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what do you call the line, From 'person' at 'date/time"

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Bea - 18 Jun 2006 17:30 GMT
If I knew what this line was called, I could search for it. Anyway, can
Eudora insert a line similar to that when I reply to a message? Thanks.

Bea/NJ
Steve W. Jackson - 18 Jun 2006 18:19 GMT
> If I knew what this line was called, I could search for it. Anyway, can
> Eudora insert a line similar to that when I reply to a message? Thanks.
>
> Bea/NJ

That's called the attribution.  Eudora should already be putting such a
line in your messages when you reply.

I recommend you either get a copy of the X-Eudora-Settings via a blank
email to <mailto:x-eudora-settings@tidbits.com>, or that you subscribe
to the list so that you'll receive an update every time it changes.  Use
<mailto:listmanager@tidbits.com?Body=subscribe%20x-eudora-settings-list>
for subscribing; the message you receive will have instructions for
unsubscribing, etc.

In that list, you'll find all the defined X-Eudora-Settings values, so
you can search for "attribution" and see what your options are.

= Steve =
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Bea - 18 Jun 2006 18:30 GMT
> > If I knew what this line was called, I could search for it. Anyway, can
> > Eudora insert a line similar to that when I reply to a message? Thanks.
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> Steve W. Jackson
> Montgomery, Alabama

Thanks, Steve. I will do one of the above.
Bea - 18 Jun 2006 19:19 GMT
> > If I knew what this line was called, I could search for it. Anyway, can
> > Eudora insert a line similar to that when I reply to a message? Thanks.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> --
> Steve W. Jackson

Steve- Thanks loads for telling me about the X-Eudora settings. I found
what I was looking for and I have to browse the rest of those settings
just to see what one can do. I had heard about those settings but never
knew how to use them before.

Bea/N J
> Montgomery, Alabama
Sander Tekelenburg - 18 Jun 2006 23:22 GMT
[...]

> That's called the attribution.  Eudora should already be putting such a
> line in your messages when you reply.

AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).

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Terje Kleverud - 19 Jun 2006 05:26 GMT
> > That's called the attribution.  Eudora should already be putting such a
> > line in your messages when you reply.
>
> AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).

Or if you select- and copy a block of text from an older mail and paste
it "as quotation" in a new message (Cmd-Opt+V).

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Steve W. Jackson - 20 Jun 2006 19:40 GMT
> [...]
>
> > That's called the attribution.  Eudora should already be putting such a
> > line in your messages when you reply.
>
> AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).

I don't think that's the case.  I rarely ever use Reply to All.  But
replying to any message always has an attribution line, and I'm almost
positive I've never changed any settings affecting this -- though I have
looked into them in the past.

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Sander Tekelenburg - 21 Jun 2006 04:33 GMT
[...]

  [attribution line]

> > AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).
>
> I don't think that's the case.  I rarely ever use Reply to All.

OK, I'll assume I'm mistaken. Maybe I mixed it up with the paste as
Quotation behaviour someone else pointedout.

> But
> replying to any message always has an attribution line, and I'm almost
> positive I've never changed any settings affecting this -- though I have
> looked into them in the past.

I'm 99.9% sure Eudora doesn't insert an attribution line by default.
(Maybe Kathy.pdf can fill in that last 0.1% ;)) I suport several Eudora
users whose messages never contain an attribution line and who wouldn't
have any clue at all how to disable that. I would most certainly have
never switched it off for them - IMO this function should be on by
default.

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Kathy Morgan - 21 Jun 2006 05:03 GMT
> > [attribution line]
> > AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> positive I've never changed any settings affecting this -- though I have
> looked into them in the past.

I'm pretty Sander and Terje are right, that by default it only supplies
the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
sure it can be changed, though, with the right x-eudora-setting.

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Peter Ceresole - 21 Jun 2006 06:11 GMT
> I'm pretty Sander and Terje are right, that by default it only supplies
> the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
> sure it can be changed, though, with the right x-eudora-setting.

