A couple of people have told me that when I send a message with an attachment,
the message arrives but the attachment doesn't.
They are both using Outlook Express, I believe, In one case, there is a yellow
bar across the top, but the person could not remember what it said. In the
other case, there was nothing unusual, but there was no indication on the
message of any attachment.
Both are using Avast anti-virus.
Can anyone suggest what is happening?
(I am using Eudora 6.2.4 on OS X 10.4.)
Thanks
David
Wolf - 23 Apr 2007 14:26 GMT
> A couple of people have told me that when I send a message with an attachment,
> the message arrives but the attachment doesn't.
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>
> David
Without further data, all that can be offered are guesses. Here are a few.
One possibility is that their anti-virus is stripping out the attachment
by default. It may just not like whatever header data Eudora puts onto
the attachments. You could ask your friend to set the security one level
lower, and see what happens. Too high a security setting often blocks
perfectly safe stuff.
Would this mean that your attachments include viruses? Possible, but
unlikely. Do you have AV software that checks outgoing mail as well as
incoming files? If not, it's worth getting. Even Macs can be turned into
zombies.
Note too that there are two methods of attaching files: "in-line" and
"external." Generally speaking, external attachments are more likely to
get through, because of the way that different e-mail clients handle
in-line attachments.
You could also ask your friends what version of Windows they are using.
Windows 200/XP/Vista should have no problems with attachments. Older
versions (95/98/ME) often do.

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John H Meyers - 23 Apr 2007 15:39 GMT
> A couple of people have told me
> that when I send a message with an attachment,
> the message arrives but the attachment doesn't.
Do you receive the attachment yourself,
when you include any email address(es) of your own
in "Bcc:"?
Gmail is quite good at sniffing for unusual content,
and also allows you to see the original complete message
in uninterpreted format, which can be useful
to find out with complete clarity and certainty
what is actually being sent, and whether
any attachments are actually present.
Similarly, you can send or forward mail (with attachments)
using Gmail, to compare whether your local computer or ISP
could possibly have anything to do with the issue.
BTW, how large is the attachment?
(limitations exist along some delivery paths)
What sort of file name does it have?
(Windows tends to think that file names
relate to content types; certain names
might also not be acceptable).
What sort of encoding is being used
when sending attachments?
> They are both using Outlook Express, I believe,
> In one case, there is a yellow bar across the top,
> but the person could not remember what it said.
Perhaps it is a security warning that tells them
that they must click on something or change a setting
to be able to receive certain attachments at all.
Ignoring the "yellow security bar" is like Bob Newhart's
classic "Driving Instructor" routine:
The light blinded you?
The red light blinded you?
The flashing red light blinded you?
Oh, the flashing red light on the car you hit blinded you!
http://www.wepsite.de/driving_instructor.htm
> In the other case, there was nothing unusual,
> but there was no indication on the message of any attachment.
"She couldn't see the yellow line that low on the ground, Officer" :)
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John H Meyers - 23 Apr 2007 15:50 GMT
> They are both using Outlook Express, I believe,
> In one case, there is a yellow bar across the top...
Send them these links:
http://www.comentum.com/stop-viruses.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291387
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/329570
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Anders Eklöf - 23 Apr 2007 21:08 GMT
> A couple of people have told me that when I send a message with an attachment,
> the message arrives but the attachment doesn't.
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> other case, there was nothing unusual, but there was no indication on the
> message of any attachment.
Check if they are not using Microsoft Outlook (not Express).
There is a well-known bug in Outlook 2002 which is part of Office XP:
http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2453hq.html
http://filer.case.edu/~wrv/eudoraoutlookfix.html
Note that though these pages are for Mac Eudora users, the problem is
neither Mac specific *or* Eudora specific. It's a bug in Outlook 2002 .

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Martin S. - 23 Apr 2007 21:36 GMT
David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> A couple of people have told me that when I send a message with an attachment,
> the message arrives but the attachment doesn't.
Another thing to watch out for is what encoding Eudora is using for
attachments.
I had mine set to BinHex and had quite a few complaints from Win users.
Changing that to Apple-Double fixed it. You can set that in the
message's toolbar, 3rd icon from the left, upper left corner.

