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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / May 2007Receiving email messages twice from Mail.
Two of my contacts use Mail on their Mac OS 10.3.x machines and I use Eudora. Why do I receive all their email twice? > Two of my contacts use Mail on their Mac OS 10.3.x machines and I use > Eudora. > > Why do I receive all their email twice? Do you mean that you receive two messages for every one message that they send? Or do you mean, within one message, the content of the message is repeated? I have seen the latter problem, but not the former. And would also like to know wtf is going on. Roberta  SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com There are two separate messages. > There are two separate messages. Seems as though that is more likely to be the sender (the ISP, business, school, whatever) than Mail itself. [Note: in your postings, you should quote relevant portions of the original message to give some context]. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > [Note: in your postings, you should quote relevant portions of the > original message to give some context]. The OP is using the appalling, broken Google Groups, with its misleading and crappy GUI (am I somehow giving the impression that I might not like it?), which is why he is getting it wrong. The solution is never, ever to use Google Groups to reply to news postings. SignaturePeter > The solution is never, ever to use Google Groups to reply to news postings. Prior content (like the above) was automatically quoted properly in this reply. While NNTP news servers may well have better features, not everyone is set up to use them. It does seem very unfortunate, however, that "Preview post" seems to have disappeared from the Google interface (at least as I am just now using it), so I can only guess that it will look okay when actually posted :( -[ ]- > > The solution is never, ever to use Google Groups to reply to news postings. > While NNTP news servers may well have better features, > not everyone is set up to use them. Why would this be? There are free usenet feeds and free software to read news. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> While NNTP news servers may well have better features, >> not everyone is set up to use them. > Why would this be? > There are free usenet feeds and free software to read news. o It takes more work (and knowledge) on the part of the user. o It's less portable, generally locked into one computer. o Except for Google, freebies I've tried haven't been "industrial strength," or have had limitations, or insert ads (even my ISP's outsourced NNTP inserts ads, so I guess that was part of a deal to attract ISPs). I use NNTP with Opera because I'm very fluent with this stuff, but I can understand the appeal of using Google, which also gives users stupendous search of unlimited archives at the same time, integrates with ever increasing other stuff (Gmail for example, which to me leaves the others far behind), without having to engage multiple brains at the same time to use everything in one place. "Free University of Berlin" (which Kathy Morgan just mentioned) used to be both free and great, now is inexpensive and still great, so I happily send 10 Euros, even though I could use my upstream ISP's self-hawking service (binaries, "Alt" and all) at no charge. There's just something fine and inspiring about something done in a fine way, for some positive reason that seems to be its own reward, so I continue with it: News server run by Free University of Berlin: http://news.individual.net (for English) or http://news.individual.de (same site in native German) http://news.individual.net/impressum.php [who they are] To add something positive about Google, although it's built on ad revenue, it's so well done (complaints about "AJAX overload" notwithstanding :) also unobtrusive and low key, showing that making tons of money can be done on a much higher level than most aim for. -[ ]- > >> While NNTP news servers may well have better features, > >> not everyone is set up to use them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > o It takes more work (and knowledge) on the part of the user. True enough, but the same can be said of Eudora vs. web mail. But (as I think most of us here would agree, or we wouldn't be here) the effort is well worth it. > o It's less portable, generally locked into one computer. I'm a laptop person, so this is a non-issue for me. But my NNTP service can be accessed from anywhere on the internet and from any computer that has NNTP software. > o Except for Google, freebies I've tried haven't been > "industrial strength," or have had limitations, I guess it depends on what sort of limitations you are talking about. My free service, teranews, does have a 50 MB/day download limit, beyond which you have pay. So, if you're like me, and you are just reading and posting, there is essentially no limit -- the maximum would only affect people who download binaries and such. Beyond that, I can't think of any limitations -- I can post, I can read, all the Usenet groups are available, and the service is reliable (or, as reliable as any other internet-related service with which I am familiar). > or insert ads (even my ISP's outsourced NNTP inserts ads, > so I guess that was part of a deal to attract ISPs). I am not presented with any ads myself. The extent of the ads is, as I noted before, the one line that gets added to the end of each of my news postings. I can't say that I am crazy about it, but I can live with it. It's a good service that I'd like to see continue and so I don't mind telling people about it. (Obviously. This is a good point for me to mention that I have absolutely no connections to these folks). > I use NNTP with Opera because I'm very fluent with this stuff, > but I can understand the appeal of using Google, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > without having to engage multiple brains at the same time > to use everything in one place. I guess I am missing the "integration" piece, but the fact that I am using NNTP software does not, of course, prevent me from *searching* the so-called "Google groups." Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:20:06 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > my NNTP service can be accessed from anywhere on the internet > and from any computer that has NNTP software. Have you ever walked into a library or internet cafe and used it from any old computer there? The problem is that it generally requires personalized setup on that computer (setting up your personal and server info to begin with, using some program which supports NNTP, which isn't always among the ones that some careful public places have pre-arranged), then sometimes a rather long download of the massive number of groups, then subscribing to groups, then waiting for some message downloads, before you can even begin; then you'd want to erase your personalization before you quit, wouldn't you? Sometimes you can manage to succeed using special software on a USB flash stick (if the library hasn't locked down against running programs off user media), but this is still way too much bother for many, even those who might still enjoy Eudora at home. > I guess I am missing the "integration" piece, but the fact that I am > using NNTP software does not, of course, prevent me from *searching* > the so-called "Google groups." Try answering a post found there which has "scrolled off" your NNTP provider -- even to correlate recent posts found via Google with the same on the NNTP system is something which doesn't make most people enjoy the task; in other words, you, who are a very bright and talented professor, may be perfectly capable and comfortable zooming around on a unicycle (as is exactly one of our students), but it isn't for everyone :) -- > On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:20:06 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Have you ever walked into a library or internet cafe > and used it from any old computer there? Umm... no. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love you guys, but I'm not that desperate to read usenet news. I'll just wait until I'm with my laptop and able to connect to the internet. Indeed, it is only in the most desperate of circumstances that I will log on to check my email in a library or cafe -- I detest web interfaces that much. (And then, if I do log in and need to reply, I don't have the message in my "out" box, so I have to "bcc" myself, but it's not a proper "out" message -- so, my use of computers other than my own trusty laptop is limited). > The problem is that it generally requires personalized setup > on that computer (setting up your personal and server info to begin with, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > before you can even begin; then you'd want to erase your personalization > before you quit, wouldn't you? True enough -- this is going to be a pain from a public computer, and probably not worth the effort. > Sometimes you can manage to succeed using special software > on a USB flash stick (if the library hasn't locked down > against running programs off user media), > but this is still way too much bother for many, > even those who might still enjoy Eudora at home. Well, not so much bother, though, for someone who is so desperate to read news that it can't wait until later? Well worth the effort to set up, I would think. > > I guess I am missing the "integration" piece, but the fact that I am > > using NNTP software does not, of course, prevent me from *searching* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > found via Google with the same on the NNTP system is something > which doesn't make most people enjoy the task; If the post was that old, I'd just email the person directly. Of course, that doesn't work if the person hasn't provided any way to do that. :) :) Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Prior content (like the above) was automatically quoted properly in > this reply. Yes, but unless they have changed things recently (and it doesn't appear that they have, from the G2 posts I see, to do that you have to avoid the 'reply' button. This is a totally stupid and counterintuitive feature of the Google Groups interface. As I said, broken. SignaturePeter >> Prior content (like the above) >> was automatically quoted properly in this reply. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the 'reply' button. This is a totally stupid and counterintuitive > feature of the Google Groups interface. As I said, broken. I used "reply"; perhaps it's the browser and the "AJAX" not working? Back to Eudora, anyway :) -[ ]- > I used "reply"; perhaps it's the browser and the "AJAX" not working? Nope. It's the Google interface that's totally broken. > Back to Eudora, anyway :) Sensible. SignaturePeter [Friend sends 1 message using Mail and Aus receives 2 copies in Eudora] > There are two separate messages. It may be a setting in your Eudora. I can't remember exactly what it was I did to screw up my Eudora one time, but I ended up getting two copies of all messages to one of my email addresses. It seems to me that I had accidentally set two different personalities both to check mail for the same account, and I set up all my personalities to leave mail on the server so that I can later check from a different machine and have all the messages on both Macs. Since the messages weren't deleted from the server by the first personality to check, the second downloaded a second copy of the messages. SignatureKathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> > Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or > similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the > content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> > Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> Until now, I've used MT-Newswatcher and our university feed to UseNet. Where can I find a free feed when I leave at the end of the year? Google's advantage is that I can use from any internet cafe, worldwide. > > Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or > > similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Where can I find a free feed when I leave at the end of the year? > Google's advantage is that I can use from any internet cafe, worldwide. The service I use, teranews (which posts a little ad at the end of each of my messages -- sorry about that, but at least it's small) has a one-time fee of $3.95, and then is free forever after. I've been very happy with it. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Kathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or > > similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Where can I find a free feed when I leave at the end of the year? > Google's advantage is that I can use from any internet cafe, worldwide. I believe there are a number of free feeds, but some are not too reliable and some do not include posting privileges. Individual.Net is no longer free, but it is reliable and inexpensive. It costs 10 Euro per year, which is approximately $13.62 US. With an Individual.Net account you can read and post with MT-Newswatcher from anyplace. Not affiliated, yada, yada, yada, but I do have an account with them and have been very satisfied with the service. I believe they carry any text groups requested by customers and all groups in the Big 8, but no binaries. SignatureKathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> > [Friend sends 1 message using Mail and Aus receives 2 copies in Eudora] > > There are two separate messages. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > messages weren't deleted from the server by the first personality to > check, the second downloaded a second copy of the messages. Correct that's it, when you have different personalities and you leave your messages on the server you get them double or triple... Theo SignatureFrom the heather in the Nord of Belgium On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:18:37 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: >> Why do I receive all their email twice? > Do you mean that you receive two messages for every one message that > they send? Or do you mean, within one message, the content of the > message is repeated? I have seen the latter problem, but not the > former. And would also like to know what is going on. Could it be that "multipart/alternative" (the proper way of sending plain text plus html) is incorrectly sending (or interpreting) "alternative" (thus showing both)? If you "leave mail on server" and receive something like that, you might then be able to inspect the original and find out. -[ ]- > Could it be that "multipart/alternative" > (the proper way of sending plain text plus html) > is incorrectly sending (or interpreting) "alternative" > (thus showing both)? John, Please explain. Where do I find the "multipart/alternative" settings in Mail and Eudora. I've also checked my Eudora personalities. I'm not checking the same account twice. Another observtion: I don't always receive the message twice. > > Could it be that "multipart/alternative" > > (the proper way of sending plain text plus html) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Another observtion: I don't always receive the message twice. In that case, I would suspect the problem is either with Mail or his mail server. Check the message ID's on the duplicates. If they are the same, then Eudora has downloaded the message twice. If they are different, the message was sent twice. If you don't immediately see the MID's, click on the Blah-blah-blah button to show all headers. SignatureKathy - help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > In that case, I would suspect the problem is either with Mail or his > mail server. Check the message ID's on the duplicates. If they are the > same, then Eudora has downloaded the message twice. BTW, that could possibly due to server errors, but more likely I suspect from perhaps a corrupted Settings file. You can rebuild the Settings by holding down all the modifier keys (command-option-shift-control) while you select Settings from the Special menu. This will retain your server info, but most of your other customizations will be lost. Before rebuilding the Settings, put a copy somewhere outside the Eudora Folder so you can easily get it back if it turns out the problem is not solved by rebuilding the Settings. You can make it a little easier to restore