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Gunther Abrahamson - 05 May 2008 18:15 GMT
I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4.  I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2.

Eudora crashes when I try to open mail.  No big deal as I just relaunch.
All the settings are correct. I can send and receive.  Are there some
conflicts with OS 10.5 ?
Steve W. Jackson - 05 May 2008 18:49 GMT
> I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4.  I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2.
>
> Eudora crashes when I try to open mail.  No big deal as I just relaunch.
> All the settings are correct. I can send and receive.  Are there some
> conflicts with OS 10.5 ?

Some people seem to have problems, but others do not.  Personally, I
don't think there are conflicts with 10.5.x at all, just with other
things that some people may have/use on their systems.  I've had no
troubles at all.
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John H Meyers - 05 May 2008 23:22 GMT
> I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4
> I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2

Upgraded from what?

http://www.eudora.com/download/
contains a potentially useful section
"Notice to OS X 10.5 'Leopard' users"
(explaining some things which may crash,
which they term "may not work well" :)

Some Leopard users report benefit from also changing
to using separate TOC files, rather than resource forks,
but not everyone finds the same.

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Gunther Abrahamson - 06 May 2008 01:09 GMT
>> I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4
>> I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2
>
> Upgraded from what?
from 10.4.4

> http://www.eudora.com/download/
> contains a potentially useful section
> "Notice to OS X 10.5 'Leopard' users"
> (explaining some things which may crash,
> which they term "may not work well" :)

Yes, I had read that and followed the offered suggestions.
I have now turned the sound off alltogether and will see how it goes.

> Some Leopard users report benefit from also changing
> to using separate TOC files, rather than resource forks,
> but not everyone finds the same.

Thank you.

G.A.
magdalena - 06 May 2008 02:01 GMT
> > I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4
> > I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> to using separate TOC files, rather than resource forks,
> but not everyone finds the same.

To the original poster: Follow the suggestions on the page cited above,
(regarding sound settings), and I think you'll find Eudora to work
perfectly fine in Leopard. I did it, and mine does. (I did not have to
change to separate TOC files.)
Daniel Cohen - 06 May 2008 08:01 GMT
> I am using Eudora v. 6.2.4.  I recently upgraded my OS to 10.5.2.
>
> Eudora crashes when I try to open mail.  No big deal as I just relaunch.
> All the settings are correct. I can send and receive.  Are there some
> conflicts with OS 10.5 ?

I have read that there are problems with Eudora sounds. Try setting any
sound notifications to system ones rather than Eudora ones.
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GGSA - 06 May 2008 13:11 GMT
> I have read that there are problems with Eudora sounds. Try setting any
> sound notifications to system ones rather than Eudora ones.

Right. I read that on the Eudora website and have reset the sound
notifications. Seems to have solved the problem.

Thanks all.
Steve Maser - 06 May 2008 13:41 GMT
In article
<87b8fa6a-2437-4689-833c-82bf7c12bbfb@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,

> > I have read that there are problems with Eudora sounds. Try setting any
> > sound notifications to system ones rather than Eudora ones.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thanks all.

Related to the sounds...

There are one other set of sounds that you have to turn off via
x-settings -- the sounds that come when somebody using Outlook Express
sends you a message and you get that "Notify Sender" box.

This plays a "Eudora sound", so you have to turn those off as well.
It's best to set them to a non-existant sound:

<x-eudora-setting:7118=NOTHINGHERE>
<x-eudora-setting:7907=NOTHINGHERE>

That helped a couple of my users who were getting e-mail from relatives
still using Outlook Express...

- Steve
John H Meyers - 06 May 2008 18:50 GMT
> There are one other set of sounds that you have to turn off via
> x-settings -- the sounds that come when somebody using Outlook Express
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> <x-eudora-setting:7118=NOTHINGHERE>
> <x-eudora-setting:7907=NOTHINGHERE>

Do you mean "Return Receipts"?

If those sounds are different and can be nullified, as above,
then that's an improvement from the previous idea
to set automatic "always yes (or no)" for Return Receipts.

One summary of all related useful Leopard adjustments
would seem to be useful to have as reference.

Are there any other still unique sounds?

Thanks.

---

Of course, it would also be useful
if Leopard would not suffer crashes,
just because of sound files which it does not understand
(or are "sound files" some sort of "executable,"
rather than just encoded sound recordings?)
Steve Maser - 07 May 2008 13:54 GMT
> > <x-eudora-setting:7118=NOTHINGHERE>
> > <x-eudora-setting:7907=NOTHINGHERE>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> then that's an improvement from the previous idea
> to set automatic "always yes (or no)" for Return Receipts.

I *believe* that's different.

> One summary of all related useful Leopard adjustments
> would seem to be useful to have as reference.
>
> Are there any other still unique sounds?

I asked the developer this and he said "no" -- that was the only other
"hidden" sound that would use one of the bad "Eudora" sounds...

- Steve
GGSA - 07 May 2008 20:22 GMT
As I said before, I canceled all the Eudora sounds and have had no
crashes since.

Thanks again.
Steve Maser - 07 May 2008 20:48 GMT
In article
<0d959427-cec6-493d-b48d-91b708112501@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

> As I said before, I canceled all the Eudora sounds and have had no
> crashes since.
>
> Thanks again.

The only *other* crash we've seen here (and can't reproduce with 100%
certainty) is with attachments.

