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Julian Y. Koh - 11 Jul 2006 16:31 GMT So there's a new beta and upcoming release of Eudora, 6.2.4. Is anyone else mildly disappointed that they're not testing Eudora 7 betas yet?
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Bill Cole - 11 Jul 2006 21:29 GMT > So there's a new beta and upcoming release of Eudora, 6.2.4. Is anyone else > mildly disappointed that they're not testing Eudora 7 betas yet? Mildly disappointed?
Nope.
Positively depressed.
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Stephen Esrati - 12 Jul 2006 16:19 GMT > Mildly disappointed? > > Nope. > > Positively depressed. Why? The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only because you always wanted the latest thing?
Martin Sammtleben - 12 Jul 2006 17:22 GMT > Why? The current Eudora is terrific. If I remember correctly there were confirmed rumours that E 7 will handle unicode - that would be terrific.
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Steve Maser - 12 Jul 2006 17:49 GMT In article <Rp8tg.171242$F_3.130954@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Why? The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only
> because you always wanted the latest thing? The one thing that's asked for here with it is integration with Spotlight.
Sure, the *mailboxes* are found if you search for text -- but not the specific message.
And, yes, Eudora's internal search is very nice, but that's what people ask for here...
And Unicode support.
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Anders Eklöf - 12 Jul 2006 19:40 GMT > In article <Rp8tg.171242$F_3.130954@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Why? > The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And Unicode support. And UB ?
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Sander Tekelenburg - 14 Jul 2006 00:24 GMT [...]
[waiting for Eudora 7]
> Why? The current Eudora is terrific. It is. It also still doesn't do threaded display of messages, no "Smart Mailboxes" (like iTunes' "Smart Playlists"), no PGP plug-in, and contains some loooong standing bugs still.
Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.)
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 15 Jul 2006 14:58 GMT > Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use > it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.) seen on Dealmac forums:
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MoRU is your answer.
Most everybody in OS X has used Spotlight, I imagine, and I was glad to see such a system enhancement added to the OS. However, sometimes it can be a little irksome to "discover" what you really want as the results returned using Spotlight can be numerous and, in the case of having multiple drives, sometimes overwhelming, or seemingly so.
Anyway, in the August 06 issue of Macworld I saw an app mentioned in one of the featured articles (about Mac software gems) called MoRU that really, and I mean really, takes care of Spotlight's shortcomings, at least as I see them. MoRU does what we all wish Spotlight WOULD do - give results that we want presented in a clear, easy-to-read interface. It also does much more than just "Find" things (keep reading).
Rather than try to explain here what I have found that it can do, which would be rather limited since I've only had it installed a few hours and not had time to explore it, I'll include the link to the Macworld review of it (which had been written in an earlier issue - can't believe I missed it!). It is a very informative article, and I might mention that MoRU has undergone some updates and revisions since the article making it even better.
http://tinyurl.com/rdsq7
I'd recommend EVERYONE check that article, if you haven't already read it and already know about MoRU, and then go ahead and download MoRU - try it - BUY it. One of the best "FINDS" I've "found". Really.
http://www.windstormsoftware.com/wssw/moru/index.html
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Sander Tekelenburg - 15 Jul 2006 21:09 GMT > > Spotlight integration would be useful too I'm sure, for those who use > > it. (I don't, until Apple fixes the pathetic GUI.) > > [...] MoRU is your answer. Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small subset of what Spotlight has to offer.
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Geoffrey F. Green - 15 Jul 2006 23:44 GMT > Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small > subset of what Spotlight has to offer. What do you mean by "only allows string searches"? The app appears to expose just about anything searchable by Spotlight, with the ability to use boolean logic to some extent to narrow your search.
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Sander Tekelenburg - 16 Jul 2006 00:47 GMT In article <geoff-usenet2-54DA0D.18442315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
[MoRU]
> > Looks to me like it only allows string searches. That's only a small > > subset of what Spotlight has to offer. > > What do you mean by "only allows string searches"? The app appears to > expose just about anything searchable by Spotlight, with the ability > to use boolean logic to some extent to narrow your search. It looked to me you can only enter text to search for. Not tell it to apply the search only to documents changed between date x and y, for instance.