your customizations if you have Eudora create a list of them for you before you rebuild the Settings. Do this by opening a new message composition window and then choose "Insert system configuration" from the Help menu. > If they are > different, the message was sent twice. Again, that could be either Mail or the SMTP server. SignatureKathy - help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:50:15 -0500: >> Could it be that "multipart/alternative" >> (the proper way of sending plain text plus html) >> is incorrectly sending (or interpreting) "alternative" >> (thus showing both)? > Please explain. Where do I find the "multipart/alternative" > settings in Mail and Eudora. Not settings, but how a message is supposed to be structured so that when both plain text and HTML are sent, only one is viewed; all mail clients are supposed to follow the standard rules, but if they go awry, one message might seem to contain repeated content (within the same message, however, not as independently downloaded messages). > I've also checked my Eudora personalities. > I'm not checking the same account twice. > Another observation: I don't always receive the message twice. My comment wouldn't have applied anyway to receiving an entire message repeatedly, rather than to just seeing the same content twice in a given message. Have you performed any "download headers only" or partial downloads? (or used a size limit, then clicked a "retrieve from server" button after having seen a note that there was more on the server?) Every such normal re-fetch creates a new mailbox entry for a new copy of the same message (and a new pitfall when options to delete other things when emptying trash start to apply to necessary deletions of previous partial downloads, even though a repeat copy of the same message is also still being saved and not discarded at all). Server-side goofs could also be at fault; for example, one of our POP server software updates changed all the local "unique message IDs" (different from "Message ID" in header), and people who had left mail on the server for eons got quite a surprise when it all downloaded again :( By the way, we have had some ISPs go "trigger happy" and re-transmit messages to us from their SMTP servers, sometimes up to hundreds of times! Even when the "Message-ID" remains constant, the POP server gives a new "unique [local] ID" to each re-transmission, hence not only does our server fill up with the multiple copies, but so do email clients end up downloading each copy separately. In our case, it has probably been due to distributed causes over several networks (our mail goes thru an outsourced spam/virus filterer who then relays in real time to us), and apparently some SMTP operators set so low a timeout that they "hang up" before they hear our "OK I got the whole thing" acknowledgement relayed back, so they then re-transmit later. This is not likely to relate directly to your issue, but it just indicates that there can be "many a slip twixt the cup and the lip," anywhere from within Eudora itself to the sender's end -- but it's always a relief when there's actually something in Eudora that you can do which fixes it, instead of something elsewhere, which no one can do anything about, or may not even be able to find out. -[ ]- > On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:18:37 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > If you "leave mail on server" and receive something like that, > you might then be able to inspect the original and find out. I suspect that my problem (if not the OP's problem) is something like this. How would I know if it was being sent incorrectly? I don't know what the two parts are supposed to look like. Also, unfortunately, if I leave my email on the server, then I'm looking at the email through a web interface. That probably won't let me see what I need to see. In other words, I like your suggestion, but I'm at a loss as to how to implement it. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com JHM wrote: > If you "leave mail on server" and receive something like that, > you might then be able to inspect the original and find out. On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:47:54 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > unfortunately, if I leave my email on the server, > then I'm looking at the email through a web interface > which probably won't let me see what I need to see.. > how to implement it? One way might be to have your local network admin (or ISP) forward copies of all your mail to a Gmail account (one can now have these for the asking at a normal web registration, just like Yahoo and Hotmail), then you can view the forwarded messages (even with original MIME-encoded, unintelligible attachments, if any), exactly as they sit on any POP server, using Gmail's profoundly useful "Show original" link. And speaking of Gmail and POP server in the same breath, I've had all my own mail transferred to use pop.gmail.com as my Eudora POP server, instead of using my local network's own POP server; that is, I've persuaded my network administrator (who happens to be me) to just forward all my incoming mail to a Gmail account, instead of letting it sit on the local POP server. Then I re-directed Eudora to look for my POP mail at pop.gmail.com instead of locally, and ever since then I've been getting my incoming mail exactly the same way (through Eudora) as before, except that it's all also accessible by visiting Gmail on the web, from any other