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Eudora finally shows it's age

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Mac G - 28 Apr 2008 08:40 GMT
Up until the last few months I've been quite happy with Eudora 6.2.4b6
(the latest & last) for OS X .

However recently I've been receiving a few Emails containing what may be
X-HTML data, which Eudora can't handle. These Emails are also broken
into two or more parts in my In Box.

I can access these Emails using web mail; the browsers can handle it.

Tried a test with Thunderbird and it couldn't handle this new formatting.

Apple's OS X.4.11 Mail can handle it, but I'm not going to use Mail as
there a few things about it I don't like.

I'm wondering if the coming (?) new Eudora will be able to handle it, or
if it will be added to Thunderbird?

G
Guenther - 28 Apr 2008 16:38 GMT
> Up until the last few months I've been quite happy with Eudora 6.2.4b6
> (the latest & last) for OS X .

There is a final release 6.2.4.

> However recently I've been receiving a few Emails containing what may be
> X-HTML data, which Eudora can't handle. These Emails are also broken
> into two or more parts in my In Box.
>
> I can access these Emails using web mail; the browsers can handle it.

This Eudora 6.2.4 release will not help with your problem. If you need
these files, you should ask the sender to go to something you can read
without problems.
Here, I did not have any problems with Eudora so far. I still like it a
lot.
Philo D - 28 Apr 2008 19:10 GMT
> Up until the last few months I've been quite happy with Eudora 6.2.4b6
> (the latest & last) for OS X .
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>
> G

In the mean time... select both messages, to a save-as, using
a name like Name.html, then open in a browser.
John H Meyers - 28 Apr 2008 21:27 GMT
Hasn't there always been a direct "Open in browser" menu command
(under "File") for any message that has non-simplistic HTML?
(pages 120 and 282 of the 6.2.4 Mac version PDF manual)

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G. A. Edgar - 29 Apr 2008 16:31 GMT
> Hasn't there always been a direct "Open in browser" menu command
> (under "File") for any message that has non-simplistic HTML?
> (pages 120 and 282 of the 6.2.4 Mac version PDF manual)

Doesn't work when the message is split in two, as in this case.
Right?

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Peter Ceresole - 29 Apr 2008 16:39 GMT
> Doesn't work when the message is split in two, as in this case.
> Right?

But you've always been able to highlight the parts and 'save as', then
drop the merged file onto a browser?
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John H Meyers - 29 Apr 2008 18:29 GMT
[re "Open in browser"]

> Doesn't work when the message is split in two, as in this case, right?

A message "split in two" may not have been sent (or delivered) correctly,
which if so is the real problem at hand, so although working hard
to personally correct badly sent messages may be worthwhile
for the sake of already-sent messages,
the avoidance of future messages sent the same way
may also be a useful pursuit.

Even if optional "message chunking" (RFC3030)
were employed between SMTP servers,
the complete message should have been re-assembled into one whole
before POP downloading -- "chunking" is also so uncommon that
even our mail screening vendor recommends refusing to handle it,
because one of its most popular real-world applications turns out
to be the attempt to impede virus detection in transit;
no personal email programs that I'm aware of
can even handle sending this way.

In any case, it should have nothing to do with x-html content,
nor "Eudora showing its age" (just like Thunderbird?)
which the OP seems to have presumed, because parsing
of message parts (and end-of-message boundaries)
has nothing to do with the content of those parts,
since these are different "layers" of the entire process
of first transporting whole messages (potentially
containing MIME parts), then subsequently displaying
the parts only when individual messages are opened
(and finally using "Open in browser" to send it all
to a fully-capable browser for display,
instead of the internal, intentionally limited display pakage).

By the way, how large is each part of a "split" message?

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John H Meyers - 28 Apr 2008 21:54 GMT
> I can access these Emails using web mail; the browsers can handle it.

> Tried a test with Thunderbird and it couldn't handle this new formatting.

If your ISP's "webmail" can not display the UN-interpreted original message,
exactly as stored on the POP server, try viewing it using
http://mail2web.com  or http://myemail.com

Each of the above has a "view source" or "view original" function,
by means of which you can see exactly what is being sent,
which might help to fathom just what the problem is.

Gmail accounts have a similar "show original" function;
Gmail can even pull POP mail from any server
(and can leave it on the server too,
so that Eudora can still download it afterwards),
so there are many avenues by which one can a look
at the entire incoming message, with all its headers
and "parts" (alternative, embedded, and attached sections).

Eudora's "open in browser" function has long existed,
expressly for passing to a complete web browser
anything for which Eudora's simple internal html displayer
was not designed.

> These Emails are also broken into two or more parts in my In Box.

Does the same happen with Thunderbird?  (Which version?)

This raises the suspicion that the message "parts"
may not have been correctly generated, because internet "MIME" standards
govern how those are supposed to be formatted (and terminated by "boundary strings");
it's often spec violations at that point (or a corrupted server mailbox file)
which may confuse interpreters that rely on those standards.

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Paolo Cordone - 29 Apr 2008 18:06 GMT
> Up until the last few months I've been quite happy with Eudora 6.2.4b6
> (the latest & last) for OS X .

Why don't you download the actual final release of 6.2.4?

> I can access these Emails using web mail; the browsers can handle it.

That sounds good, could you not continue to use your browser to read those
emails? After all Eudora has never been very good at rendering HTML-rich
emails (thankfully :-) so it's nothing new.

Paolo
Peter Ceresole - 29 Apr 2008 18:38 GMT
> After all Eudora has never been very good at rendering HTML-rich
> emails (thankfully :-) so it's nothing new.

No, but it's always made it easy to handle them via 'open in browser'.
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Calvin - 05 May 2008 01:45 GMT
> > After all Eudora has never been very good at rendering HTML-rich
> > emails (thankfully :-) so it's nothing new.
>
> No, but it's always made it easy to handle them via 'open in browser'.

I have been using Eudora since OS 7.6.2 and never knew this option
existed.  Thanks to all for bringing this to my attention....
 
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