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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / December 2007Including extra headers in outgoing e-mail
Having recently had a disk crash, and lost amongst other things, all my outgoing e-mails for several weeks, I feel the need to make sure my outgoing e-mails are saved somewhere else. I'm thinking of getting a gmail account, and BCCing all my outgoing messages to there. I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed extra headers to be included in every outgoing message. Could someone please remind me what it is called, and if possible where to get it? Thanks David > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed extra headers to > be included in every outgoing message. Could someone please remind me > what it is called, and if possible where to get it? It's called 'Esoteric Settings' and is distributed with Eudora; you'll find it in the original package.  SignaturePeter > > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed extra headers to > > be included in every outgoing message. Could someone please remind me > > what it is called, and if possible where to get it? > > It's called 'Esoteric Settings' and is distributed with Eudora; you'll > find it in the original package. I thought so too, but I already have Esoteric Settings installed. Which setting is it in? Thanks David > I thought so too, but I already have Esoteric Settings installed. Which > setting is it in? Look in 'Extra Headers'. SignaturePeter > > I thought so too, but I already have Esoteric Settings installed. Which > > setting is it in? > > Look in 'Extra Headers'. Hmmm.. I don't seem to have a setting called Extra Headers, although I do remember seeing it in the past. Get info on the Eudora application certainly shows Esoteric Settings 6.0 installed and active. I wonder what could have happened to it? Cheers David > > > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed extra headers to > > > be included in every outgoing message. Could someone please remind me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I thought so too, but I already have Esoteric Settings installed. Which > setting is it in? It's not part of Esoteric Settings--it's part of some other plugin that doesn't come with Eudora, but I don't remember what it's called. I've seen it mentioned here, but I don't remember what it is. Peter, what other plugins do you have activated? SignatureKathy > It's not part of Esoteric Settings--it's part of some other plugin that > doesn't come with Eudora, but I don't remember what it's called. I've > seen it mentioned here, but I don't remember what it is. Peter, what > other plugins do you have activated? Using Eudora 6.1.1, OS 10.3.9. UPPERlower text OS X StaticJunkDB.txt Spamwatch OSX Spamheaders OSX Rot13 Carbon OE5 Importer (X) Mail.app Importer Kerberos Settings Eudora Standard Tables Eudora Icons 6.0 ESP OSX Esoteric Settings 6.0 Emailer 2.0v3 Importer (X) By gosh, I never knew I had most of those. The only ones I enabled (consciously) were Eudora Standard Tables, and Esoteric Settings, which last I really did think were the origin of the Extra Headings panel. Previously to Esoteric Settings I used to use SuperSleek, which also had an Extra Headings panel, but with pictures (and still works with 6.1 under OS10). The Spam and Junk related plugins must be part of the original installation, because I've always used Eudora in Light mode, with multiple Settings files and no spam control; that's handled by Demon's Cloudmark facility, which works very well, and by my filters which sweep up the rest. SignaturePeter > Using Eudora 6.1.1, OS 10.3.9. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Eudora Icons 6.0 > ESP OSX This might be the one with extra headings. <me checks> Nope, I've got that too, but I don't have an extra headings pane. > Esoteric Settings 6.0 > Emailer 2.0v3 Importer (X) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > an Extra Headings panel, but with pictures (and still works with 6.1 > under OS10). I've never used SuperSleek, but that's the one--I know I've read here that it provides extra headers. SignatureKathy > > Previously to Esoteric Settings I used to use SuperSleek, which also had > > an Extra Headings panel, but with pictures (and still works with 6.1 > > under OS10). > > I've never used SuperSleek, but that's the one--I know I've read here > that it provides extra headers. But I killed it a long time ago, and the Extra Headers panel looks quite different in Supersleek, from my present setup. In my disabled plugins, I do have Sleek-a-Boo, but it really is disabled... SignaturePeter > > > Previously to Esoteric Settings I used to use SuperSleek, which also had > > > an Extra Headings panel, but with