computer, which is much nicer than using anyone else's "webmail interface" that can only peek into uncollected new mail, and can't "show original," etc. Advantages which accrue from this include the ability to see all "raw" messages exactly as originally sent, plus 2.8_GB (currently) of free off-site backup; Gmail's ability to search one's own mail is also as good as can be had by any means on Earth, plus one can send from Gmail saying "me@my.domain" (after a simple confirmation), so it's just like having a traveling computer always available over the internet, using any other handy computer to access it at any time, from anywhere (I call it "GoToMyEmail," but no one wants to buy that wonderful potential trademark from me :) There is of course a small delay in being able to get my mail -- just about three seconds is what it usually takes to be able to download back again a message that I send myself locally (comparing that to either Hotmail or our local telephone company's awful internet service, it's like "faster than light," and might as well be called "Instant Messaging" :) Outgoing mail can continue to be sent using whatever local SMTP server Eudora remains pointed at, or one also has the option of using Gmail's SMTP server (local is faster to unload things into, however, so I don't see why people bother pointing SMTP of non-mobile computers to Gmail just because POP may be pointed there, since the nearest corner mail drop box is always handier than one located far away). If I want to back up my outgoing messages at Gmail, I just "Bcc:" to myself (this is in fact already specified in my default Eudora stationery, so I don't even need to give it a thought). Does any of this sound interesting? -[ ]- > JHM wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > which probably won't let me see what I need to see.. > > how to implement it? [very useful explanation of how one might use Gmail and Eudora deleted] > Outgoing mail can continue to be sent using whatever > local SMTP server Eudora remains pointed at, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > may be pointed there, since the nearest corner > mail drop box is always handier than one located far away). Perhaps because some ISPs will only all you to use their SMTP if you have passed the password check for POP? > Does any of this sound interesting? It helps me with my original question of how I can view the raw email, so thank you. I'm still not sure, however, as to what I am looking for. Eudora gives us the option of sending styled text, plain text, or both. If I select "both," the idea is that the email software on the other end should display the styled if it can; if it can't, or if the user has an option to ignore styled text, it should display the plain text. Presumably, Apple Mail is trying to do something similar -- however, on my end, as a Eudora recipient, I am seeing both plain text and styled text (the content is repeated twice within the same message). I don't know if that is because Mail is sending something funny or if Eudora is incorrectly displaying what is being sent. And I since I don't know how these "both styled and plain text" emails are supposed to be formatted, I don't know what to look for. Any assistance appreciated. In the long run, though, I don't think I have a need for Gmail. I can see why it is useful for you, but my laptop is never too far away, I backup my email (indeed, my whole harddrive) myself, and I don't want Google to be able to correlate my search habits with the content of my email. So, for now, I think I'll just keep popping and deleting off the servers. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I had said: > I don't see why people bother pointing SMTP > of non-mobile computers to Gmail just because POP > may be pointed there, since the nearest corner > mail drop box is always handier than one located far away. On Tue, 01 May 2007 17:28:46 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > Perhaps because some ISPs will only all you to use their SMTP > if you have passed the password check for POP? No ISP (including us) in this locale does, but even if any still uses that outmoded method, it's still no problem at all: With most any email client (Eudora included, of course), one can add one's ISP mailbox (of which you can always have at least one, from any normal ISP) to the list of mailboxes to be checked, even if one knows that one's ISP mailbox will be empty (perhaps because it's all being forwarded to Gmail, as is mine). All that such an old-fashioned ISP needs is that you *check*for* mail, not that you have received any :) > Eudora gives us the option of sending styled text, plain text, or both. > If I select "both," the idea is that the email software on the other end [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > these "both styled and plain text" emails are supposed to be formatted, > I don't know what to look for. A sample which I just composed, sent to myself, then chose "show original" at Gmail: Subject: Test multipart alternative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_177428438==.ALT" --=====================_177428438==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello --=====================_177428438==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> <font color="#C0C0C0">Hello<br> </font></body> </html> --=====================_177428438==.ALT-- [End of message] Informal explanation of multipart/alternative format: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Alternative