I *think* it's

<x-eudora-setting:8205> # attribution line; from, date, subject, time

or

<x-eudora-setting:7818> Reply to sender attribution

Although I've used it, I simply can't remember which, although I think
maybe it's the second one to switch it on.

The alternative (rather nicer, really) is SuperSleek, or its successor,
which I used in the past.
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Bea - 21 Jun 2006 13:52 GMT
> > I'm pretty Sander and Terje are right, that by default it only supplies
> > the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
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> --
> Peter
Well, I made the change in x-eudora settings and it worked fine.
Now, I wonder when there will be a MAC Intel version of Eudora
(although the current version works fine)

Bea/NJ
Steve W. Jackson - 21 Jun 2006 17:56 GMT
> > I'm pretty Sander and Terje are right, that by default it only supplies
> > the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
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> The alternative (rather nicer, really) is SuperSleek, or its successor,
> which I used in the past.

Quickly checking these two, I think it would be the latter setting,
7818, since the default is an empty string (suggesting no attribution,
to me).

I've had no luck locating a successor to SuperSleek.  Anybody got a
suggestion where I haven't looked?

= Steve =
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Peter Ceresole - 22 Jun 2006 01:02 GMT
> I've had no luck locating a successor to SuperSleek.  Anybody got a
> suggestion where I haven't looked?

There's supposed to be one called Sleek-a-boo, but I haven't been able
to find it this evening..
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Kathy Morgan - 22 Jun 2006 07:18 GMT
> > I've had no luck locating a successor to SuperSleek.  Anybody got a
> > suggestion where I haven't looked?

I found SuperSleek at a couple of locations, but I haven't tried it out
to see if it works in OS X.  See <http://dradul.tripod.com/SuperSleek/>
to download.

> There's supposed to be one called Sleek-a-boo, but I haven't been able
> to find it this evening..

I found a URL that might have it,
<web.green.ch/mfrischknecht/eudora-plugins.html>, but I can't get the
page to load this evening.

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Peter Ceresole - 22 Jun 2006 08:20 GMT
> I found SuperSleek at a couple of locations, but I haven't tried it out
> to see if it works in OS X.  See <http://dradul.tripod.com/SuperSleek/>
> to download.

It certainly did when I tried it with 6.1 in 10.2.8.

But something weird happened; I had a quick check (Cmd-I) on my iG5
running 6.1 in 10.3.9, and I have Sleek-a-Boo installed... I can't
remember downloading it at all, but I did- I still have the .hqx file in
my downloads received folder. I enabled it and it seems to do what it's
supposed to, but I disabled it again because with the X-Eudora settings
I've used in the past, I don't need it.

> > There's supposed to be one called Sleek-a-boo, but I haven't been able
> > to find it this evening..
>
> I found a URL that might have it,
> <web.green.ch/mfrischknecht/eudora-plugins.html>, but I can't get the
> page to load this evening.

None of the Frischknecht download pages seemed to load last night.

Frischknecht? That's the name of the guy who maintains our roof in
Geneva. Must be more common than I thought. Or maybe in the dark winter
evenings our roofer writes Eudora plugins?

If it proves hard to find, and anybody wants it, email me and I can
attach the Sleek-a-Boo .hqx file.
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ReindeR Rustema - 29 Jun 2006 12:22 GMT
> > I'm pretty Sander and Terje are right, that by default it only supplies
> > the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
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>
> <x-eudora-setting:7818> Reply to sender attribution

I would like these settings to use 'language' as a parameter. Is that
possible in some way or another? Replying to English messages should
then give 'Dear from, at date time you wrote:' and replying to Dutch
messages should give 'Beste from op date time schreef je:' and French
messages 'Chèr(e) from, le date à time vous ecriviez:' and so on.

Preferably using the different date and time conventions. Ideally it
should also be possible to choose wether or not to tutoyer (how to
explain this in English?) the recipient in Dutch, French or German while
holding down some keycombo when replying and even taking the gender of
the recipient in account with another keycombo.

