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Location of Eudora Attachments?

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Norm - 08 Jun 2008 19:45 GMT
What determines the location of attachments to incoming mail?

I set the location to a folder but some items go to the Parts Folder and
some to the Spool folder.

I'm using Eudora 6.2.3.

Thank you.
Christian - 08 Jun 2008 20:14 GMT
> What determines the location of attachments to incoming mail?

You do that in the "settings". In my case, it is the sixth icon from
top, labeled "Attachments".  You can select here the encoding method for
outgoing attachments, the folder for incoming attachments and the
application to open text-only attachments.

> I set the location to a folder but some items go to the Parts Folder and
> some to the Spool folder.

These are parts of HTML messages, and not mail attachments as such. Of
course, if somebody sends you a picture and embeds it in HTML, you have
hard work to search for it. But you could just drag the image out of the
message window, if you are lazy (as I am).

> I'm using Eudora 6.2.3.

6.2.4 here.

Best wishes, Christian

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Kathy Morgan - 11 Jun 2008 19:15 GMT
> > What determines the location of attachments to incoming mail?
>
> You do that in the "settings". In my case, it is the sixth icon from
> top, labeled "Attachments".  You can select here the encoding method for
> outgoing attachments, the folder for incoming attachments and the
> application to open text-only attachments.

You also can set up a filter to move attachments to a different folder
for messages that meet the criteria you set.

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Norm - 12 Jun 2008 03:27 GMT
> > > What determines the location of attachments to incoming mail?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You also can set up a filter to move attachments to a different folder
> for messages that meet the criteria you set.

OP back.

It is the attachments that end up in the Parts Folder in the Eudora
Folder that has me confused. Why some go there rather than to the
"settings" folder and if that can be changed.

Thanks for any info.
Christian - 12 Jun 2008 13:59 GMT
> It is the attachments that end up in the Parts Folder in the Eudora
> Folder that has me confused. Why some go there rather than to the
> "settings" folder and if that can be changed.

See my message before: these are not real attachments, but parts of HTML
messages.

Christian
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Norm - 12 Jun 2008 14:55 GMT
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<1iifg9k.aaqzzmk8rxtcN%christian080515@chance-for-children.org>,

> > It is the attachments that end up in the Parts Folder in the Eudora
> > Folder that has me confused. Why some go there rather than to the
> > "settings" folder and if that can be changed.
>
> See my message before: these are not real attachments, but parts of HTML
> messages.

Thanks again. Now I remember. Short term block. :-(

So then no way to keep from going to Parts folder and I just need to go
there if want to save those "attachments."

Appreciate the help.
Julian Y. Koh - 16 Jun 2008 22:55 GMT
> So then no way to keep from going to Parts folder and I just need to go
> there if want to save those "attachments."

You could just drag them out of the message where they appear to the
desired location.  
Kathy Morgan - 13 Jun 2008 06:18 GMT
> It is the attachments that end up in the Parts Folder in the Eudora
> Folder that has me confused. Why some go there rather than to the
> "settings" folder and if that can be changed.

I don't think that can be changed, but I really don't know for sure.

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Shawn Harrison - 19 Jun 2008 06:54 GMT
In article
<1ii8irt.1trvhge154ne0vN%christian080515@chance-for-children.org>,

> > What determines the location of attachments to incoming mail?
>
> You do that in the "settings". In my case, it is the sixth icon from
> top, labeled "Attachments".  You can select here the encoding method for
> outgoing attachments, the folder for incoming attachments and the
> application to open text-only attachments.

Eudora is not putting attachments into the Attachments Folder.  When I
open a message with an attachment I get the spinning beachball then
blink -- Eudora crashes.  I am sure the Attachments Folder is in the
Eudora folder in my personal Documents Folder, but I keep finding the
attachments in the Parts Folder (which has 579 items in it).  Whenever
I open Settings the Attachments Folder it is pointing to the Eudora
application folder.  Obviously it is not keeping my settings.

