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Julian Y. Koh - 11 Jul 2006 16:31 GMT
So there's a new beta and upcoming release of Eudora, 6.2.4.  Is anyone else
mildly disappointed that they're not testing Eudora 7 betas yet?

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Bill Cole - 11 Jul 2006 21:29 GMT
> So there's a new beta and upcoming release of Eudora, 6.2.4.  Is anyone else
> mildly disappointed that they're not testing Eudora 7 betas yet?

Mildly disappointed?

Nope.

Positively depressed.

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Stephen Esrati - 12 Jul 2006 16:19 GMT
> Mildly disappointed?
>
> Nope.
>
> Positively depressed.

Why? The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only
because you always wanted the latest thing?
Martin Sammtleben - 12 Jul 2006 17:22 GMT
> Why? The current Eudora is terrific.

If I remember correctly there were confirmed rumours that E 7 will
handle unicode - that would be terrific.

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Steve Maser - 12 Jul 2006 17:49 GMT
In article <Rp8tg.171242$F_3.130954@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Why?
The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only
> because you always wanted the latest thing?

The one thing that's asked for here with it is integration with
Spotlight.

Sure, the *mailboxes* are found if you search for text -- but not the
specific message.

And, yes, Eudora's internal search is very nice, but that's what people
ask for here...

And Unicode support.

- Steve
Anders Eklöf - 12 Jul 2006 19:40 GMT
> In article <Rp8tg.171242$F_3.130954@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Why?
> The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> And Unicode support.

And UB ?

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Sander Tekelenburg - 14 Jul 2006 00:24 GMT
[...]

  [waiting for Eudora 7]

> Why? The current Eudora is terrific.

It is. It also still doesn't do threaded display of messages, no "Smart
Mailboxes" (like iTunes' "Smart Playlists"), no PGP plug-in, and
contains some loooong standing bugs still.

Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use
it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.)

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 15 Jul 2006 14:58 GMT
> Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use
> it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.)

seen on Dealmac forums:

= = = = =

MoRU is your answer.

Most everybody in OS X has used Spotlight, I imagine, and I was glad to
see such a system enhancement added to the OS. However, sometimes it can
be a little irksome to "discover" what you really want as the results
returned using Spotlight can be numerous and, in the case of having
multiple drives, sometimes overwhelming, or seemingly so.

Anyway, in the August 06 issue of Macworld I saw an app mentioned in one
of the featured articles (about Mac software gems) called MoRU that
really, and I mean really, takes care of Spotlight's shortcomings, at
least as I see them. MoRU does what we all wish Spotlight WOULD do -
give results that we want presented in a clear, easy-to-read interface.
It also does much more than just "Find" things (keep reading).

Rather than try to explain here what I have found that it can do, which
would be rather limited since I've only had it installed a few hours and
not had time to explore it, I'll include the link to the Macworld review
of it (which had been written in an earlier issue - can't believe I
missed it!). It is a very informative article, and I might mention that
MoRU has undergone some updates and revisions since the article making
it even better.

http://tinyurl.com/rdsq7

I'd recommend EVERYONE check that article, if you haven't already read
it and already know about MoRU, and then go ahead and download MoRU -
try it - BUY it. One of the best "FINDS" I've "found". Really.

http://www.windstormsoftware.com/wssw/moru/index.html

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Sander Tekelenburg - 15 Jul 2006 21:09 GMT
> > Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use
> > it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.)
>
> [...] MoRU is your answer.

Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small
subset of what Spotlight has to offer.

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Geoffrey F. Green - 15 Jul 2006 23:44 GMT
> Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small
> subset of what Spotlight has to offer.

What do you mean by "only allows string searches"? The app appears to
expose just about anything searchable by Spotlight, with the ability
to use boolean logic to some extent to narrow your search.

- geoff
Sander Tekelenburg - 16 Jul 2006 00:47 GMT
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<geoff-usenet2-54DA0D.18442315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,

  [MoRU]

> > Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small
> > subset of what Spotlight has to offer.
>
> What do you mean by "only allows string searches"? The app appears to
> expose just about anything searchable by Spotlight, with the ability
> to use boolean logic to some extent to narrow your search.

