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lipwak - 01 Apr 2008 03:36 GMT

Hi,

I've been waiting for an update for Eudora for a long time. Will there
be one? Is Thunderbird what Eudora is turning into? I've also seen
something about Odysseus and various betas of Eudora. (I'm not saying
they are in tandem though.)

6.2.4 is working fine but it's been so long since an update. Yes, I
know Qualcomm isn't working on it anymore but I am surprised it has
gone this long without being updated by someone. Or am I just looking
in the wrong places?

Thanks.

John L
running OSX 10.4.11, Eudora 6.2.4 with about 10 years worth of e-mail
on it

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Kathy Morgan - 01 Apr 2008 04:14 GMT

> I've been waiting for an update for Eudora for a long time. Will there
> be one?

No. It belongs to Qualcomm and they are no longer maintaining it.

> Is Thunderbird what Eudora is turning into? I've also seen
> something about Odysseus and various betas of Eudora. (I'm not saying
> they are in tandem though.)

Odysseus is a probject by infinitydatasystems to produce a replacement
email client that hopefully will have similar qualities to Eudora, and
Thunderbird/Penelope is a similar effort by Mozilla.

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lipwak - 01 Apr 2008 20:21 GMT

OK. I knew Qualcomm wasn't supporting it anymore but wasn't there
supposed to be an open source version of whatever Eudora was going to
turn into? I thought people were working on a successor.

I guess I have no need to change to another mail client but if I did,
what would you recommend? What would be the most Eudora-like?

Thanks.

John L

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Kathy Morgan - 02 Apr 2008 00:12 GMT

> OK. I knew Qualcomm wasn't supporting it anymore but wasn't there
> supposed to be an open source version of whatever Eudora was going to
> turn into? I thought people were working on a successor.

Yes, that's the Penelope project.

> I guess I have no need to change to another mail client but if I did,
> what would you recommend? What would be the most Eudora-like?

Oh, boy, I have no idea. For the time being I'm sticking with Eudora as
long as it works and hoping that either Penelope or Odysseus turns into
a stable product that I'll want to use.

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lipwak - 02 Apr 2008 05:40 GMT

Thanks. I've appreciated all your help over the years.

Cheers,

John L

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Sander Tekelenburg - 03 Apr 2008 17:34 GMT

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<e79d75d6-4c0d-4850-ad7f-63e98f3fbdb7@c26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

> I knew Qualcomm wasn't supporting it anymore but wasn't there
> supposed to be an open source version of whatever Eudora was going to
> turn into?

Qualcomm is paying a few Eudora developers to work on a project,
Penelope, to make a version of Thunderbird that is to be a successor to
Eudora. That project, Penelope, is open source (because Thunderbird is).

For some reason people find all this too complicated, and have changed
the story into "Eudora is open source".

Eudora is as closed source as it ever was. It is not being developed
anymore. No bugfixes, nothing.

Another company is working on its own closed source mail client,
Odysseus, which it conciders a successor to Eudora.

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R. Millstein - 03 Apr 2008 19:01 GMT

> In article
> <e79d75d6-4c0d-4850-ad7f-63e98f3fbdb7@c26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
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> For some reason people find all this too complicated, and have changed
> the story into "Eudora is open source".

This is not entirely the end user's fault; the Penelope project refers
to the successor as Eudora. See <http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope> ,
which refers to the "latest beta release of Eudora, version 8.0.0b3."

Roberta

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Sander Tekelenburg - 04 Apr 2008 03:50 GMT

[...]

> > For some reason people find all this too complicated, and have changed
> > the story into "Eudora is open source".
>
> This is not entirely the end user's fault; the Penelope project refers
> to the successor as Eudora. See <http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope> ,
> which refers to the "latest beta release of Eudora, version 8.0.0b3."

Hrmpf, you're quite right. That sort of stuff doesn't exactly help
people understand the situation :(

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Mac G - 04 Apr 2008 07:08 GMT

> This is not entirely the end user's fault; the Penelope project refers
> to the successor as Eudora. See <http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope> ,
> which refers to the "latest beta release of Eudora, version 8.0.0b3."

http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/8.0.0b3/RelNotes.txt

> ==============================================================================
> EUDORA VERSION 8.0
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> of Eudora. This will normally be done by labeling the older versions of
> Eudora as "original Eudora" or "Classic Eudora".

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R. Millstein - 04 Apr 2008 07:38 GMT

> > This is not entirely the end user's fault; the Penelope project refers
> > to the successor as Eudora. See <http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope> ,
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> > of Eudora. This will normally be done by labeling the older versions of
> > Eudora as "original Eudora" or "Classic Eudora".

Oh yeah, and that's clear. *rolls eyes*.

Roberta

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AES - 04 Apr 2008 15:50 GMT

> Oh yeah, and that's clear. *rolls eyes*.
>
> Roberta

Thank you. I was sitting here, trying to decide: Am I just slow this
morning, or was that "explanation" basically un-understandable?

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John H Meyers - 05 Apr 2008 04:08 GMT

> was that "explanation" basically un-understandable?

That last word is itself hard to chew on, but everyone knows by now:

"Penelope" -- extension for either Thunderbird or "Eudora 8"

"Eudora 8" -- modified version of Thunderbird (Penelope included in download)

"Odysseus" -- would-be commercial competitor.

"AES" itself has other meanings, some quite cryptic (or cryptographic):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Engineering_Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Embassy_School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_export_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_Entomologists'_Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43d_Aeromedical_Evacuation_Squadron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auger_electron_spectroscopy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Elasmobranch_Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard

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Sander Tekelenburg - 04 Apr 2008 16:11 GMT

[... defining "Eudora"]

> > <http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/8.0.0b3/RelNotes.txt>

[...]

> Oh yeah, and that's clear. *rolls eyes*.

This thing keep amazing me about the tech industry. On the one hand we
have developers, for whom binary is a natural state -- there simply is
no "inbetween", ever. On the other we have people selling the resulting
product, who generally are completely and utterly incapable of being
even remotely clear/concrete about anything ever. A world of extremes.

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update to 6.2.4?