I looked at the Eudora Log and found this:

Sun Jun 15 22:08:18 2008
MAIN 524296:0.10.9 Out primary toc missing
MAIN 524296:0.0.0 Out secondary toc missing
MAIN 524296:0.0.0 TOCDates(Out): -43

MacBook late 2006, 10.4.8, Eudora 6.2.4.
Kathy Morgan - 20 Jun 2008 05:26 GMT
> Eudora is not putting attachments into the Attachments Folder.  When I
> open a message with an attachment I get the spinning beachball then
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> MacBook late 2006, 10.4.8, Eudora 6.2.4.

I would suspect you may have a corrupted Settings file.  You can rebuild
the Settings by holding down all the modifier keys
(command-option-shift-control) while you select Settings from the
Special menu.  This will retain your server info, but most of your other
customizations will be lost.  Before rebuilding the Settings, put a copy
somewhere outside the Eudora Folder so you can easily get it back if it
turns out the problem is not solved by rebuilding the Settings.

You can make it a little easier to restore your customizations if you
have Eudora create a list of them for you before you rebuild the
Settings.  Do this by opening a new message composition window and then
choose "Insert system configuration" from the Help menu.

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AES - 20 Jun 2008 15:02 GMT
> You can make it a little easier to restore your customizations if you
> have Eudora create a list of them for you before you rebuild the
> Settings.  Do this by opening a new message composition window and then
> choose "Insert system configuration" from the Help menu.
>  
> Kathy

More than a decade of heavy use of Eudora -- and I never knew this
capability existed!!

But . . .  I just did it, and the opening segment of the message says:

  ----System Information
  Platform: Macintosh
  System Version: 10.4.9
  Processor: PowerPC G4
  Physical RAM Installed: 1048,576K
  Total RAM: 2097,148K
  Eudora Version: 6.2.4
  TCP/IP Version: OpenTransport 1.0.3.0
  Main Video: 32 bit color at 1280x800 pixels

Huh?  I'm on an Intel MacBook -- and my System Version is 10.4.11.

??????????
Kathy Morgan - 20 Jun 2008 16:33 GMT
>    ----System Information
>    Platform: Macintosh
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Huh?  I'm on an Intel MacBook -- and my System Version is 10.4.11.

That's bizarre!  I'll have to try it on my MacBook when I get to the
office and see if it says the same thing.

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AES - 20 Jun 2008 18:32 GMT
> >    ----System Information
> >    Platform: Macintosh
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> That's bizarre!  I'll have to try it on my MacBook when I get to the
> office and see if it says the same thing.

I did have a G4 iBook -- and migrated up from it to present MacBook via
a fortunately available SuperDuper! backup of the G4, after its HD
failed.
Sander Tekelenburg - 21 Jun 2008 03:58 GMT
[...]

>    ----System Information
>    Platform: Macintosh
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Huh?  I'm on an Intel MacBook -- and my System Version is 10.4.11.

Under 10.4.11 on a G4 I get:

System Version: 10.4.9
Processor: Unidentified (00000113)
Eudora Version: 6.2.4b6

IIRC back when 10.4.10 was released some applications failed to
recognize it because they relied on the wrong method to request the
system version, not anticipating two digits. Perhaps that's what's
happening here.

No idea what is up with the CPU identifier.

Not that all this is a real problem. The main thing is you can get (some
of) your settings listed.

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Julian Y. Koh - 23 Jun 2008 21:53 GMT
> Huh?  I'm on an Intel MacBook -- and my System Version is 10.4.11.

Dunno about the OS version, but the CPU is likely because Eudora isn't a
Universal Binary - it runs in the Rosetta PowerPC code conversion/emulation
environment.
Mac G - 25 Jun 2008 09:23 GMT
> But . . .  I just did it, and the opening segment of the message says:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Huh?  I'm on an Intel MacBook -- and my System Version is 10.4.11.

From my G4/1.25 using Tiger 10.4.11, otherwise correct info.

