey (<command>B) for that with ResEdit.

Appreciated, although I have found the occasional message this won't
work with. And it wasn't my point, it doesn't do what the advert says -
IYSWIM?

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JPaul - 29 Feb 2004 20:02 GMT

> And it wasn't my point, it doesn't do what the advert says -

Sorry if I didn't understand exactly what was your point

> IYSWIM?

And sorry if I don't understand these initials ;-(

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Andy Hewitt - 29 Feb 2004 20:18 GMT

> > And it wasn't my point, it doesn't do what the advert says -
> Sorry if I didn't understand exactly what was your point

Erm, this bit, quoted directly from Eudora's own features list: 'read
HTML mail right within Eudora'.

It doesn't.

> > IYSWIM?
> And sorry if I don't understand these initials ;-(

If You See What I Mean - obviously not ;-)

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JPaul - 01 Mar 2004 07:06 GMT

> Erm, this bit, quoted directly from Eudora's own features list: 'read
> HTML mail right within Eudora'.

Yes I've understood actually this point, and I thought also that you
could be interested by some replacement for that.
But you know it, and it was not necessary.

Thanks for the explanations of IYSWIM.
Have a nice day.

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Andy Hewitt - 01 Mar 2004 20:03 GMT

> > Erm, this bit, quoted directly from Eudora's own features list: 'read
> > HTML mail right within Eudora'.
>
> Yes I've understood actually this point, and I thought also that you
> could be interested by some replacement for that.
> But you know it, and it was not necessary.

Ah, I see. cross purposes. Yes, I've have been a user of Eudora for a
long time - certainly back to V3.1.3 Lite, and since they started on the
Sponsored mode too. I knew about the Open in Browser feature, but I've
always found this rather too much fuss. I want my mail client to be more
transparent.

Besides that, marketing hype has always annoyed me when they get it
wrong - I actually got 100% in a study I did at college on advertising
standards.

As it is I have been happy with Mail.app for some time now, although it
does have its quirks, it works very well now. However, whenever a new
release of Eudora appears I always give it a try, I don't mind the
interface at all, that doesn't bother me.

There are a few things that do though, like not being able to display
the messages I recieve (out of choice) in the way they were meant to be
seen. It also cannot import messages with an attachment properly either.
The standard for an mbox is to keep the attachment with the message.
Eudora isn't standard by seperating them. This has also caused me grief
in importing my mail database into Eudora.

Personally I think Eudora does need some more facelifting to make it
more main stream. Certainly the ablity to handle tables in HTML messages
would be a great help. Better importing is really a must if they expect
people to migrate from other clients. I mean, they still import from
Claris Emailer 2. Mail.app has only just been added, and that doesn't
really do the job.

It's a bit of a rant I know, but Eudora really isn't quite the full
toolbox we need if they want to attract new punters.

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Kathy Morgan - 03 Mar 2004 09:07 GMT

> There are a few things that do though, like not being able to display
> the messages I recieve (out of choice) in the way they were meant to be
> seen. It also cannot import messages with an attachment properly either.
> The standard for an mbox is to keep the attachment with the message.
> Eudora isn't standard by seperating them. This has also caused me grief
> in importing my mail database into Eudora.

A message posted a very long time ago by Matti Havari may contain a
solution for you. Here is what the message said:

It is also possible to let Eudora decode MIME, QP and attachments from
sendmail-like-files on your local HD (ftpd from the POP spool or unix
mail-directory, for example). To do that, you can suck the mail into
Eudora as if the mbox file is a POP spool. Just set your POP account in
Eudora's settings to: "!volume:directory:directory:filename" (replacing
names appropriately according to your HD's and its directories names)
and Eudora will receive the mail as if it came from a POP server (note
that the input-file's linebreaks must be in mac format and that its
contents are deleted in the process so make a copy of it before you
try).

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Andy Hewitt - 03 Mar 2004 19:20 GMT

> It is also possible to let Eudora decode MIME, QP and attachments from
> sendmail-like-files on your local HD (ftpd from the POP spool or unix
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> contents are deleted in the process so make a copy of it before you
> try).

I'll give that a try. Many thanks Kathy.

Despite all the faults I find with Eudora, I somehow still trust it more
with my messages.

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What is Eudora up to with importing?