Formal specs for multipart/alternative format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2046#section-5.1.4 When my Eudora receives it, I see only this (with "Blah..."): Subject: Test multipart alternative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_177428438==.ALT" Hello [colored as requested] [End of message] > In the long run, though, I don't think I have a need for Gmail. Why, just like registering domain names -- to reserve the name you want, before ten other people ask for it :) If you don't want even to use it for viewing originals of forwarded copies (forwarding a copy does not preclude also storing the original at the ISP as usual), there are other ways to view your original server messages; if your POP server permits plaintext login and if you have a telnet client on your computer, then you can talk to your POP server directly, and simply type the same plain language commands used by any email client: http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1792hq.html http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/pop.html BTW, the command "TOP nn 0" will display all headers of current message #nn But if you want a much easier way (and trust the provider below), you can use http://mail2web.com on your POP account; when you read any individual message, they have a "view source" option at the top (which gives the same exact detail as above), as well as a button lower down which can select *either* "View as text" or "View as HTML" If your own ISP has as good a "webmail" application, then of course you could just as well use theirs. > I don't want Google to be able to correlate my search habits > with the content of my email. Neither POP retrievals nor searches done while not also logged into Gmail seem to provide means of doing that. Where did you find gandi.net? "Services included: 1 mailbox (Coming Soon)" ? -- > I had said: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > but even if any still uses that outmoded method, > it's still no problem at all: I am pretty sure that mine still does. > With most any email client (Eudora included, of course), > one can add one's ISP mailbox [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > All that such an old-fashioned ISP needs is that you > *check*for* mail, not that you have received any :) Ha! Good point. Don't know why I didn't think of that. :) [very good explanation of how to determine multipart email deleted]. Thank you, thank you!! You've given me enough info to debug my problem. > > In the long run, though, I don't think I have a need for Gmail. > > Why, just like registering domain names -- to reserve > the name you want, before ten other people ask for it :) Heh. Well, I didn't say that I didn't *have* a gmail account, only that I didn't use it. :) But now I have an (albeit temporary) use for it. > If you don't want even to use it for viewing originals > of forwarded copies (forwarding a copy does not preclude [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1792hq.html > http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/pop.html I wish -- no such luck. > If your own ISP has as good a "webmail" application, > then of course you could just as well use theirs. Nah, just a crappy one. > > I don't want Google to be able to correlate my search habits > > with the content of my email. > > Neither POP retrievals nor searches done while not also logged into Gmail > seem to provide means of doing that. Right. The problem would only arise if you used the web mail for gmail, because I certainly wouldn't want to have to log out every time that I wanted to do a google search. > Where did you find gandi.net? My partner and I have been using them for about 7 years. At that time, there were a number of lawsuits flying around pertaining to the ownership of domains. My partner read an article that rated various domain registrations services on their legal agreements. Gandi.net's came out on top, saying very explicitly that YOU own YOUR domain (not gandi.net, and not anyone else). We've been very happy with them. They're not an outfit for people who need a lot of handholding, and sometimes the English translations are a little wonky, but the service is rock solid. > "Services included: 1 mailbox (Coming Soon)" ? Don't know anything about that, but it never hurts to have another mailbox at ones disposal. :) Thanks again for all of your help -- I really appreciate it. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I wrote: > Neither POP retrievals nor searches done while > not also logged into Gmail seem to provide means of > [correlating one's search habits with content of email] On Sun, 06 May 2007 00:30:44 -0500, Roberta Millstein wrote: > The problem would only arise if you used the web mail for gmail, > because I certainly wouldn't want to have to log out > every time that I wanted to do a google search. There are times that I need to open two different Gmail accounts at once; this normally can't be done with one web browser, because of the unique login cookie, so I open *two* web browsers (Opera and Firefox), and since neither of these can see the other's cookies, nor share anything else, this keeps a "chinese wall" between them -- this same strategy can be used if you want to keep Gmail and Google searches from knowing anything about each other; just use a different brand of browser for each (not a new window of the same browser, which still shares cookies, etc.) -- |
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