pictures (and still works with 6.1 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > In my disabled plugins, I do have Sleek-a-Boo, but it really is > disabled... Hmmm....well, I went through your list of active plugins again, and the only difference between our two lists is Eudora Standard Tables, which I don't have, active or disabled. Could that be providing extra headers? The name doesn't suggest that it would. SignatureKathy > Hmmm....well, I went through your list of active plugins again, and the > only difference between our two lists is Eudora Standard Tables, which I > don't have, active or disabled. Could that be providing extra headers? I don't believe that it does. Here's what Andreas Prilop had to say about them: "Eudora Standard Tables contain the conversion ("transliteration") tables for the Roman (West European Latin) script. You can use them to exchange mail containing special letters from West European languages. They allow you to specify explicitly the character set of outgoing messages: MacRoman, ISO-Latin-1, IBM850, US-ASCII. They can be used with any version of Eudora - alone or together with other Eudora Tables." Nothing about headers at all... SignaturePeter > > Hmmm....well, I went through your list of active plugins again, and the > > only difference between our two lists is Eudora Standard Tables, which I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nothing about headers at all... Well, that's exactly what I thought, but it is the only plugin we have different, and I don't have a preference pane for extra headers. The mystery remains unsolved... SignatureKathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> > The mystery remains unsolved... Yes. Isn't it fun when that happens..? SignaturePeter > > > > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed extra headers to > > > > be included in every outgoing message. Could someone please remind me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's not part of Esoteric Settings--it's part of some other plugin that > doesn't come with Eudora When I disable all plug-ins "Extra Headers" is still there. So it must be a core part of Eudora. Therefore I'd say that if it's not there for someone, we must be either talking about different versions of Eudora (6.2.4b6 here), or some plug-in messing things up, or a corrupted Eudora application. SuperSleek/Sleek-A-Boo does privide two extra "Sleek X-Headers" panes, the first of which duplicates the three fields that are provided by "Extra headers". (Any and all setting can be configured through the x-eudora-settings mechanism btw. All those plug-ins are there merely to privide a graphical UI for certain settings.) SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > When I disable all plug-ins "Extra Headers" is still there. So it must > be a core part of Eudora. > > Therefore I'd say that if it's not there for someone, we must be either > talking about different versions of Eudora (6.2.4b6 here), Hmmm...I've got 6.2.4, and I don't have "Extra Headers. " Peter has 6.1.1, and both you and he do have it. Maybe it got lost before the final version of 6.2.4--they dropped something else between the beta and final, so maybe Extra Headers also got lost. Or maybe I do have some corruption. :-( SignatureKathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> > > When I disable all plug-ins "Extra Headers" is still there. So it must > > be a core part of Eudora. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > final, so maybe Extra Headers also got lost. Or maybe I do have some > corruption. :-( I'm running 6.2.4. I do not have "Extra Headers". I do have Esoteric Settings 6.0. I have had "Extra Headers" in the past, and used them. Cheers, Darrell SignatureTo reply, substitute .net for .invalid in address, i.e., darrell.usenet6 (at) telus.net > > When I disable all plug-ins "Extra Headers" is still there. So it must > > be a core part of Eudora. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hmmm...I've got 6.2.4, and I don't have "Extra Headers. " Weird. What happens when you enable SuperSleek or Sleek-A-Boo? Does that give you at least both the the Sleek X-Headers panes (and perhaps somehow magically :) the Extra Headers one as well)? Btw, since both SuperSleek and Sleek-A-Boo seem to have disappeared from the 'net and people often ask about it, I've put Sleek-A-Boo on-line: <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/downloads/Sleek-A-Boo Plugin1.0.1.zip>. I assume the author is fine with that. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > What happens when you enable SuperSleek or Sleek-A-Boo? Does that give > you at least both the the Sleek X-Headers panes (and perhaps somehow [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/downloads/Sleek-A-Boo Plugin1.0.1.zip>. > I assume the author is fine with that. Thanks for posting that. It would seem that most of its settings are already available in Esoteric Settings, although it does have the ability to add extra headers. No, the Extra Headers setting did not come back. David > Hmmm...I've got 6.2.4, and I don't have "Extra Headers. " Peter has > 6.1.1, and both you and he do have it. Maybe it got lost before the > final version of 6.2.4--they dropped something else between the beta and > final, so maybe Extra Headers also got lost. Or maybe I do have some > corruption. :-( I wonder if it could be related to how you got to 6.2.4? The setting seems to be there for 6.1.1. at least. For some people it seems to be there for 6.2.4, but not for others. Maybe if you upgrade an existing Eudora it remains, but if you do a clean install, it is not there? (I did a clean install when I moved to a new Mac, and don't have the setting.) David > I wonder if it could be related to how you got to 6.2.4? You may well be right. I went (play that old, old tune) via 1.5, to 3.1.3, to 6.1.1. I used to use Supersleek, but when I saw that the Eudora 6 distro included Esoteric Settings, I switched to that. No reason, just curiosity. A couple of years ago I cloned the Eudora application package and folder from a TiBook (where it's still in daily use) to a G5 iMac. I still have Sleek-a-boo in my *disabled* plugins, but I don't think that should make a difference. SignaturePeter > > Hmmm...I've got 6.2.4, and I don't have "Extra Headers. " Peter has > > 6.1.1, and both you and he do have it. Maybe it got lost before the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Maybe if you upgrade an existing Eudora it remains, but if you do a > clean install, it is not there? Ah, that may be. I didn't intend to do a clean install, but I remember when I installed it to my OS X partition and I had to show Eudora where to find my Eudora Settings so I probably did accidentally do a clean install. SignatureKathy Has it anything to do with this extra plugin: "Extra Header plug-in (Mac)" http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2080hq.html (with directions for both Classic and OS X) "Personality Headers plug-in" http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/download/Personality_Headers.sit -- > Has it anything to do with this extra plugin: > > "Extra Header plug-in (Mac)" > http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2080hq.html > (with directions for both Classic and OS X) It may have, but I don't have it either installed or enabled. SignaturePeter > Has it anything to do with this extra plugin: > > "Extra Header plug-in (Mac)" > http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2080hq.html > (with directions for both Classic and OS X) This points to Personality Headers... > "Personality Headers plug-in" > http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/download/Personality_Headers.sit ... and when I set it to insert a Bcc: header, the Bcc: did not appear in outgoing messages. Thanks for your research John. David >> "Personality Headers plug-in" > when I set it to insert a Bcc: header, > the Bcc: did not appear in outgoing messages. That's no surprise. I should have anticipated this, in fact, but first, to make sure that the plugin does something that it should, could you try inserting instead a made-up header, e.g. "X-Testing: ignore" and then send a message to yourself? Does the message get delivered back to you with that header included, or not? (it might require the "Blah blah" button to see it). By the way, does your _outgoing_ message display the inserted header at all? (it doesn't in the Windows versions, where "extra headers" are not visible to the sender, but only to recipients). Now, to see whether anyone else can do what you can't, would anyone who has any other kind of "extra headers" function working care to attempt using it to add a "Bcc:" header to themselves, say, and see whether that has any actual effect at all? The Windows versions of Eudora, by the way, also have a built-in "ExtraHeaders" option, which works fine for a made-up "X-Testing: ignore" header, but it does nothing at all in response to an attempt to add a "Bcc: myself@someplace" header. Why not? Because SMTP does not pick up the names of recipients from headers! SMTP servers are instead told to whom to send messages by means of *commands* (specifically RCPT TO), which are all given to the SMTP server first, before even the first header line starts to be transmitted. The header lines of the message to be sent are then lumped together with the message body as one "blob" of continuous data, to which minimal attention is typically paid, because the preliminary *commands* have already told