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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / June 2007Eudora on OS X
Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X application? By that I mean can each user have their own incarnation of Eudora, their own mailboxes, their own settings, their own filters, etc.? Or do all mailboxes have to be in some common area, visible to all, sharing common filters, etc.? When I first activated OS X on my G4 I got Eudora going in the latter setup, which was o. k. because that's what we were used to. Recently, I've hosed things up by trying to switch to the former. If the answer to my first question is yes, I'll supply more details. Charlie > Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X > application? By that I mean can each user have their own > incarnation of Eudora, their own mailboxes, their own > settings, their own filters, etc.? Or do all mailboxes > have to be in some common area, visible to all, sharing > common filters, etc.? Given that each user has a separate account then there won't be any mix-up. The only thing they share is the application itself, but their Eudora Folder that holds the mail, filters, settings etc. reside in the individual user's home.  SignatureCheers Martin > Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X > application? By that I mean can each user have their own > incarnation of Eudora, their own mailboxes, their own > settings, their own filters, etc.? Yes, my wife and I do this. > Or do all mailboxes > have to be in some common area, visible to all, sharing > common filters, etc.? No. > Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X > application? By that I mean can each user have their own > incarnation of Eudora, their own mailboxes, their own > settings, their own filters, etc.? Why, yes. In fact, long before OS X, and after Apple started getting used to people with "users" and user folders, Eudora put its stuff in the user's folder. Regardless, Eudora under OS X does put its user-based stuff right in user's home folder. > > Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X > > application? By that I mean can each user have their own [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Regardless, Eudora under OS X does put its user-based stuff right in > user's home folder. Or wherever else you feel like putting it. > Is Eudora 6.2.4 supposed to perform like a true OS X > application? By that I mean can each user have their own > incarnation of Eudora, their own mailboxes, their own > settings, their own filters, etc.? Or do all mailboxes > have to be in some common area, visible to all, sharing > common filters, etc.? All Eudora data and settings are specific to the user and stored in ~/Documents/Eudora Folder. Not quite perfect, since settings should conceptually be in ~/Library/Preferences and app-managed data like mailboxes also under ~/Library (e.g. > When I first activated OS X on my G4 I got Eudora > going in the latter setup, which was o. k. because that's > what we were used to. I'm startled by that. I have no idea how you managed to do it, unless you were running an ancient version of Eudora under the "Classic" environment. > Recently, I've hosed things up by > trying to switch to the former. If the answer to my > first question is yes, I'll supply more details. The issues Eudora has with MacOS modernity are rooted in the fact that it remains a "Carbon" rather than "Cocoa" application, and so cannot work well with things like Automator, and it also is a PowerPC-only application so modern Intel Macs have to run it via Rosetta (which is invisible, but still conceptually annoying) SignatureNow where did I hide that website... > All Eudora data and settings are specific to the user and stored in > ~/Documents/Eudora Folder. Not quite perfect, since settings should > conceptually be in ~/Library/Preferences and app-managed data like > mailboxes also under ~/Library (e.g. But the concept is bad, and Eudora's execution is good. Eudora gives you a portable folder. Pick it up, plop it down somewhere else--voila, your Eudora life, all neatly wrapped up. > > All Eudora data and settings are specific to the user and stored in > > ~/Documents/Eudora Folder. Not quite perfect, since settings should [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you a portable folder. Pick it up, plop it down somewhere else--voila, > your Eudora life, all neatly wrapped up. And here I didn't even finish the thought... ( I meant to point out ~/Library/Mail and ~/Library/Thunderbird) The self-contained aspect is nice, but the MacOS X model has its own advantages in providing a predictable set of locations, names, and even formats. In principle that encourages a more open environment for other apps (and the user) to find and work with other apps preferences. Oh, and Eudora does have some things in ~/Library/Preferences, but nothing you'd really miss: just AppleNavServices state. SignatureNow where did I hide that website... > The self-contained aspect is nice, but the MacOS X model has its own > advantages in providing a predictable set of locations, names, and even > formats. In principle that encourages a more open environment for other > apps (and the user) to find and work with other apps preferences. So let Eudora leave a pointer there. Maybe Apple's model is flawed, for exactly the reasons I've outlined. > > > All Eudora data and settings are specific to the user and stored in > > > ~/Documents/Eudora Folder. Not quite perfect, since settings should [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > formats. In principle that encourages a more open environment for other > apps (and the user) to find and work with other apps preferences. The file system belongs to me, not the OS. So, I'll decide where to put things. The machine can adapt to me, not the other way around. That's why we use Macs. > > The self-contained aspect is nice, but the MacOS X model has its own > > advantages in providing a predictable set of locations, names, and even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things. The machine can adapt to me, not the other way around. That's > why we use Macs. Hear hear. For way, WAY too long now--ever since OS X--I've heard the apologists talk about doing it "Apple's way". Time was, Apple spent lots of money making the machine do what the user wants. Apple abandoned that when Steve Jobs came back, and now my beloved Apple operating system is, overall, no better (although no worse) than Windows. Yeah, yeah--you can always point to certain items that are better. But that goes both ways. As I said, "overall". Guy Kawasaki outlined the old Apple very well in his book, "The Macintosh Way". It should be required reading for anyone who wants to argue this point. But the sheeple will stick their heads in the sand and argue out of ignorance, so nothing can be done. > But the sheeple will stick their heads in the sand and argue out of > ignorance, so nothing can be done. It's not ignorance. If you really want to do it your way, of course you can- or at least mostly so, although as with the original Mac system, prefs still have to be in prefs and CPs in CPs, although they aren't called by those names any more. But if you want simple, automatic installations and updates, the Apple way is by far the simplest. I used the classic OS for years, now use OS10, and the new setup is by far the better of the two. SignaturePeter > > But the sheeple will stick their heads in the sand and argue out of > > ignorance, so nothing can be done. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the Apple way is by far the simplest. I used the classic OS for years, > now use OS10, and the new setup is by far the better of the two. As long as it works wherever I put the app - which is not the case for Pages and Keynote. They seem to have to be directly in the Applications folder. > > > The self-contained aspect is nice, but the MacOS X model has its own > > > advantages in providing a predictable set of locations, names, and even [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But the sheeple will stick their heads in the sand and argue out of > ignorance, so nothing can be done. Apple has *always* had optional human interface guidelines for where applications should put things and behave. Those guidelines exist so that users should not need to figure out a dozen different ways that a dozen different applications behave. Cmd-V is "paste" everywhere NOT because Apple has coded it that way in the OS, but because for 24 years they've told application developers to make that so. Under System 8 the settings files for nearly all apps landed in /System Folder/Preferences NOT because of some magic in the system and NOT because users chose to put them there, but because Apple told developers that was the right place. Arguing against the existence of that sort of guideline as not the "Macintosh Way" ignores the real history of Apple having such rules as a critical part of the Mac environment for as long as there have been Macs. People can reasonably disagree with the details of the guidelines for OSX, but suggesting that there should be none ignores the role such guidelines have played in tilting the balance of power on the Mac more towards users and away from random application developers making random choices. (Hint: about 20 years ago you could get Guy to rant spectacularly on this exact issue by asking the right questions.) SignatureNow where did I hide that website... > Apple has *always* had optional human interface guidelines for where > applications should put things and behave. Those guidelines exist so [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > towards users and away from random application developers making random > choices. In that other, Microsoft world, MS wields an authority over similar matters by not "certifying" any software (and even hardware) which doesn't follow its "suggestions"; corporate sales often depend on getting that "certification," so any products intended for the corporate market have to tow the line, or else suffer the consequences. All the same, only the *default* location of a user's Eudora data folder is thus dictated; the user, at installation time (or any time thereafter) remains perfectly free to put it anywhere else instead, which I always do myself. The program files can also be put wherever desired, as it happens, so in the end, the user can do whatever (s)he wants, although the vendor can not :) -- [...] > have to tow the line,[...] I'm gonna pick a nit. Why? 'Cuz I'm friggin' tired of people who don't pay attention to spelling. Which does matter, especially when it comes to homonyms. (And don't give me no grief about my punctuation - it's deliberate. As is my use of non-schoolmarm English.) It's TOE the line, as in bring your toes up against a line. As in bowling. As in lining up on the parade ground. IOW, conform to some external mark or rule. If you're gonna TOW the line, where you gonna tow it to? HTH SignatureWolf "Don't believe everything you think." (Maxine) Wolf! Wolf! Ouch, I stubbed my TOE! (you're right) Curb your cussin' and your grammar, and we're even :) -- > Wolf! Wolf! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- LOL. SignatureWolf "Don't believe everything you think." (Maxine) > Ouch, I stubbed my TOE! (you're right) So it's now a mute point? :):):):):):):) And, in case anyone missed it: :):) Their will be a quiz later. People can submit they're favorite homonym misuse pet peeves for extra credit. If we can reign themselves in, the rest of us can cheer, "Here here!!" at you're favorites. :) SignatureJulian Y. Koh <mailto:kohster@northwestern.edu> Network Engineer <phone:847-467-5780> Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University PGP Public Key:<http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html> Secure in the knowledge that what I wanted to do was possible, I did it. I'm now convinced that the problems I saw were caused by messed up file permissions. Had I re alized that, I might have done things differently. I'll describe what I did do, in case someone else needs to do the same thing. I started by making copies of the single, unified, Eudora folder, in each user's Documents folder. (There are only three of us.) Then I logged on as each user. First I changed the file permissions, making the user the owner of all files and giving him read/write access. I also gave read/write access to the admin group, which we all are members of. Then I deleted all of the mail that didn't belong to that user. In the unified Eudora folder, each user had his own subfolder of Eudora's Mail Folder. So I moved all of the mail and table of contents files for the user being worked on up one level into his Mail Folder and deleted his personal subfolder. Warning: When deleting the mail this way, you can't simply delete an unwanted mailbox with stuff still in it. Eudora, with its clumsy handling of attachments, doesn't delete the attachments associated with mail in the mailbox being deleted. Other things to clean up are filters and address books, but that's straightforward. Charlie SignatureFor an email response, insert "0824" between the 'c' and 's'. After doing all of this copying, moving, and delet- ing, something curious has arisen, At least one mailbox--the In mailbox to be specific-- has lost track of its attachments. By that I mean that the attachment symbol doesn't appear on the message's line in the mailbox window. For some of these messages, the attachment is still there and displayed properly at the bottom of the message. For others, the "Attachment con- verted" line shows up as just some text of the message. (I'm not displaying the message expanded.) Anybody have any ideas? Charlie I <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote: >... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >... SignatureFor an email response, insert "0824" between the 'c' and 's'. |
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