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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / July 2009Problems in switching between Macs
Last week I was out of town at a conference, so I copied all my Eudora folders from my Power Mac to my MacBook. I had no problems sending or receiving mail that week. When I got home, I copied the updated folders back to my Power Mac. All was fine for a couple of days, but I just realized a few minutes ago that Eudora hadn't downloaded any messages from either of my ISPs since yesterday afternoon. (I read most of my mail on my main ISP's UNIX shell, only downloading some messages to my Mac. So I'd been reading my mail fine and hadn't noticed that it wasn't getting to my Mac.) I checked all my settings and couldn't find anything wrong, so relaunched Eudora, and now it's downloading anything fine. But I'm wondering whether I did something wrong that I should avoid in the future. Did I screw up something when I copied the updated Eudora folders back to my desktop system? If so, how can I update my MacBook in the future without later causing problems on my Power Mac? Patty [... Eudora not fetching mail after copying Eudora folder to another machine] > Did I screw up something when I copied > the updated Eudora folders back to my desktop system? This really ought to work just fine. (The only potential problem, I think, is with the path to the attachments folder.) What's not clear from your description is whether Eudora wasn't even trying to fetch messages, or whether it was, but failed. I mean, did it show any error messages at all? It it didn't even try, it almost sounds as if you had launched it into Offline Mode (maybe you accidentally held the Shift key while launching Eudora). But it would remain in that mod, even on subsequent launches, until you tell it to fetch mail and then confirm that it may keep on fetching mail without asking you. > If so, > how can I update my MacBook in the future without later > causing problems on my Power Mac? It might be useful to enable logging (all of it) before you do the same again. If you then run into the same issue, the log might give you a clue.  SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" >> Did I screw up something when I copied >> the updated Eudora folders back to my desktop system? > >This really ought to work just fine. (The only potential problem, I >think, is with the path to the attachments folder.) Even though I use the same path on both machines (a folder called Incoming on my desktop), Eudora did say that it couldn't find the attachments folder when I started it up on the Power Mac. So I told it where to look again, and it worked fine. >What's not clear from your description is whether Eudora wasn't even >trying to fetch messages, or whether it was, but failed. I mean, did it >show any error messages at all? No error messages. I saw it connecting to the two POP servers, but it acted as though all the messages on the servers were old and didn't download them. Oh, forgot to mention--it was sending messages okay, just not retrieving any. >It might be useful to enable logging (all of it) before you do the same >again. If you then run into the same issue, the log might give you a >clue. That would be Eudora's own log? Thanks, Sander! Patty > Even though I use the same path on both machines (a folder called > Incoming on my desktop), Eudora did say that it couldn't find the > attachments folder when I started it up on the Power Mac. So I told > it where to look again, and it worked fine. My experience is that Eudora wants to put all its related files into a folder called "Eudora Folder" which Eudora really, really!, wants to be located in your Documents folder (a folder which, you can note, has a special icon and is somehow special in the Mac system). You can move this Eudora Folder (which contains your setup file, among other things) somewhere else, and if you then always start up Eudora by clicking on the settings file from that moved Eudora Folder, or an alias to it, or a Dock icon for it -- in this case, you'll end up working in and to that moved copy of the Eudora Folder; it will be your primary Eudora Folder; and all should be OK. But if you move what you think of as your primary Eudora Folder to a new location, and then directly open the Eudora app itself (which is in your Applications folder) -- or if the Eudora app is auto-opened by some other application, or by double-clicking on some other Eudora-type file -- my experience is that this creates a NEW, virgin, default copy of the Eudora Folder in the Documents folder -- and you will no longer be connected to all the Eudora-related files that are in your supposedly primary, but moved, Eudora Folder. [It is OK to point all your email attachments to a different and potentially renamed "Downloads" folder located somewhere else; that won't screw things up.] > if you then always start up Eudora by > clicking on the settings file from that moved Eudora Folder, or an alias > to it, or a Dock icon for it -- in this case, you'll end up working in > and to that moved copy of the Eudora Folder; it will be your primary > Eudora Folder; and all should be OK. That's the way I've run Eudora for years; unless you are only using one copy of Eudora with one set of prefs on one machine, any other way like clicking on the app in the dock (in my experience) causes more trouble than it's worth. SignaturePeter >> Even though I use the same path on both machines (a folder called >> Incoming on my desktop), Eudora did say that it couldn't find the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >located in your Documents folder (a folder which, you can note, has a >special icon and is somehow special in the Mac system). Hmmm, I haven't had any trouble before with my Incoming (attachments) folder not being within the Eudora Folder. There is indeed a folder called "Attachments Folder" inside Eudora Folder, but it's empty because I never use it. When I copied data from my MacBook to my Power Mac, I copied only those files that had different modification dates. My goal was to reduce the copying time, although I just checked, and the only ones that haven't changed recently are really small files anyway, so I could have just as well copied the entire Eudora Folder. >You can move this Eudora Folder (which contains your setup file, among >other things) somewhere else, and if you then always start up Eudora by >clicking on the settings file from that moved Eudora Folder, or an alias >to it, or a Dock icon for it -- in this case, you'll end up working in >and to that moved copy of the Eudora Folder; it will be your primary >Eudora Folder; and all should be OK. Interesting, I'd never thought of starting up from the settings file. I'll remember that. But I've never moved Eudora Folder, so that shouldn't be the problem. >[It is OK to point all your email attachments to a different and >potentially renamed "Downloads" folder located somewhere else; that >won't screw things up.] Yeah, that's the only path I've changed, pointing to a different location for attachments. Eudora Folder itself is still in my own personal Documents folder. Given that I had no problems when I started up Eudora on my MacBook, but only when I moved back to my Power Mac, it's possible that Sander's theory is correct and I accidentally had Eudora running on the Power Mac when I moved the updated files over from the MacBook. Let's hope that's all it was and it won't happen again! BTW, I'm really glad that all you Mac Eudora fans are still here to help! I am keeping an eye on status of the Eudora replacements, but 6.2 does everything I need, so I'm not planning to abandon it any time soon! Patty [... not fetching messages; solved by a mere relaunch] > No error messages. I saw it connecting to the two POP servers, but > it acted as though all the messages on the servers were old and didn't > download them. Oh, forgot to mention--it was sending messages okay, > just not retrieving any. Is it possible that Eudora was already up and running when you replaced the Eudora Folder? That's really the only thing I can think of that might explain both the problem and the solution. > >It might be useful to enable logging (all of it) before you do the same > >again. If you then run into the same issue, the log might give you a > >clue. > > That would be Eudora's own log? Yes. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" >> No error messages. I saw it connecting to the two POP servers, but >> it acted as though all the messages on the servers were old and didn't >> download them. > >Is it possible that Eudora was already up and running when you replaced >the Eudora Folder? I'm pretty sure that I remembered to quit and relaunch it, but I'm not absolutely positive, so maybe that is what happened! Patty |
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