For some of my users, if they attach documents through the "Attach
Document" command in the message menu, the program will SPOD when it
brings up the Finder window where a document would be selected.   Then
the program will eventually crash at that point.

But it's not always reproducible.  I'd *love* to get a reproducible
case for this so I can send it up to Apple/Qualcomm.

Dragging attachments into an open message always is fine, though.

- Steve
Steve W. Jackson - 08 May 2008 15:10 GMT
> In article
> <0d959427-cec6-493d-b48d-91b708112501@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> - Steve

I don't have a clue what "SPOD" might mean, but...  I have *never* used
the drag-to-open-message technique except once to test something someone
in this NG reported.  And I don't have any crashes except rarely, and
none that appear related to attachments.
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Patty Winter - 08 May 2008 16:02 GMT
> I have *never* used
>the drag-to-open-message technique except once to test something someone
>in this NG reported.  

I've tried it a couple of times, and both times, my recipients
reported not receiving an attachment. Maybe it was in the
transmission somewhere, garbled, but they couldn't see it.

>And I don't have any crashes except rarely, and
>none that appear related to attachments.

Ditto.

Patty
Sander Tekelenburg - 08 May 2008 16:28 GMT
[...]

> > For some of my users, if they attach documents through the "Attach
> > Document" command in the message menu, the program will SPOD [...]
>
> I don't have a clue what "SPOD" might mean

<http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SPOD>

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Patty Winter - 08 May 2008 17:38 GMT
>> I don't have a clue what "SPOD" might mean
>
><http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SPOD>

Huh, that site says the "P" stands for "pizza." I found another
site that says "pinwheel," which makes more sense. (Unless you
know anyone who divides their pizzas into six different-colored
sections.)

Actually, I've always heard it described as a "beachball."

Patty
John H Meyers - 08 May 2008 18:15 GMT
What you see in the "spinning thing" determines your personality :)

If you see it while listening to George Noory,
it will of course look like an alien spacecraft.

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Steve W. Jackson - 08 May 2008 17:47 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> <http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SPOD>

Wow...never would've guessed that, since it bears no resemblance to any
pizza I'd ever eat!!  :-)

Thanks for the pointer.

= Steve =
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Peter Ceresole - 08 May 2008 19:49 GMT
> > > I don't have a clue what "SPOD" might mean
> >
> > <http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SPOD>
>
> Wow...never would've guessed that, since it bears no resemblance to any
> pizza I'd ever eat!!  :-)

As far as I am concerned, it's always been the Frisbee of Death. SPOD is
kinda Johnny come lately...
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Peter Ceresole - 08 May 2008 17:58 GMT
> I have *never* used
> the drag-to-open-message technique except once to test something someone
> in this NG reported.

If you mean dragging the attachment(s) into the open message window, to
where it says 'attachments', then I've never used any other method, and
it's always been totally reliable and incredibly simple.

But I've not tried it in Eudora 6.4 and OS 10.5.n, which from what I
read here is the combination seems to cause the trouble.

> And I don't have any crashes except rarely, and
> none that appear related to attachments.

Certainly true here, using PPC Macs, OS 10.3.9 and OS 10.4.11, and
Eudora Light 6.1. Not even rare crashes; certainly none in the past
several years.
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R. Millstein - 09 May 2008 04:38 GMT
> > I have *never* used
> > the drag-to-open-message technique except once to test something someone
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But I've not tried it in Eudora 6.4 and OS 10.5.n, which from what I
> read here is the combination seems to cause the trouble.

That's the only way I ever attach anything... and I'm using Eudora 6.4
and OS 10.5.2.  No crashes having anything to do with attachments.

Roberta
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Steve Maser - 09 May 2008 14:08 GMT
> That's the only way I ever attach anything... and I'm using Eudora 6.4
> and OS 10.5.2.  No crashes having anything to do with attachments.
>
> Roberta

I, too, as the admin here only ever "dragged" attachments into Eudora
(so I never saw this...)

It was only until we started updating people to 10.5.x that we found a
number of people were using the menus for this...

- Steve
Patty Winter - 10 May 2008 01:24 GMT
>I, too, as the admin here only ever "dragged" attachments into Eudora

So, any idea why when I drag a photo into the message window, my
recipients never see it?

Patty
R. Millstein - 10 May 2008 01:48 GMT
> >I, too, as the admin here only ever "dragged" attachments into Eudora
>
> So, any idea why when I drag a photo into the message window, my
> recipients never see it?

Not sure why that would be, but there is a difference between dragging a
photo into the message window (where it gets sent inline, I believe) and
dragging the same file to the part of the message where it says
"Attachments."

Roberta
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Patty Winter - 10 May 2008 03:23 GMT
>> >I, too, as the admin here only ever "dragged" attachments into Eudora
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>dragging the same file to the part of the message where it says
>"Attachments."

Ah, okay. When you folks were talking about dragging attachments
into a Eudora message, I thought you meant into the message window.
I'll try dragging a photo to the Attachments header and see what
happens.

Patty
Mac G - 24 May 2008 07:00 GMT
> >I, too, as the admin here only ever "dragged" attachments into Eudora
>
> So, any idea why when I drag a photo into the message window, my
> recipients never see it?
>
> Patty

Mine do.
Are you sure the photos are a format your receivers can read.
I always use JPG.
 
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