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R. Millstein - 15 Oct 2006 03:31 GMT
See the short TidBITS article:

http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/?50@382.uFgFba7FrRQ@.3c804d7a

(TidBITS = highly recommended reading for any mac user, especially power
users or aspiring power users).

Here's an excerpt:

"I was getting really tired of maintaining Eudora's elderly code base,
as well as working on extremely boring things like HTML rendering,"
Dorner told TidBITS. He looks forward to "using Thunderbird as a base,"
allowing him to focus on "the things that make up the core productivity
parts of the Eudora experience." The company picked the cross-platform
Thunderbird product because, he says, "it has strengths where Eudora has
weaknesses, and will complement us quite nicely. Mozilla is also happy
to have us developing for their platform, and has made it very clear to
us that they welcome our effort." He hopes "that improvements [will]
flow freely between the two mailers."
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Kathy Morgan - 15 Oct 2006 08:14 GMT
> See the short TidBITS article:
>
> http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/?50@382.uFgFba7FrRQ@.3c804d7a

Thanks for posting that. It's an encouraging article.

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Jon - 15 Oct 2006 11:24 GMT
> > See the short TidBITS article:
> >
> > http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/?50@382.uFgFba7FrRQ@.3c804d7a
>
> Thanks for posting that. It's an encouraging article.

Personally I can understand what has happened, I think. Without knowing
any details at all, Eudora must have some truly ancient pieces of code
in it still (I wouldn't be surprised if there were remants of 68K code
there if that is technically possible). To bring it all up to date must
be a gargantuan task, and would probably involve rewriting most of the
app, including all those little extras (x-settings, etc., etc.) that
make it what it is over and apart from other mail clients. That in its
turn might well have meant that the end result would not have had a
"Eudora look & feel" at all, and existing users would have been
frustrated. And FWIW, I've been wondering for many years why Qualcomm
(of all companies) should keep on doing Eudora...

In this way, hopefully there will be a "Thundora" or Eudobird" somewhere
down the line, taking the good things from both, and without the burden
of the Eudora legacy as everyone will know that this is an entirely new
project.

Looking forward to a Great New Thundora (tm) some time next year! ;-)
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David M. Nieporent - 15 Oct 2006 21:29 GMT
>See the short TidBITS article:
>
>http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/?50@382.uFgFba7FrRQ@.3c804d7a
>
>(TidBITS = highly recommended reading for any mac user, especially power
>users or aspiring power users).

>Here's an excerpt:

>"I was getting really tired of maintaining Eudora's elderly code base,
>as well as working on extremely boring things like HTML rendering,"

I don't see how he could get tired of working on HTML rendering, since he
never bothered to do it.

>Dorner told TidBITS. He looks forward to "using Thunderbird as a base,"
>allowing him to focus on "the things that make up the core productivity
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>us that they welcome our effort." He hopes "that improvements [will]
>flow freely between the two mailers."
Corentin Cras-Méneur - 16 Oct 2006 23:55 GMT
> >"I was getting really tired of maintaining Eudora's elderly code base,
> >as well as working on extremely boring things like HTML rendering,"
>
> I don't see how he could get tired of working on HTML rendering, since he
> never bothered to do it.

... and since WebKit could have done the heavy lifting for them...

Corentin
David M. Nieporent - 18 Oct 2006 04:07 GMT
>>See the short TidBITS article:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>"I was getting really tired of maintaining Eudora's elderly code base,
>>as well as working on extremely boring things like HTML rendering,"

>I don't see how he could get tired of working on HTML rendering, since he
>never bothered to do it.

By the way, that sounds really snarky, but I love Eudora; I've been using
it for at least a decade, and I love its power, flexibility, and the fact
that it isn't that three-paned monstrosity everyone else provides.  I'm
just annoyed that it's so bad at this one thing that everyone else manages
to do.
Tim Streater - 18 Oct 2006 10:30 GMT
> >>See the short TidBITS article:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> just annoyed that it's so bad at this one thing that everyone else manages
> to do.

The right thing for a mail user agent to do is strip out HTML and ignore
it, and send only plain text.

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R. Millstein - 19 Oct 2006 00:37 GMT
> > >I don't see how he could get tired of working on HTML rendering, since he
> > >never bothered to do it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > just annoyed that it's so bad at this one thing that everyone else manages
> > to do.

I'm glad you wrote this; when you first made that comment I was tempted
to say something snarky in return, but I restrained myself.  I have some
beefs with Qualcomm, but they don't extend to Steve Dorner.  I think
it's nice that he still (apparently) considers Eudora his baby after all
of these years, and that he's finding an alternate life path for it, so
to speak.

> The right thing for a mail user agent to do is strip out HTML and ignore
> it, and send only plain text.

And I wish that that would work, except that there are cases where the
person's layout does convey information.  Had they written it originally
in plain text, you'd be OK, but you are at a disadvantage given that it
was written for HTML.

Personally, I hate the HTML, and just use the "show in browser" function
when I really need to see it.  However, even I have to admit that that
is getting old.  Functional HTML display would be nice -- as long as
most of the time, I don't have to see it.
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