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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / January 2008Status update on Odysseus ("The Eudora Successor")
Matt Milano has posted a status update on Odysseus, a project that is attempting to recreate the features of Eudora, on the Infinity Data Systems forum: <http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75> The essence of the message is that the beta (Phase 2) will be 2-3 weeks later than anticipated (see the roadmap, <http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45>). Matt states that the delay was due to waiting for feedback on whether to use a hybrid storage method (see <http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34>), and that they used the waiting time to work on Phase 3, which will be completed more quickly as a result. The good news, from my point of view, is that IDS has been so willing to communicate with its potential customers. A several week delay is not unusual by any stretch of the imagination. Roberta  SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Matt Milano has posted a status update on Odysseus, a project that is > attempting to recreate the features of Eudora, on the Infinity Data [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > communicate with its potential customers. A several week delay is not > unusual by any stretch of the imagination. I'm watching that project with great anticipation. Being a software developer as well as a confirmed cynic, I have a different take. IDS announced in September that they would have a beta by "the end of the year." Then they say nothing at all, not a word, for three or four months; and finally at the very end of December they announce they are two or or three weeks late. It's been my long experience that when you think you are three weeks late, you are more like a couple of months late. On their forum they said they are working around the clock to get the release out. That's another sign that they're really two months late. They are hoping to finish in three weeks by working 24 hours a day. Don't get me wrong. I looked at Mozilla and didn't like it, and I will be the first kid on my block to try out the IDS beta. All I'm saying is that when you get an announcement, followed by three months of silence, followed by an announcement that the release is three weeks late and we're working night and day, that actually translates to two months late. In article <BLOCKSPAMfishfry-C78B66.18033305012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > I'm watching that project with great anticipation. Being a software > developer as well as a confirmed cynic, I have a different take. IDS > announced in September that they would have a beta by "the end of the > year." Then they say nothing at all, not a word, for three or four > months; and finally at the very end of December they announce they are > two or or three weeks late. That isn't true... Matt Milano has been very active on the IDS forums throughout that time. And they solicited feedback about a proposed storage method, and were very responsive about concerns that were raised. Take another look at the forums and you'll see what I mean. > It's been my long experience that when you think you are three weeks > late, you are more like a couple of months late. It is certainly true that most computer tasks -- maybe most non-repetitive tasks -- take longer than one thinks that they will. But there's no point in discussing how long it will take them. When the beta is out, then we'll know the answer. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com In article <BLOCKSPAMfishfry-C78B66.18033305012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > > Matt Milano has posted a status update on Odysseus, a project that is > > attempting to recreate the features of Eudora, on the Infinity Data [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > followed by an announcement that the release is three weeks late and > we're working night and day, that actually translates to two months late. As long as good old Eudora is still doing a great job, Odysseus may be delayed. But there should not be a Alpha release like we saw it with the Penelope project. I was close to switching to Apple Mail, when I saw this piece of software doing nothing that I expected from a "new Eudora". I prefer a rewrite from the ground up, as long as there is a future for my old Eudora database. It is strange, Eudora is one of the few programs that I used for more than 12 years now. Just a handfull of veterans like Microsoft Word and Excel and of course Ragtime and Filemaker are (much) longer in service now... > In article > <BLOCKSPAMfishfry-C78B66.18033305012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > As long as good old Eudora is still doing a great job, Odysseus may be > delayed. Eudora is working for me under Leopard but seems less stable with some junk in the status window. > But there should not be a Alpha release like we saw it with > the Penelope project. I was close to switching to Apple Mail, when I > saw this piece of software doing nothing that I expected from a "new > Eudora". It feels to me like Penelope is stalled but that's just an impression. > I prefer a rewrite from the ground up, as long as there is a future for > my old Eudora database. It is strange, Eudora is one of the few > programs that I used for more than 12 years now. Just a handfull of > veterans like Microsoft Word and Excel and of course Ragtime and > Filemaker are (much) longer in service now... At this moment, for me, there is the MailSmith 2.2 beta, Penelope, and Odysseus, all in the running for prime time. > At this moment, for me, there is the MailSmith 2.2 beta, Penelope, and > Odysseus, all in the running for prime time. I was just about to recommend