But I now see there's also a "Smart Group" window, which has an "Add" menu that offers such criteria. Still, to me this UI isn't good enough. The old Find File's UI would be much nicer. MoRU borrowed from that partially only.
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Geoffrey F. Green - 16 Jul 2006 01:02 GMT > But I now see there's also a "Smart Group" window, which has an "Add" > menu that offers such criteria. Still, to me this UI isn't good enough. > The old Find File's UI would be much nicer. MoRU borrowed from that > partially only. Yea, that's what turned me of from MoRU myself. It is too involved to just do a one-off search.
HoudahSpot is another app that tries to put a pretty face on MoRU, but I haven't tried it yet. <http://www.houdah.com/houdahSpot/>
- geoff
Sander Tekelenburg - 16 Jul 2006 04:58 GMT In article <geoff-usenet2-1AD48D.20025415072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
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> HoudahSpot is another app that tries to put a pretty face on MoRU, but > I haven't tried it yet. <http://www.houdah.com/houdahSpot/> Thanks. Looks better, yes. But its trial period is limited to a mere 30 queries. That's just too silly, especially given it's either not working or not self-explanatory enough: - when using creator types as a search criteria nothing is found - the criteria menus do not seem to be editable - there appears to be no way to define a new search's defaults
Oh well, back to Eudora... ;)
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Bill Cole - 14 Jul 2006 14:42 GMT > > Mildly disappointed? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why? The current Eudora is terrific. Are you waiting for an update only > because you always wanted the latest thing? The current Eudora is terrific for 1998. In the context of things I want to be doing with mail in 2006, it is significantly lacking.
My list of missing features has not changed much in the past few years, but here it is again:
1. Modernize EMSAPI so that it is feasible for third parties to write plugins in the modern world. Alternatively, expand the scripting interface to make EMSAPI plugins unnecessary.
2. Restore S/MIME support.
3. Bring back the 4.x filtering behavior that allowed continuing to apply filters after any match rather than forcing an end to filtering after certain actions.
4. Provide a "Run Script" action for filters.
5. Redesign the mailbox format to eliminate the size and message count limitations which are artifacts of the System 7 resource manager. this probably will bring with it a handy side-effect of making Spotlight integration better, and simplifying the task of other programs trying to look at Eudora's message store.
6. Hook the user-defined filters into the blackbox spam filter. Let user filters both declare a message spam AND let them test the spam filter's score.
Over the past few years I've had feedback from Qualcomm people implying that all but #3 are likely to happen in Eudora 7. My own use of Eudora and of mail in general would be improved by these. My ability to recommend Eudora to others as an alternative to Apple Mail or Entourage would be improved.
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Andy Hewitt - 14 Jul 2006 16:18 GMT > > > Mildly disappointed? > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The current Eudora is terrific for 1998. In the context of things I want > to be doing with mail in 2006, it is significantly lacking. I have to agree with you there. I've been using Eudora since about 1998 myself, on and off. In that time I've tried just about every Mail app there is for a Mac (I probably miss CyberDog the most). I'm now left hopping between Mail and Eudora, but I seem to stay with Mail more and more now.
Eudora is a fantastic tool for sure, but as time passes, it seems that Eudora is just being left so far behind. As Apple manage to update Mail over the last few years, I find it harder and harder to consider Eudora as an alternative.
Mail can filter quite well, and used with the Smart mailboxes is a very potent tool indeed. For example, I can easily filter incoming messages to various mailboxes, and use a smart box to view all the unread ones. When I've read them, they are already filed.
I don't use the threading feature myself, I find it more annoying than anything else.
Mail can also handle HTMl messages properly too. I know many believe this to be against the spirit of eMail, but whether we like it or not, it's here. I get many messages now, from online stores, my bank, and even iTunes Music Store. All of which I want to receive, and I want to see them the way *I* want to see them.