----System Information
Platform: Macintosh
System Version: 10.4.9                     <<<XXXXXX    Tiger 10.4.11
Processor: Unidentified (00000111)    <<<XXXXXX     G4/1.25
Physical RAM Installed: 1572,864K
Total RAM: 2097,148K
Eudora Version: 6.2.4b6
TCP/IP Version: OpenTransport
Main Video: 32 bit color at 1680x1050 pixels
Shawn Harrison - 21 Jun 2008 06:06 GMT
> > Eudora is not putting attachments into the Attachments Folder.  When I

> > MacBook late 2006, 10.4.8, Eudora 6.2.4.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Settings.  Do this by opening a new message composition window and then
> choose "Insert system configuration" from the Help menu.

Just for grins, I looked at the Eudora Settings and Eudora
Settings.bkup files with TextWrangler.  Both are 68 KB on disk
(indicating some content) but they are empty.  Looks like I don't need
to make a copy before rebuilding.  I have backups of my Eudora folder.
If I find an uncorrupted Eudora Settings file can I replace the
corrupted one with it?
John H Meyers - 21 Jun 2008 19:10 GMT
> Just for grins, I looked at the Eudora Settings and Eudora
> Settings.bkup files with TextWrangler.  Both are 68 KB on disk
> (indicating some content) but they are empty.

How large is the Resource Fork?
(and how large can a resource fork ever be, anyway?)

Some say a 16MB limit; the following doesn't say about bytes,
but says "A resource fork can contain at most 2727 resources"
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/MoreToolbox/MoreToolbox-11.html

--
Bill Cole - 22 Jun 2008 04:55 GMT
> > Just for grins, I looked at the Eudora Settings and Eudora
> > Settings.bkup files with TextWrangler.  Both are 68 KB on disk
> > (indicating some content) but they are empty.
>
> How large is the Resource Fork?

Probably 68KB. My Eudora Settings file is a lot bigger, and all of it is
in the resource fork:

bigsky:~/Documents/Eudora Folder $ ls -l Eudora\ Settings
-rwxr-xr-x   1 dad  dad  0 Jun 21 22:46 Eudora Settings
bigsky:~/Documents/Eudora Folder $ ls -l Eudora\ Settings/rsrc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 dad  dad  137617 Jun 21 22:46 Eudora Settings/rsrc

Text Wrangler won't touch a resource fork.

> (and how large can a resource fork ever be, anyway?)

16 MB (binary) of resource data between the start of resource data and
the start of the last resource in the file, based on the structure of
resource type reflist entries. For safety this means 16MB, although I
guess in principle a static resource fork with n resources could have
just short of 16MB in its smallest and earliest-stored n-1 resources and
have one huge resource at the end of the resource data big enough to
balloon the file to 4GB.  

> Some say a 16MB limit; the following doesn't say about bytes,
> but says "A resource fork can contain at most 2727 resources"
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/MoreToolbox/MoreToolbox-11.html

The root cause for the 16MB limit is shown in Figure 1-16 on this page:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/MoreToolbox/MoreToolbox-99.h
tml#MARKER-9-477

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John H Meyers - 27 Jun 2008 20:54 GMT
> Text Wrangler won't touch a resource fork.

Exactly -- it is _normal_ to see nothing when trying
to view the Mac Eudora settings file with Text Wrangler,
because the "data fork" of the settings file is _normally_ empty.

So the conclusion by a discussion participant
that the settings file must be corrupted,
based on its size (including resource fork)
but seeing nothing in that attempt to view it as a text file
(which it is not), was not meaningful.

The idea to view the settings file that way
may have originated from experience with Windows Eudora,
where everything is indeed visible and editable, e.g.:

 [Settings]
 PopServer=pop.my.isp
 LoginName=whoami
 ...
Kathy Morgan - 22 Jun 2008 02:59 GMT
> Just for grins, I looked at the Eudora Settings and Eudora
> Settings.bkup files with TextWrangler.  Both are 68 KB on disk
> (indicating some content) but they are empty.  Looks like I don't need
> to make a copy before rebuilding.  I have backups of my Eudora folder.
> If I find an uncorrupted Eudora Settings file can I replace the
> corrupted one with it?

Yes, absolutely!  That would be the least painful cure for the problem.

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