the Mailsmith beta :-) I am using it since about 6 weeks now. I think it is a really good replacement for Eudora and the support is simply great. They even adapted the import routines so that all my old Eudora mail that I previously had used with Thunderbird could be imported. I think Penelope is very far from beeing useful (if it will ever be), Odysseus might come out good or it might not, Mailsmith is very usable right now (even in beta state). (This is just my opinion. YMMV) Happy new year from Germany, Bernd Is there a link to download Mailsmith 2.2 beta other than FTB? bolobar > Is there a link to download Mailsmith 2.2 beta other than FTB? The download link for the latest betas is posted to the mailsmith talk mailinglist and only works for a couple of days. Since it is a public beta I hope I don´t break any rules when I post the last link here with the complete mail: -------------------------------- Good { morning, afternoon, evening }, Thanks to everyone who's taken the 2.2 betas out for a spin. A new build is available with fixes for a few of the problems that were reported. For the benefit of all :-), here is important information that was circulated with the previous beta releases, and which will be repeated with all future pre-release builds: There are several very important considerations, which we ask you to ponder before downloading and installing this new version: * Mailsmith 2.2 is not ready for release to the general public. It is pre-release software, which has not been completely tested or debugged. We will do our best to fix any bugs that are reported; but you must acknowledge, at least to yourself, that you are assuming a certain amount of risk by using this pre-release version; and that by assuming that risk, you accept all responsibility for the consequences of doing so. We do not recommend that you rely on pre-release versions of any software that your business depends on, and that includes pre-release versions of Mailsmith. * Pre-release versions of Mailsmith are UNSUPPORTED. If you have a problem, please do NOT write to tech support for assistance. See below for more information. * Mailsmith 2.2 is NOT for sale. If you are not currently a Mailsmith customer, and wish to try out the pre-releases running as a demo, we can't stop you, but you are on your own. If you are considering purchasing Mailsmith, we recommend that you wait until 2.2 is officially released and available through our online store. * The storage format of mailboxes has changed, and it is NOT backward-compatible with Mailsmith 2.1.x. Once you start using Mailsmith 2.2, there is no going back to 2.1.x (or any previous version, for that matter). We also recommend against trying to run 2.1 and 2.2 side-by-side. If you are willing to make it work, more power to you; but we cannot support simultaneous use of 2.2 and any previous version. * 2.2 will convert the stored mail from Mailsmith 2.1 ONLY. If you are using 2.0, you should update to 2.1.5 before installing and using 2.2. If you are using 1.0 or 1.5, you must upgrade to 2.1 before you can use 2.2. * If you are a PGP user: Mailsmith 2.2 works with PGP 9. It will not work with PGP 8. You can download the latest PGP 9 freeware from PGP, which will work fine. * Mailsmith 2.2 requires Mac OS X 10.4. We recommend 10.4.9. It will not run on any version of the OS older than 10.4. Because the whole public-beta thing is a departure from our usual routine, we're making a few adjustments to our usual processes for bug reporting. With that in mind, PLEASE DO NOT WRITE TO TECH SUPPORT IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS. If you are a previously nondisclosed beta site, please continue to use the channels that have been made available to you. If not, please post a description of your problem to the list, for now. We will announce new pre-release builds on the list, as well. Complete change notes for the current pre-release build are below. Please read them, in their entirety, before downloading, installing, and/or using Mailsmith 2.2. version 2.2 (239) (12/28/2007) *** Note to beta sites: We're getting away from using the old-style version number convention for pre-release builds. You may have noticed that we've begun using build numbers in tandem with the "marketing version number, and beginning now, by fiat :-), we're switching to using build numbers exclusively for Mailsmith pre-release builds. So, instead of "2.2b9" for example, it's now "2.2 (203)". The number in parentheses is the important number to use when sending in bug reports; this will help us keep better track of things going forward. * NB: some of the changes here were made for a previous build, but were not included in that build's change notes. Additions --------- o (none in this version) Changes ------- * [DOC] New and improved version checker, the same as the one used in Yojimbo 1.5. Fixes ----- * [NFR] When pasting into a message body, Mailsmith will decline to insert an image from the clipboard if there is also text on the clipboard. This resolves the reported problem when pasting data copied from Excel. (Pasting into the enclosure list will always create a file attachment if there is an image on the clipboard, regardless of whether there is text there as well.) * [NFR] Fixed bug in which pasting old-tyme PICT data resulted in a malformed attachment. * [NFR] Restored missing "Open Scripts Folder" command [91829] * [NFR] Fixed bug which would cause rebuild or export to skip messages in some situations. =end= You can download the current pre-release build here: <http://seeding.barebones.com//yankee/p0llen/dust_B0w1/mailsmith-22_239. dmg> Please use the URL complete; don't try to navigate to any of the intermediate directories, because you won't be able to see them. |
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