I guess this should be handled by a plug-in? A plug-in that does not yet
exist? Or AppleScript?

> The alternative (rather nicer, really) is SuperSleek, or its successor,
> which I used in the past.

It seems Sleek-A-Boo is the successor. No help-file online. I just
downloaded it from

http://web.green.ch/mfrischknecht/eudora-plugins.html

You should add is as a plug-in. It suggests opt-dOD for a carriage
return in the attribution line, which I need after the 'Dear from,'
attribution part, but this does not seem to work. Anyone?

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Peter Ceresole - 29 Jun 2006 23:27 GMT
> It seems Sleek-A-Boo is the successor. No help-file online. I just
> downloaded it from
>
> http://web.green.ch/mfrischknecht/eudora-plugins.html

That still gives me a 404, as it did the other day. I wonder why? The
404 is from www.green.ch, so the address up to there is valid, but
frischknecht and all his works seem to have vanished completely.
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ReindeR Rustema - 30 Jun 2006 00:08 GMT
> > It seems Sleek-A-Boo is the successor. No help-file online. I just
> > downloaded it from
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> 404 is from www.green.ch, so the address up to there is valid, but
> frischknecht and all his works seem to have vanished completely.

I also get a 404 now, but this morning I could download it. Perhaps he
shuts down his webserver when he goes to sleep?

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Peter Ceresole - 30 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT
> I also get a 404 now, but this morning I could download it. Perhaps he
> shuts down his webserver when he goes to sleep?

Well he is Swiss, and they like to keep civilised hours.

But thanks for that; it was a bit worrying. You know how it is...
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Sander Tekelenburg - 30 Jun 2006 16:45 GMT
[...]

> > <x-eudora-setting:7818> Reply to sender attribution
>
> I would like these settings to use 'language' as a parameter. Is that
> possible in some way or another?

I don't see how. It will be extremely hard to correctly discover a
message's language (consider that people often use multiple languages
within the same text, or even just that languages tend to borrow from
each other). Email headers could perhaps contain a X-Language: header,
but without a proper Open Standard that everybody adheres to, it would
still be unreliable.

Isn't there some latin term that is used universally? "Scribus"?

[...]

> Preferably using the different date and time conventions.

IMO it's better to use the universal notation for that, as defined by
ISO 8601. ("YYYY-MM-DD, HH:MM", if I'm not mistaken.)

> [...] to tutoyer (how to explain this in English?)

Good question :)

> the recipient in Dutch, French or German while
> holding down some keycombo when replying and even taking the gender of
> the recipient in account with another keycombo.

How could Eudora possibly know the sender's gender? (Maybe if (s)he's in
the Address Book already, and you store such info there.)

Anyway, I think there are more important things to worry about ;)

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R. Millstein - 30 Jun 2006 17:23 GMT
> > [...] to tutoyer (how to explain this in English?)
>
> Good question :)

Answers.com says, "To address someone familiarly, using the grammatical
form appropriate for a friend or a peer, e.g., in French, using the
pronoun tu."  I think even a person who spoke no French at all could
understand that.  It would be like the word "dude," a word that is
appropriate for your friend but probably not, say, for your professor or
your boss.
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Steve W. Jackson - 21 Jun 2006 17:52 GMT
> > > [attribution line]
> > > AFAIK it by default only does so when you do a Reply to all (Cmd-Opt-r).
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the attribution line when you Reply to All or paste as quotation.  I'm
> sure it can be changed, though, with the right x-eudora-setting.

I have Eudora installed on an iMac that I never use for mail but my wife
does.  I just checked there and confirmed that no attribution is present
by default.  So I obviously used some X-Eudora-Setting or something to
cause it to appear in mine at some point.  Hmm.....

= Steve =
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 18 Jun 2006 18:24 GMT
> If I knew what this line was called, I could search for it.

Attribution.
 
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