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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / July 2006transfer message without closing it
This might be a silly question, but checking the settings and searching the Eudora knowledge database did not give me an easy answer. I want to transfer an open message to one of my gazillion mailboxes without it closing on me. It would save me a lot of work in a day with those messages arriving in my inbox I reply to which are not already automatically filtered to one of those boxes. Now I have to manually add a Bcc line with the proper mailbox with the Folder Carbon Copy function. If I can first transfer them and then reply with the 'Automatically Fcc to original mailbox option' on it saves me one complicated mouse movement per reply. To prevent RSI I want to do as much as possible with the keyboard and avoid mouse complicated mouse movements. The only relevant information I found is under Settings:Moving Around: After finishing a message: ("Finishing" a message means deleting it, transferring it, or paging past the end of it with the space bar.) The second should not be considered as finished reading the message. It is not finished, I am going to write a reply to it, but on beforehand I already know in what mailbox I want to archive it. The issue remains when tranferring it without using the Transfer Message from the pull-down menu and dragging it using that mailbox window pane, the drawer. With the inbox window open and after dragging it to a proper mailbox in the drawer, the message is considered 'finished', even though I still have the intention of typing a reply to it! Silly Eudora does not understand my intentions... Actually the drawer is usually not of any use because I have a gazillion mailboxes. The pane is not big enough to show them all, let alone that I can do the 'transfer gesture' as easily as I can with the pull-down menu. And besides that, the open message is covering my view on the inbox, preventing me from selecting the message I want to drag to one of those boxes in the drawer. I can not close the message and then drag it, because I then have to find it back in one of those gazillion mailboxes to open it again. I am curious for a reaction to any of this.  SignatureReindeR > And besides that, the open message is covering my view on the inbox, > preventing me from selecting the message I want to drag to one of those > boxes in the drawer. I'm not sure that I really understand what you want to do. If the message you want to transfer is open, why not keep open the 'Mailboxes' window (in the Windows menu) which will stay open for ever, if you want. Then drag the envelope symbol in your message topbar to the mailbox you want. That effects the transfer with one gesture. If your mailbox list (like mine) is too long to fit into the height of your screen, just one click on the Mailboxes window and typing the first one or two letters of the mailbox name will bring it into the visible part of the Mailboxes window; then you can drag the message across. This will, however, close the message window, and you have to open the window to open the message. I don't know of any way round that. SignaturePeter > then you can drag the message across. > > This will, however, close the message window, and you have to open the > window to open the message. Which is exactly what I want to prevent, you understand what I want, but Eudora does not... SignatureReindeR [...] > you understand what I want, but Eudora does not... The solution is obvious: have Peter handle your email for you ;) SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > This might be a silly question, but checking the settings and searching > the Eudora knowledge database did not give me an easy answer. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > I am curious for a reaction to any of this. Here's how I would do it: I wouldn't be *opening* my message to reply; I would make sure my Inbox (and all other mailboxes) shows in split pane view so I can see all of my messages easily. I would then click into a message in the list and drag it to the relevant mailbox in the drawer, then click in to that mailbox, hit Command-R and reply away. Yes, I know your mailbox list is too long to make dragging over comfortable. How about breaking them down into groups (alphabetical or whatever). The folders are springloaded, so it's not that much more difficult to drag into the correct folder, although you'd have to click the triangle to open the folder. [transfering message to another mailbox causes it to close] If you click on the column heading in a mailbox and then click again, the mailbox will list messages in the order received. This doesn't solve the problem of the closing messages, but it makes them easier to find, since they sort to the bottom of the mailbox listing. Another work-around would be to label the messages with the label "requires answer" prior to moving them. That would also make them easier to locate. (Depending on how many there are, you might want search using the label as your search criterion.) Once the message has been answered, remember to change the label. SignatureKathy - post reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > If you click on the column heading in a mailbox and then click again, > the mailbox will list messages in the order received. This doesn't > solve the problem of the closing messages, but it makes them easier to > find, since they sort to the bottom of the mailbox listing. A couple of small points I'm not sure about... Isn't that order defined by the date in the message headers? Because I've had a very few irritating mails that hid themselves up in the listing because they had the wong date... Is there really a way to display them in order of the date they were *received*? I'm using 6.1/OS10.3.9 and I can't see a way of doing that, but I'd like to. SignaturePeter > > If you click on the column heading in a mailbox and then click again, > > the mailbox will list messages in the order received. This doesn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > display them in order of the date they were *received*? I'm using > 6.1/OS10.3.9 