If Eudora 7 can at least display a modern eMail properly I shall certainly consider using it again. Until then Mail has been reliable and sufficiently functional for me.
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Andrew Starr - 14 Jul 2006 23:25 GMT > 3. Bring back the 4.x filtering behavior that allowed continuing to > apply filters after any match rather than forcing an end to filtering > after certain actions. Eudora for Windows acts this way. I have to make sure a filter has an action of "Skip Rest" for it to stop.
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Matt Simpson - 12 Jul 2006 16:56 GMT Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code? I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription. I'll be happy to pay to renew when Version 7 is available. But I'm a little hesitant to shell out the $ for a fairly minor upgrade, and run the risk that it will expire AGAIN before Version 7 is finally released.
Kathy Morgan - 13 Jul 2006 16:17 GMT > Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code? > I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription. > I'll be happy to pay to renew when Version 7 is available. But I'm a > little hesitant to shell out the $ for a fairly minor upgrade, and run > the risk that it will expire AGAIN before Version 7 is finally released. If your subscription is expired, you'll have to pay again for the minor upgrade. If v7 comes out within a year, you would not have to pay again for it, but if it is more than a year before v7 is available, you would have to pay again to use it.
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Bill Cole - 14 Jul 2006 14:12 GMT > > Does anybody know if 6.2.4 requires an updated subscription code? > > I'm currently running 6.2.3 in paid mode with an expired subscription. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If your subscription is expired, you'll have to pay again for the minor > upgrade. Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid.
I have found that Qualcomm talks tougher on their licensing model than they act. I've been using the current Eudora for its entire lifetime as a commercial product, and I've paid Qualcomm 5 times in 14 years. I paid for 6.1 in April 2004, and have not had to pay since.
This is far better than getting charged for bugfix upgrades (which is what the entire 6.2 series is, really) for both customers and Qualcomm. The customer benefit is obvious, but for Qualcomm it keeps customer resentment down over things like a year-late release. It also means that they can predict revenue from major releases better.
> If v7 comes out within a year, you would not have to pay again > for it, but if it is more than a year before v7 is available, you would > have to pay again to use it. I expect that just about everyone will be due to pay by the time 7 gets released. At this point, the only remaining Eudora users on the Mac who will be able to run 7 are hardcore mail junkies who can't bear the switch to Apple Mail, and we are getting desperate.
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Matt Simpson - 14 Jul 2006 15:29 GMT > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid. > >I paid > for 6.1 in April 2004, and have not had to pay since. Thanks. According to my registration profile, I paid in May 2004. I don't remember what release that was. I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and it's happily running in paid mode.
Kathy Morgan - 14 Jul 2006 16:47 GMT > > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and > > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > don't remember what release that was. I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and > it's happily running in paid mode. Excellent! This is one time I'm glad to hear I was wrong. :-)
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Sandy Foster - 14 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT In article <net-news99-65909C.10292114072006@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and > > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > don't remember what release that was. I just upgraded to 6.2.4.b4, and > it's happily running in paid mode. I'm afraid to update -- I paid in Sept. of 2003, long enough ago that I suspect that *any* update will have to be a paid one. :S
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Richard Chang - 14 Jul 2006 20:18 GMT > Not for the 6.2.4 beta. I'm well over 2 years past my last payment, and > 6.2.4b4 insists that I am paid. Don't count on this when the final version of 6.2.4 comes out. They might not enforce the registration for beta versions. You should keep a copy of the last beta version they put out.
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Martin Sammtleben - 14 Jul 2006 21:27 GMT > I have found that Qualcomm talks tougher on their licensing model than > they act. That is my experience, too. Just think about it, in order to upgrade Apple's cute Mail you need to purchase a system software upgrade - ridiculous.
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 15 Jul 2006 14:54 GMT > At this point, the only remaining Eudora users on the Mac who > will be able to run 7 are hardcore mail junkies who can't bear the > switch to Apple Mail, and we are getting desperate. That's me.
And I'm not a hardcore mail junkie; I just think that mail is by definition text, and that Eudora does it better than anyone else.
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