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Mac Forum / Applications / Eudora / June 2006Filter logic for forwarding and deleting Junk?
I have a Manual filter that I apply periodically to the contents of my Junk mailbox which says, in effect If Junk score > 98, then Forward to falsenegative@my.mail.server Transfer this message to Trash Each time I use this filter, the Junk messages get put in my Out box and are sent on the next Send. This works fine -- but how can I extend the logic of this filter, or create an Outgoing filter, to also *delete* these particular Sent (really Forwarded) messages from the Out box when that delayed send finally occurs? In particular, if I put a test in an Outgoing filter which catches these messages at the time of the delayed send (which is really a Forward) and says "Trash 'em", are these messages trashed *before* or *after* being sent? [snip by jr] > In particular, if I put a test in an Outgoing filter which catches these > messages at the time of the delayed send (which is really a Forward) and > says "Trash 'em", are these messages trashed *before* or *after* being > sent? I'm not sure you ever want to remove (delete) a message before it has been successfully sent. What you might want to do is run a manual filter on your outbox that looks for the same criteria you mentioned, but where the Recipient is "falsenegative@my.mail.server" or whatever that email was you wanted. And, just curious, why would a junk score of >98 mean a false negative? Cheers, Jim > And, just curious, why would a junk score of >98 mean a false negative? My university's email server has spam filtering that labels what it judges to be definite incoming spam by prepending "SPAM###" to the Subject: line before downloading it to my Eudora client (with varying number of #'s from 1 to 5 to indicate certainty as to it it being spam). After watching this in operation for a year or so, I've found its judgments to be reliably "true positives", so I now filter these messages straight to the Trash without any subsequent review. They also do some filtering which prepends "JUNK" to the subject line of some of the remaining messages and assigns varying junk scores to these depending on their confidence level. These messages get filtered by me into my Junk mailbox and the listing eyeballed later on; and some of these -- very few, actually -- do turn out to be "false positives", i.e. legitimate messages. Lately, however, a lot of stuff that's definitely spam (even some Nigerian scam messages) seems to be getting through their filtering system totally unlabeled as spam or junk, i.e. as "false negatives". When I open and scan through a newly arrived batch of email messages, I dispose of each of these messages with an instant cmd-J, which assigns them a junk score = 100 and sends them to the Junk mailbox. After a big batch of messages have collected in the Junk mailbox, I use the manual filter to forward those with high junk scores to the university's <falsenegatives@their.email.server> address, and the university server uses these (coming from me and many others) to train their server. The choice of 98 as a threshold for doing this is arbitrary, just to skim off the top layer of surely junk messages and get rid of them, before doing a quick eyeball scan of the remaining lower junk score messages. Hi all > > And, just curious, why would a junk score of >98 mean a false negative? [snip by jr] > Lately, however, a lot of stuff that's definitely spam (even some > Nigerian scam messages) seems to be getting through their filtering [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > <falsenegatives@their.email.server> address, and the university server > uses these (coming from me and many others) to train their server. Aha, got it...the address doesn't indicate that the value of 100 is a false negative, it's your way of reporting a batch of received email that you had to manually mark as junk to your university and a "report false negatives to this address" email account. Okay, no big emergency; it's fun to learn how other people manage this persistent problem, though. Thanks for taking to time to share your process. Cheers, Jim > Aha, got it...the address doesn't indicate that the value of 100 is a > false negative, it's your way of reporting a batch of received email [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > persistent problem, though. Thanks for taking to time to share your > process. Yes, that's it. Sorry if I didn't make that clear at the start. Since the university just auto-feeds the messages forwarded to this "report false negatives" email address into their Bayesian (?) filter training process with little or no manual processing required, this seems like an intelligent approach to improving the filtering -- though I suppose there could be a risk that some individual or group within the university community could abuse this system by forwarding a bunch of (fabricated?) messages from some legitimate sender they didn't like, with the malicious intent of getting that sender's messages marked as spam or junk. Original problem remains unsolved, however: Starting with a batch of high junk score messages in my Junk mailbox, how do I code a combination of Manual and/or Outgoing filters that will --Forward those messages to the "false negative" address (which means in practice, creating a forwarded _copy_ of each message and putting it in the Out box for later sending) --Then delete the messages themselves from the Junk mailbox --AND, delete the forwarded message copies from the Out box following the later Send. The last step is so far unsolved (by me, anyway) -- and it does have to be a delayed Send, because (a) I may not be on line at the time I do the first two steps, and/or (b) there may be other messages in the Out box that I don't want to send right now. --AND, Delete the > Original problem remains unsolved, however: Starting with a batch of > high junk score messages in my Junk mailbox, how do I code a combination [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > first two steps, and/or (b) there may be other messages in the Out box > that I don't want to send right now. It's not exactly what you want, but you could add an action to your filter that adds a "forwarded" label to the messages. You could then sort by label or search Junk by label and manually delete those messages. You could Search the Out box for messages to <whatever-the-address-is> and status is sent, and manually delete those.  SignatureKathy - post reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > Aha, got it...the address doesn't indicate that the value of 100 is a > false negative, it's your way of reporting a batch of received email > that you had to manually mark as junk to your university and a "report > false negatives to this address" email account. Yes, thanks, AES. Now it makes perfect sense. :-) SignatureKathy - pst reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> > And, just curious, why would a junk score of >98 mean a false negative? Yes, inquiring minds want to know. ;-) SignatureKathy - post reviews of other newsgroups in news:news.groups.reviews help for new users at <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/> Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval at <http://www.gnksa.org/> |
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