the SMTP server everything it needs to know about delivering the message. For a clear and simple explanation of all this, see: http://db.glug-bom.org/lug-authors/philip/docs/mail-stuff/smtp-intro.html Therefore, unless Eudora were expecting someone to try to sneak in an "extra" _addressee_ header like "Bcc," which it already provides anyway, an "extra headers" function will not succeed in making Eudora issue additional preliminary "RCPT TO" commands to the SMTP server, before transmitting the "data part" (headers+body) of the message, hence the attempt fails. So, this might actually have been the plugin you remembered existing, but I'm sorry that it may be unable to do the thing you wanted it for :( -- > >> "Personality Headers plug-in" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > e.g. "X-Testing: ignore" > and then send a message to yourself? Yes, it does do that. > By the way, does your _outgoing_ message > display the inserted header at all? > (it doesn't in the Windows versions, > where "extra headers" are not visible to the sender, > but only to recipients). No. > Because SMTP does not pick up the names of recipients from headers! Of course, I should have realised this. I guess this might be another suggestion for Odysseus! Cheers David > Having recently had a disk crash, and lost amongst other things, > all my outgoing e-mails for several weeks, I feel the need > to make sure my outgoing e-mails are saved somewhere else. > > I'm thinking of getting a gmail account, > and BCCing all my outgoing messages to there. I do exactly that, and use the method below for "Bcc" > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed > extra headers to be included in every outgoing message. Since "Bcc" is not an "extra" header, but a built-in header, can it not simply be included in "Default Stationery," specified either in "To use a particular stationery file for all of your outgoing messages" (6.2.4 manual, page 81) or in "Personality Extras settings" (pages 372-376)? -- > > I recall having seen a plugin for Eudora that allowed > > extra headers to be included in every outgoing message. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for all of your outgoing messages" (6.2.4 manual, page 81) > or in "Personality Extras settings" (pages 372-376)? Maybe this is a Windows feature - I cannot find any reference to default stationery in Mac Eudora. Don't really feel like going through all my personalities setting up individual stationery for each one. Thanks for the suggestion. David On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:52:04 -0600: >> "To use a particular stationery file >> for all of your outgoing messages" (6.2.4 manual, page 81) >> or in "Personality Extras settings" (pages 372-376) > Maybe this is a Windows feature - I cannot find any reference > to default stationery in Mac Eudora. Are the above manual pages incorrect? http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/mac/6.2.4/Eudora_6.2.4_Mac_User_Guide.pdf -- > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:52:04 -0600: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/mac/6.2.4/Eudora_6.2.4_Mac_User_Guide.pd > f I don't know about that user guide, but I know what's in my copy of Eudora 6.2.4 in Mac OS X, with Esoteric Settings. In Settings, select the Personality Extras. In the lower section of those settings is "More Sending Mail" where it's possible to choose a stationery (which must already have been created) to use with the Personality selected at the top. SignatureSteve W. Jackson Montgomery, Alabama > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:52:04 -0600: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/mac/6.2.4/Eudora_6.2.4_Mac_User_Guide.pd > f No, not incorrect, but need interpretation. They describe how to set default stationery for a personality. It is not the same as having a global stationery. When you save stationery, it saves everything as fixed items. So, for example, the signature text gets saved in the stationery as it is at the time you make the stationery. If you later change the signature, that will not appear in your messages. For the same reason, you cannot use the same stationery for multiple personalities, as it will have hard-coded the signature from the personality you created it with. Now you could look at this two ways. Maybe the specified signature for the personality should override what is in the stationery. OTOH, I sometimes have multiple personalities for the same e-mail account, and want different signatures for each. If it were possible to change the global template, so that any personality-specific items were included, this would be the way to add the BCC header. Thanks for your suggestions. David |
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