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What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but couldn't understand it.  Signaturehttp://www.decohen.com Send e-mail to the Reply-To address; mail to the From address is never read > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but > couldn't understand it. It's just a fall-back mechanism for recipients whose mail client does not support html email - they get to see the plain-text mail. So sending both will make sure no one is left out. SignatureCheers Martin > > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So sending both will make sure no one is left out. I've been told that sending both is the proper protocol, although occasionally I will send styled-only if the recipient sent me styles first. I have mine set to ask each time. This not only helps me tailor to the recipient, but also lets me know if there are unnecessary styles in the message that could simply be deleted (e.g., styles from people's signatures). Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com [...] > I've been told that sending both is the proper protocol Depends on your definition of "proper". Sending both means sending a lot more data than just sending plain text. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > [...] > > > I've been told that sending both is the proper protocol > > Depends on your definition of "proper". Sending both means sending a lot > more data than just sending plain text. Let me amend. *If* you are sending styled text, then you should send both. But I agree that in many -- perhaps even most -- cases, it is better to send plain. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So sending both will make sure no one is left out. Ah, right. So if I sent "styled only" some people might not be able to read the email at all. Is that correct? I had wondered if "send plain and styled both" actually gave the text twice (once styled, once plain) for some people, but I guess not. Signaturehttp://www.decohen.com Send e-mail to the Reply-To address; mail to the From address is never read > So if I sent "styled only" some people might not be able to read the > email at all. Is that correct? > > I had wondered if "send plain and styled both" actually gave the text > twice (once styled, once plain) for some people, but I guess not. That's how I understood it. The styled mail takes considerably more space since it's got a lot of code overhead so adding the plain-text mail only adds a little to the total. If you only send styled mail, some recipients might only see the raw html code and not be able to make sense of the mess. That has happened to me many times although Eudora should be able to handle it. I suspect the mail was badly formatted. There are quite a lot of people that don't like html mail at all, since email was never designed for it and it uses vast amounts of extra bandwidth. I can see why one would want a little more control over the styling and I occasionally use it myself to emphasize with colours, but in general I steer clear of it - it's a bit of a dilemma. Mind you no other than MS is taking a huge step towards limiting support for html-formatted mails in their upcoming Outlook: <http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/10/microsoft-breaks-html-email-re ndering-in-outlook/> SignatureCheers Martin > > So if I sent "styled only" some people might not be able to read the > > email at all. Is that correct? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > space since it's got a lot of code overhead so adding the plain-text > mail only adds a little to the total. I've checked (using a second email address I have) and I only received the styled text, though I set to send both. I don't particularly bother myself, but my artist friend likes to use colour and font, and I am advising her. Signaturehttp://www.decohen.com Send e-mail to the Reply-To address; mail to the From address is never read > I've checked (using a second email address I have) and I only received > the styled text, though I set to send both. I've just done a similar test and Eudora indeed only seems to receive the styled content. However when I use my ISP's webmail interface I'm presented with the plain-text message and a download button to retrieve the styled mail. From that I can only conclude that *both* versions are actually being send. SignatureCheers Martin > I've just done a similar test and Eudora indeed only seems to receive > the styled content. Well, to be precise, it retrieves all content, but it will display the styled one only if you have it set to pay attention to any styles, and it will actually strip out the plain version from the mailbox file that is saved on the hard drive. SignatureJulian Y. Koh <mailto:kohster@northwestern.edu> Network Engineer <phone:847-467-5780> Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University PGP Public Key:<http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html> > There are quite a lot of people that don't like html mail at all, since > email was never designed for it and it uses vast amounts of extra > bandwidth. I'm one who feels strongly enough about it that I'm likely not to download a message with html only unless it's a newsletter that I specifically requested to receive. > Mind you no other than MS is taking a huge step towards limiting support > for html-formatted mails in their upcoming Outlook: > <http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/10/microsoft-breaks-html-email-re > ndering-in-outlook/> Excellent! If MS has taken a step backwards in support of HTML in Outlook, I should start seeing less of it in my incoming mail. ;-) SignatureKathy - If you're reading this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html> Links to NNTP newsreaders at <http://www.newsreaders.com/> > > > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > > > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I had wondered if "send plain and styled both" actually gave the text > twice (once styled, once plain) for some people, but I guess not. I do get the occasional e-mail that has the text twice. I guess that Eudora is extracting the e-mail from the HTML and also displaying the plain text. > So if I sent "styled only" some people might not be able to read the > email at all. Is that correct? The text would be there, but it might be a big mess, surrounded by html code. Hard to read. > I had wondered if "send plain and styled both" actually gave the text > twice (once styled, once plain) for some people, but I guess not. It isn't supposed to, if the email software is properly behaved. If Eudora is sent both plain and styled text, you just see styled; Eudora is properly behaved. When you do see both plain and styled in Eudora from something that someone sent you, that's because their email program sent something improperly formatted. Lesson? Styles are a PITA. Roberta SignatureRoberta Millstein usenet@spamaway.rlm.net Remove "spamaway" to reply -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but > > couldn't understand it. > > It's just a fall-back mechanism for recipients whose mail client does > not support html email - they get to see the plain-text mail. Unfortunately, Eudora does not give you the choice on the receiving side. hauke SignatureNow without signature. In article <1hspl99.1nf7snj1w9388uN%spamtonne@Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE>, > Unfortunately, Eudora does not give you the choice on the receiving > side. No, I noticed that as well. Perhaps they implemented it this way so Eudora wouldn't need to retrieve more stuff than necessary? SignatureCheers Martin > What is the difference in practice between the settings "Send styled > mail only" and "Send plain and styled both"? I looked at the manual, but > couldn't understand it. If you set for both, the message is automatically encoded in two parts, the plain text and the styled text. Mail clients set to receive or display plain text only will ignore the styled part (it will still be downloaded, though, and can be see it if the mail is opened in a text editor. You will see all the style codes in their ASCII form.) HTH SignatureWolf "Don't believe everything you think." (Maxine) |
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