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Rifty - 07 Mar 2006 13:29 GMT
My Eudora is set with the continuous line down the left side to signify
quoted material, which is fine, but if I want to copy an email in that
form to a word processor, it fails to carry any indication across as to
what is quoted and what isn't. Is there some way to do that?  I thought
maybe changing the continuous line to a > character might do the trick,
but I can't see anywhere to make than an option.

I need to copy a bunch of emails to one single file, and although I can
do that, I lose that formatting, which makes the file all but useless.
That's what the problem is. The solution is probably staring me in the
face, but no lightbulbs are going on!

Rifty

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James Meiss - 07 Mar 2006 20:59 GMT
> My Eudora is set with the continuous line down the left side to signify
> quoted material, which is fine, but if I want to copy an email in that
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That's what the problem is. The solution is probably staring me in the
> face, but no lightbulbs are going on!

That is strange. I found that if you click on the 'blah-blah' button in
the toolbar at the top of a message window, then the "format-flowed" bar
turns into ">" and then copying and pasting gives you the quoted
material as you wanted.

You can also turn off the format=flowed behavior using
<x-eudora-setting:260> These settings control when Eudora will interpret
or generate format=flowed.  Set to 1 to turn off completely.

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Rifty - 07 Mar 2006 21:45 GMT
> > My Eudora is set with the continuous line down the left side to signify
> > quoted material, which is fine, but if I want to copy an email in that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> turns into ">" and then copying and pasting gives you the quoted
> material as you wanted.

Thanks for your reply. When I turn on that button, it shows me all the
formatting and hidden data, which can be very useful at times but
doesn't simply turn off the bar. Nor does it change the bar to a >. This
may depend upon the formatting used by the sender of the email. Even if
it did, it wouldn't allow me to select a group of emails with the button
on and make them into one file with the formatting as required.
 
> You can also turn off the format=flowed behavior using
> <x-eudora-setting:260> These settings control when Eudora will interpret
> or generate format=flowed.  Set to 1 to turn off completely.

This is probably what I want for this purpose, but when I go to the
Settings area of Eudora I don't see X-Settings. When I used to have
Supersleek, there were easily available. I seem to remember there's some
trick with GetInfo and Plugins on Eudora to reveal them, but I can't
find it there. (Eudora 6.2.3, Paid mode)  OSX.4.5. [Feeling silly...
this shouldn't be this hard!]

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Sander Tekelenburg - 08 Mar 2006 07:14 GMT
[...]

> > > I need to copy a bunch of emails to one single file, and although I can
> > > do that, I lose that formatting [...]
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> formatting and hidden data, which can be very useful at times but
> doesn't simply turn off the bar. Nor does it change the bar to a >.

Sounds like the mail was sent as 'HTML' mail then, not as f=f.

[...]

> when I go to the
> Settings area of Eudora I don't see X-Settings.

Correct. x-eudora-settings are a different mechanism to access the
settings, *all* settings. See
<http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2116hq.html>.

> When I used to have
> Supersleek, there were easily available.

No. While there are several plug-ins, like SuperSleek, that give GUI
access to some extra setting, none (that I'm aware of) give access to
all of them. (Regardless, "x-eudora-settings" refers to a *mechanism* to
access settings, not to specific settings.)

> I seem to remember there's some
> trick with GetInfo and Plugins on Eudora to reveal them

Select the Eudora application file in the Finder, hit Cmd-i, In the
resulting "Eudora Info" window's Plug-ins section turn installed
plug-ins on/off. Eudora shouldn't be running when you do this.

Plug-ins can be installed in a few places:
- /Applications/Eudora\ Application\ Folder/Eudora.app/Contents/PlugIns/
- ~/Documents/Eudora Folder/Eudora Items/Plugins/
- I vaguely recall there's a third one...? Maybe /Applications/Eudora\
Application\ Folder/Eudora.app/Contents/MacOS/Eudora\ Stuff/ But that
would be a legacy thing. Probably shouldn't be used anymore.

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Rifty - 08 Mar 2006 12:04 GMT

> > Thanks for your reply. When I turn on that button, it shows me all the
> > formatting and hidden data, which can be very useful at times but
> > doesn't simply turn off the bar. Nor does it change the bar to a >.
>
> Sounds like the mail was sent as 'HTML' mail then, not as f=f.

Definitely.

> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> all of them. (Regardless, "x-eudora-settings" refers to a *mechanism* to
> access settings, not to specific settings.)

Thanks for clarifying that. It's somewhat arcane to me but I see what
you mean!
 
> > I seem to remember there's some
> > trick with GetInfo and Plugins on Eudora to reveal them
>
> Select the Eudora application file in the Finder, hit Cmd-i, In the
> resulting "Eudora Info" window's Plug-ins section turn installed
> plug-ins on/off. Eudora shouldn't be running when you do this.

Thanks yes - I had checked that out.

The tech support page you provided the URL for is what I was looking
for.  Thanks for that!

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Rifty - 09 Mar 2006 10:14 GMT
> You can also turn off the format=flowed behavior using
> <x-eudora-setting:260> These settings control when Eudora will interpret
> or generate format=flowed.  Set to 1 to turn off completely.

I did that but it seems to make no difference. The bar still remains. I
think I must be missing something basic.

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Peter Ceresole - 09 Mar 2006 10:23 GMT
> I did that but it seems to make no difference. The bar still remains. I
> think I must be missing something basic.

I suspect that those are generated in HTML with a quote tag.
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Julian Y. Koh - 08 Mar 2006 16:50 GMT
In article <1hbuuga.13f5jngbfn4ksN%rifty@tpg.com.au>, rifty@tpg.com.au
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wrote:

> My Eudora is set with the continuous line down the left side to signify
> quoted material, which is fine, but if I want to copy an email in that
> form to a word processor, it fails to carry any indication across as to
> what is quoted and what isn't. Is there some way to do that?

What I use is

<x-eudora-setting:283> When replying to messages, nuke all styles and hard
wrap.  ICK!!!!  Don't do this!!!!

So whenever I reply to anything, all quoted material gets traditionally
quoted with ">" as opposed to the excerpt bar.  Then I can easily copy/paste
that wherever I need.

If you're copying/pasting within Eudora, I copy the styled text, then use
cmd-option-shift-v to paste as a quotation without styles.  

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Rifty - 09 Mar 2006 10:14 GMT
> What I use is
>
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> quoted with ">" as opposed to the excerpt bar.  Then I can easily copy/paste
> that wherever I need.

Sorry - I don't understand the process you're describing. If I go to
x-eudora-setting:283 I get your message above, but it asks for a new
setting. I'm not sure what you do at this point.

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Julian Y. Koh - 09 Mar 2006 15:22 GMT
> If I go to
> x-eudora-setting:283 I get your message above, but it asks for a new
> setting. I'm not sure what you do at this point.

You need to set the value to "y".

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Rifty - 09 Mar 2006 20:54 GMT
> You need to set the value to "y".

Hey, that's it!  Just what I wanted. Thanks.

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Esben - 18 Mar 2006 00:30 GMT
> My Eudora is set with the continuous line down the left side to signify
> quoted material, which is fine, but if I want to copy an email in that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Rifty

What I usually do, is choose "Wrap Selection" (text has to be selected
beforehand) in the Edit menu.

Hope that might help you.

Esben
 
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