and I can't see a way of doing that, but I'd like to. If you click once on the header in the date column, the messages are sorted by the date in the message headers. If you click a second time, they are subsequently sorted by the date the message arrives in the mailbox. It won't resort them, but messages received after that get listed in the order they are moved into the mailbox. At least, that's how it works for me, and I don't think I've done anything special in x-eudora-settings that would have changed it. I'm using 10.4.7 now, but it worked before in 10.x.x. SignatureKathy - post reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > If you click once on the header in the date column, the messages are > sorted by the date in the message headers. If you click a second time, > they are subsequently sorted by the date the message arrives in the > mailbox. Well, Lawdie miss Claudie, I didn't know about that. Thank you. Next problem; if as you say, it doesn't restropectively change the order os the display, how do I find out which order I have selected? Normally, all my mails are sorted within their mailboxes by header date. Clicking on the 'Date' column header makes no apparent difference at all, except that the column header is, or isn't, highlighted. I've looked in the manual but after a while I felt that life was too short... SignaturePeter > Next problem; if as you say, it doesn't restropectively change the order > os the display, how do I find out which order I have selected? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all, except that the column header is, or isn't, highlighted. I've > looked in the manual but after a while I felt that life was too short... Um, I would select a recent message (say from 1-2 days old) from the In box and transfer it to a new mailbox. If it appears at the bottom of the list, the box is sorting by date received. If it appears in order by the date in the headers, click once on the date header and try the experiment again. SignatureKathy - post reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > Um, I would select a recent message (say from 1-2 days old) from the In > box and transfer it to a new mailbox. If it appears at the bottom of > the list, the box is sorting by date received. If it appears in order > by the date in the headers, click once on the date header and try the > experiment again. Okay, I did that; clicking on the date column header toggles its highlighting on and off. When the header is highlighted, sorting is done in 'time moved into the mailbox' order. When not highlighted, it derives its order from the mail header information. Very subtle- I thought it would be the time received by Eudora that counted, rather than the time moved into the folder. And since in my case, except when the mail's time is mis-set at the origin, these times are pretty much the same... I could never see a difference. Thank you very much for that. SignaturePeter [...] > I've had a very few irritating mails that hid themselves up in the > listing because they had the wong date... This might be useful: <x-eudora-setting:11307> File dates older than this will not be believed; default is Jan 1, 1980. Mine reads "0". I vaguely recall that Steve once told me this setting should help deal with incorrectly dated mail 'disappearing' at the top of a mailbox, but I might be mistaken. I don't recall having had the problem for quite some time though -- might be due to this setting, or due to coincidence. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > Mine reads "0". I vaguely recall that Steve once told me this setting > should help deal with incorrectly dated mail 'disappearing' at the top > of a mailbox, but I might be mistaken. I don't recall having had the > problem for quite some time though -- might be due to this setting, or > due to coincidence. Thanks, Sander. It may well be coincidence; I've not had this 'date disappearance' happen for a couple of years- but it did happen a few times. I was using Eudora 3.1.3 Light. Golly, how innocent we were then... SignaturePeter [...] I think this would be very useful (optional) behaviour. I suggest you submit a feature request. In the mean time, what I do is use a saved Search with 2 criteria. My Search finds all mail that is either unread or (with a Label) marked as 'to be dealt with'. I have it look through certain mailboxes only (not mailing lists) as a means to always have a view of only important mail, but you could use it for all mailboxes if you want. Save the Search, and use it as your one-size-fits-all mailbox. New (unread) mail will show up automatically. Unread mail will unfortunately only disappear from the Search results after you hit the Search button again, so you'll have to do this regularly to ensure your view is up to date. (Rumour has it Eudora 7 will do this automatically, much like Mail.app's Smart Mailboxes.) Messages that I don't want to immediately reply to, I assign a Label 'to deal with' to. Because the Search also looks for those, this means that you can then Transfer the message, but it will still be part of the Search result and thus, although closed, still 'in your face' in your Search 'mailbox' -- easy to open again. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > I want to transfer an open message to one of my gazillion mailboxes > without it closing on me. Although I did not find an answer to this, while searching the Eudora knowledge database with the keyword 'transfer' I did find a cool feature I did not know about: http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2480hq.html "highlight the keyword you wish to file, then holding down your Control key click on the word. You will see two options one is "Help" and the other is "Transfer to" and the name of the mailbox." I have a mailbox called 'Eudora' with all Eudora related e-mails. I moved a message out of it to the Inbox and control-clicked on the word Eudora in it. It worked! But it also closed on me, Eudora considers it 'finished'. My problem would also be solved if the mailbox I transfer a message to opens. Anyone with ideas on this? SignatureReindeR |
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