It looked to me you can only enter text to search for. Not tell it to
apply the search only to documents changed between date x and y, for
instance.

But I now see there's also a "Smart Group" window, which has an "Add"
menu that offers such criteria. Still, to me this UI isn't good enough.
The old Find File's UI would be much nicer. MoRU borrowed from that
partially only.

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Geoffrey F. Green - 16 Jul 2006 01:02 GMT
> But I now see there's also a "Smart Group" window, which has an "Add"
> menu that offers such criteria. Still, to me this UI isn't good enough.
> The old Find File's UI would be much nicer. MoRU borrowed from that
> partially only.

Yea, that's what turned me of from MoRU myself. It is too involved to
just do a one-off search.

HoudahSpot is another app that tries to put a pretty face on MoRU, but
I haven't tried it yet. <http://www.houdah.com/houdahSpot/>

- geoff
Sander Tekelenburg - 16 Jul 2006 04:58 GMT
In article
<geoff-usenet2-1AD48D.20025415072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,

[...]

> HoudahSpot is another app that tries to put a pretty face on MoRU, but
> I haven't tried it yet. <http://www.houdah.com/houdahSpot/>

Thanks. Looks better, yes. But its trial period is limited to a mere 30
queries. That's just too silly, especially given it's either not working
or not self-explanatory enough:
- when using creator types as a search criteria nothing is found
- the criteria menus do not seem to be editable
- there appears to be no way to define a new search's defaults

Oh well, back to Eudora... ;)

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Bill Cole - 14 Jul 2006 14:42 GMT
> > Mildly disappointed?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Why? The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only
> because you always wanted the latest thing?

The current Eudora is terrific for 1998. In the context of things I want
to be doing with mail in 2006, it is significantly lacking.

My list of missing features has not changed much in the past few years,
but here it is again:

1. Modernize EMSAPI so that it is feasible for third parties to write
plugins in the modern world. Alternatively, expand the scripting
interface to make EMSAPI plugins unnecessary.

2. Restore S/MIME support.

3. Bring back the 4.x filtering behavior that allowed continuing to
apply filters after any match rather than forcing an end to filtering
after certain actions.

4. Provide a "Run Script" action for filters.

5. Redesign the mailbox format to eliminate the size and message count
limitations which are artifacts of the System 7 resource manager. this
probably will bring with it a handy side-effect of making Spotlight
integration better, and simplifying the task of other programs trying to
look at Eudora's message store.

6. Hook the user-defined filters into the blackbox spam filter. Let user
filters both declare a message spam AND let them test the spam filter's
score.

Over the past few years I've had feedback from Qualcomm people implying
that all but #3 are likely to happen in Eudora 7. My own use of Eudora
and of mail in general would be improved by these. My ability to
recommend Eudora to others as an alternative to Apple Mail or Entourage
would be improved.

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Andy Hewitt - 14 Jul 2006 16:18 GMT
> > > Mildly disappointed?
> > >
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> The current Eudora is terrific for 1998. In the context of things I want
> to be doing with mail in 2006, it is significantly lacking.

I have to agree with you there. I've been using Eudora since about 1998
myself, on and off. In that time I've tried just about every Mail app
there is for a Mac (I probably miss CyberDog the most). I'm now left
hopping between Mail and Eudora, but I seem to stay with Mail more and
more now.

Eudora is a fantastic tool for sure, but as time passes, it seems that
Eudora is just being left so far behind. As Apple manage to update Mail
over the last few years, I find it harder and harder to consider Eudora
as an alternative.

Mail can filter quite well, and used with the Smart mailboxes is a very
potent tool indeed. For example, I can easily filter incoming messages
to various mailboxes, and use a smart box to view all the unread ones.
When I've read them, they are already filed.

I don't use the threading feature myself, I find it more annoying than
anything else.

Mail can also handle HTMl messages properly too. I know many believe
this to be against the spirit of eMail, but whether we like it or not,
it's here. I get many messages now, from online stores, my bank, and
even iTunes Music Store. All of which I want to receive, and I want to
see them the way *I* want to see them.