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Peter Ceresole - 23 Apr 2007 22:46 GMT
> I had mine set to BinHex and had quite a few complaints from Win users.
> Changing that to Apple-Double fixed it. You can set that in the
> message's toolbar, 3rd icon from the left, upper left corner.
I think the best is to set it permanently, rather than message by
message, in the Settings:Sending Attachments:Encoding method: check the
radio button for AppleDouble.
It works for just about everything, so there's no reason to use another
setting.

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Martin S. - 23 Apr 2007 23:42 GMT
> I think the best is to set it permanently, rather than message by
> message, in the Settings:Sending Attachments:Encoding method: check the
> radio button for AppleDouble.
Thanks Peter, that's correct. I had completely forgotten that the
toolbar button only changes it for an individual message; settings is
the proper way to adjust this.

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Cheers Martin
David Morrison - 24 Apr 2007 13:23 GMT
Thanks for all the suggestions.
To respond to some of them:
> One possibility is that their anti-virus is stripping out the attachment
> by default. It may just not like whatever header data Eudora puts onto
> the attachments. You could ask your friend to set the security one level
> lower, and see what happens. Too high a security setting often blocks
> perfectly safe stuff.
It could be antivirus, but I would have expected there to be an indication
that something had been removed. Other people using the same antivirus seem to
receive the attachments.
> Would this mean that your attachments include viruses? Possible, but
> unlikely. Do you have AV software that checks outgoing mail as well as
> incoming files? If not, it's worth getting. Even Macs can be turned into
> zombies.
The attachments were PDF files I created on my own Mac. I cannot imagine how
they would get viruses.
> Would this mean that your attachments include viruses? Possible, but
> unlikely. Do you have AV software that checks outgoing mail as well as
> incoming files? If not, it's worth getting. Even Macs can be turned into
> zombies.
They are external attachments.
> You could also ask your friends what version of Windows they are using.
> Windows 200/XP/Vista should have no problems with attachments. Older
> versions (95/98/ME) often do.
They are both using Windows XP.
> Do you receive the attachment yourself,
> when you include any email address(es) of your own
> in "Bcc:"?
I haven't tried it, but other people using Windows XP are receiving the
attachments.
> BTW, how large is the attachment?
> (limitations exist along some delivery paths)
About 100KB.
> Check if they are not using Microsoft Outlook (not Express).
> There is a well-known bug in Outlook 2002 which is part of Office XP:
Possible. I'll have to check. At least one is patched up to the latest
versions using Windows Update, so if the problem has ever been fixed, that
should have fixed it.
The other one is using Outlook Express, so at least Outlook is not the problem
in that case.
> > I had mine set to BinHex and had quite a few complaints from Win users.
> > Changing that to Apple-Double fixed it. You can set that in the
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> message, in the Settings:Sending Attachments:Encoding method: check the
> radio button for AppleDouble.
I have been using AppleDouble for 10 years or more.
Thanks again for the hints.
David
R. Millstein - 24 Apr 2007 17:20 GMT
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<davidmor-C1F67F.22230924042007@eth00.pnews.internode.on.net>,
> The attachments were PDF files I created on my own Mac. I cannot imagine how
> they would get viruses.
Have you made sure that, for each PDF file, the "Type" is set to "PDF "
(with a trailing space) and the "Creator" is set to "CARO"?
Setting the Type and Creator has helped me with recipients who have had
trouble receiving PDF files; I think it changes the way that Eudora
handles the files.
Roberta

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Anders Eklöf - 24 Apr 2007 22:01 GMT
> > Check if they are not using Microsoft Outlook (not Express).
> > There is a well-known bug in Outlook 2002 which is part of Office XP:
>
> Possible. I'll have to check. At least one is patched up to the latest
> versions using Windows Update, so if the problem has ever been fixed, that
> should have fixed it.
I don't think the problem was ever fixed in Ofiice XP/Outlook 2002.
There is no mentioning of a fix - or even the bug - on MS support.
At least I haven't found any, but maybe I type the wrong search words...
Googling OfficeQFE 4781 gives some 70 hits - none at MS.

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aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de - 29 Apr 2007 01:19 GMT
Magically, the attachments show up if the Windows user hits the
forward button on the message. Then click on the icon.