If Eudora 7 can at least display a modern eMail properly I shall
certainly consider using it again. Until then Mail has been reliable and
sufficiently functional for me.

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Andrew Starr - 14 Jul 2006 23:25 GMT
> 3. Bring back the 4.x filtering behavior that allowed continuing to
> apply filters after any match rather than forcing an end to filtering
> after certain actions.

Eudora for Windows acts this way.  I have to make sure a filter has an
action of "Skip Rest" for it to stop.

-Andrew

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Matt Simpson - 12 Jul 2006 16:56 GMT
Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code?
I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription.
I'll be happy to pay to renew when Version 7 is available.  But I'm a
little hesitant to shell out the $ for a fairly minor upgrade, and run
the risk that it will expire AGAIN before Version 7 is finally released.
Kathy Morgan - 13 Jul 2006 16:17 GMT
> Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code?
> I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription.
> I'll be happy to pay to renew when Version 7 is available.  But I'm a
> little hesitant to shell out the $ for a fairly minor upgrade, and run
> the risk that it will expire AGAIN before Version 7 is finally released.

If your subscription is expired, you'll have to pay again for the minor
upgrade.  If v7 comes out within a year, you would not have to pay again
for it, but if it is more than a year before v7 is available, you would
have to pay again to use it.

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Bill Cole - 14 Jul 2006 14:12 GMT
> > Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code?
> > I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription.
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> If your subscription is expired, you'll have to pay again for the minor
> upgrade.

Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and
6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.

I have found that Qualcomm talks tougher on their licensing model than
they act. I've been using the current Eudora for its entire lifetime as
a commercial product, and I've paid Qualcomm 5 times in 14 years. I paid
for 6.1 in April 2004, and have not had to pay since.

This is far better than getting charged for bugfix upgrades (which is
what the entire 6.2 series is, really) for both customers and Qualcomm.
The customer benefit is obvious, but for Qualcomm it keeps customer
resentment down over things like a year-late release. It also means that
they can predict revenue from major releases better.

> If v7 comes out within a year, you would not have to pay again
> for it, but if it is more than a year before v7 is available, you would
> have to pay again to use it.

I expect that just about everyone will be due to pay by the time 7 gets
released. At this point, the only remaining Eudora users on the Mac who
will be able to run 7 are hardcore mail junkies who can't bear the
switch to Apple Mail, and we are getting desperate.

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Matt Simpson - 14 Jul 2006 15:29 GMT
> Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and
> 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.
>
>I paid
> for 6.1 in April 2004, and have not had to pay since.

Thanks.  According to my registration profile, I paid in May 2004.  I
don't remember what release that was.  I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and
it's happily running in paid mode.
Kathy Morgan - 14 Jul 2006 16:47 GMT
> > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and
> > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> don't remember what release that was.  I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and
> it's happily running in paid mode.

Excellent!  This is one time I'm glad to hear I was wrong. :-)

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Sandy Foster - 14 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT
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<net-news99-65909C.10292114072006@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

> > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and
> > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> don't remember what release that was.  I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and
> it's happily running in paid mode.

I'm afraid to update -- I paid in Sept. of 2003, long enough ago that I
suspect that *any* update will have to be a paid one. :S
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Richard Chang - 14 Jul 2006 20:18 GMT
> Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and
> 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.

 Don't count on this when the final version of 6.2.4 comes out. They
might not enforce the registration for beta versions. You should keep a
copy of the last beta version they put out.

Richard
Martin Sammtleben - 14 Jul 2006 21:27 GMT
> I have found that Qualcomm talks tougher on their licensing model than
> they act.

That is my experience, too.
Just think about it, in order to upgrade Apple's cute Mail you need to
purchase a system software upgrade - ridiculous.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 15 Jul 2006 14:54 GMT
> At this point, the only remaining Eudora users on the Mac who
> will be able to run 7 are hardcore mail junkies who can't bear the
> switch to Apple Mail, and we are getting desperate.

That's me.

And I'm not a hardcore mail junkie; I just think that mail is by
definition text, and that Eudora does it better than anyone else.
 
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